Why oh why didn't devs make BA tied to submarines for alliance entries >.<

Seems like that would help a lot

The simplest solution would have been to allow people to queue up for it inside the instance after it becomes available. But the devs love making things terribly convoluted.

Zoning in & out of an instance repeatedly for 3+ hours is VERY dumb! YOOOOOSHIIIIIDAAAAA!

Well, after months of development time creating a new raiding experience with 56 players and unique systems such as logograms and elemental resistances, it only makes sense that they lock 95% of their playerbase out from even seeing it, let alone stand a chance in there... I mean, you don't put all that work into new content just to let people enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Well, after months of development time creating a new raiding experience with 56 players and unique systems such as logograms and elemental resistances, it only makes sense that they lock 95% of their playerbase out from even seeing it, let alone stand a chance in there... I mean, you don't put all that work into new content just to let people enjoy it.

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I mean people asked for a public dungeon and what happens when we get a public dungeon? No one organizes in game to enter it. When people organize out of game, they're suddenly satan. You honestly can't win here. A better queue system would help but you can't cure the stupidity that plagues the masses. And if people complain that they can't get into BA cause eureka is balls, well, it's not like SE didn't announce it would be a thing for a while now. :p

It's not like people don't join discord clear/farm groups with zero exp in BA either. It's like queuing into a 24 man instance where there is no ilvl requirement and a bunch of level 50s in AF armor join sometimes.

I must've missed those since I haven't had a clear run in which multiple people snuck in without experience. Maybe one or two but they usually died early on and didn't become a problem. That does suck tho. I saw some people talking about it and I do agree a tier system would be beneficial working with what we have.

unless they could come up with a system where you queue for an instance within an instance... but dunno if that is even possible.

Just use the BA Discord, geez, you don't even need to talk.

I've already run a lot of BA with ease. Couldn't be more simple imo.

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I mean people asked for a public dungeon and what happens when we get a public dungeon? No one organizes in game to enter it. When people organize out of game, they're suddenly satan. You honestly can't win here. A better queue system would help but you can't cure the stupidity that plagues the masses. And if people complain that they can't get into BA cause eureka is balls, well, it's not like SE didn't announce it would be a thing for a while now. :p

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The issue that I have is we have little control to organize you can have Discords and LS dedicated to it but you have to sift around for hours to get the right people in, at the right time, I don't get why we can't just invite people into Alliances in BA it makes no sense whatsoever. And even now the Discord servers are getting more ridiculous as they want proof of kill/achievements as well as the whole fight typed out in its entirety, there's issues with this too, someone could easily just get a rando screenshot from a friend or someone and copy paste how to do the fight from a guide.

There's so many issues with BA and just getting your friends or the people you play with instead of randoms but this is what we got I hope that the next Eureka actually lets us invite our own Alliance raids or even parties to 8 people there's no excuse it makes XIV feel archaic as hell.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The simplest solution would have been to allow people to queue up for it inside the instance after it becomes available. But the devs love making things terribly convoluted.

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Yes.

The very simplest basic solution would have been to make this its own 56-man instance that people can queue with solo or with their friends in premades. A very loose summary basic example of the flow (in three steps) might have been this:

• Step 1 - Get to 60 and finish the initial story line with Krile
• Step 2 - Fighting other FATES in Hydatos then gives additional key items or even temp items that can be used for assisting in the fights against AV, Ozma, Raiden etc. This gives players an incentive to continue participating in FATES
• Step 3 - Fight Ovni, achieve gold rating and receive the main key item which grants you ability to queue up for the instance rather than use portals. This helps eliminates the trolls who snipe the portals.

Rinse repeat steps two and three to gradually obtain more fragments, cloths, or obtaining your minion / mount drops to your heart's content. Real simple.

As Einstein once said... "The definition of genius is taking the complex and making it simple."

Once again, all the problems with BA comes down to NA trying to force it in a way it was not intended to work.


No submarines, because the entire point of the content is supposed to be open world public dungeon for people inside a eureka instance. you are supposed to organize after you go into the dungeon area. Basically do the same thing, but a few leaders/orgamizers wait till they get people in the dungeon, and then start telling them to go to discord, and use macros explaining mechanics in text.



People have done this is this game and other games.


Basically the entire problem with NA BA is that people try to force it to be a premade queue activity, when none of the design is meant to do that, and in fact a lot of the design is meant to make that harder to achieve.


also, not every BA run will be a full clear in normal play. its fully expected that in general there will be partial clears, which give fragments, which upgrades your armor/weapon and makes it more likely you will succed in the future.




But that ship has sailed, in the future, trying to do something similar, maybe they can make a portion of the maps events encourage forming groups, and by the time you get to the final dungeon/instance/whatever, the groups that were formed to open it, are the ones most likely going inside. Or, maybe they make it so 8 man groups can get decent progress alone so more people just enter with their groups.


Whatever the case, its currently not working well for NA, at being a public dunegeon any participant can attempt like the rest of eureka

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It only makes sense that they lock 95% of their playerbase out from even seeing it.

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Well, if you believe the census figures from a few weeks ago, just being at the end of Eureka has already locked 94.2% of people out from ever seeing it...

I would have probably just made it a 5th instance that required finishing the Eureka story to access instead of tying it to Hydatos and requiring a Hydatos NM to be killed to not die to AV.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I would have probably just made it a 5th instance that required finishing the Eureka story to access instead of tying it to Hydatos and requiring a Hydatos NM to be killed to not die to AV.

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I actually expected it to be a trial fight against Eureka's Arsenal that would be the final bit of the story to jump your weapon from 400 to 405

It is really cool content but unfortunately it doesn't fit with western culture which will happen from time to time since it is primarily a Japanese game developer making a game for a japanese audience. Don't think they're up for overhauling party finder to work for how western players want to do it either so join your data center's discord and just put in the time. They constantly form groups of all progress levels and lots of people who cleared always come to help so it's as painless as it can be
If you plan on sniping portals when you see an organized group hoping to get carried through you better know what your doing and be prepared, they won't actively sabotage you back but they won't risk sacrificing a healer on you either