Imo, there should be no limit on Alphascape Crystalloids or Genesis tomstones! At the very least, increase the maximum limit, especially for the crystalloids! One a week is absurd.
I'm here to prepare for the next expansion, there are a ton of jobs classes to work with, hence there is no reason for these meager weekly limits.
Please do away with weekly limits on raid items.
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02-23-2019, 05:35 AMCulexPlease do away with weekly limits on raid items.
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02-23-2019, 05:36 AMKuroka
Yeah atm its pointless, why wait till like 3 weeks before the addon? >_>
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02-23-2019, 05:37 AMHyoMinPark
In a couple months, they’re going to unlock Savage so that the fights always drop 2 coffers, so they will probably unlock the Crystalloids at that time as well. I believe they did the same thing at the end of HW with Creator Savage/NM. So, just gonna have to be patient until then. There’s plenty of time to get gear for 5.0. It’s not coming out until the end of June.
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02-23-2019, 06:26 AMJonnycbad
They will likely unlock savage in a few weeks with 4.57's release.
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02-23-2019, 07:36 AMDrWho2010
4.56 should drop after JP fanfest - end of March. that's when they'll unlock savage, remove crystalloid weekly lockout and prob raise genesis cap to 900.
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02-23-2019, 07:46 AMwhiskeybravo
Wait.. I thought NM was farmable now? Or is there still a weekly limit on the crystalloids in particular?
Either way, OP, as other said it will all be unlocked before xpac, I'd personally guess in the next March update but idk for sure -
02-23-2019, 10:02 AMSeraph522Yes, NM is farmable aside from crystalloids at this point; they're still on a weekly lockout. Only other locked content is Savage and Orbonne at the moment, and as you said, they'll probably unlock in 3.56.Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskeybravo
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02-23-2019, 11:46 AMBlanchimont
I hate weekly lockouts as a whole in MMOs. It makes it feel like there's a lot less to do and it has become the main reason why I don't consistently play any MMO.
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02-24-2019, 01:41 AMDrWho2010weekly lockouts save people from themselves and burning through content. if there were no lockouts everything would be done immediately by the hardcore people right away and then they would never come back until next patch. then the game would just be filled with the filthy casual who can't do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchimont
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02-24-2019, 02:42 AMKDSilver
Just wait a bit, next patch will unlock these.
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02-26-2019, 01:12 PMBlanchimontWeekly lockouts do not stop people from burning through content. People frequently burn through all four Savage contents raids on the day of release and that has not changed because of weekly limits. Raid groups tend to go through all the bosses in less than two hours a week. It ensures that half the content can only be run once a week, making it so that there is less to do overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
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02-26-2019, 04:25 PMvan_arnI'd almost buy that if almost everything didn't have some sort of lockout weekly on it. If someone wants to spend all of their time in Savage, let them. Same with other lockouts. You want to do 10 WT books a day? Whatever floats your boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
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02-26-2019, 04:49 PMRufalus
There is still a lot of weeks until the expansion so they won't want people to collect all of the loot in the game already. There's hardly any new content left to fill the time between now and late June, just some story quests, side quests, seasonal content and xv collaboration left to come. Some time before xpac they typically double tome cap from 450 to 900 and fully unlock raids, that's it.
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02-26-2019, 04:51 PMKurandoYou have several months before the expac is even released, and then when the weekly limits are lifted (some said in March), again you have plenty of time to gear up. There is no reason to rush to get gear for anything and I doubt you'd be using every single job as soon as the expac drops, focus on the select few you want to use then come back to others a bit later, you seem to be panicking over potentially nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Culex
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02-27-2019, 02:45 AMDrWho2010how many people get thru all 4 savages day of release? johnny casual sure isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchimont
how many raid groups get thru stuff near release in less than two hours a week? team derp sure isn't. lol -
02-27-2019, 02:46 AMDrWho2010That's not how you maintain an MMO business model though. sounds like a "You" problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by van_arn
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02-27-2019, 05:07 AMKurokaQuote:
Originally Posted by van_arn
This. We pay for this game let us have fun. nothing is won from ppl logging 2 hours a week to cap and then do other stuff >_>
At least let give us lockouts for DPS/Heals/Tanks each. -
02-27-2019, 10:59 AMBlanchimontIf you want to argue about Johnny casual, Johnny casual never plays Savage at all meaning the weekly limit isn't something that's going to even affect them. In fact, removing caps altogether would help them even more since they don't have to try to login every week to make sure they hit their caps.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
Heck, you could even make it so that Savage drops are like the other raids rather than clear based. They could also join different raid groups rather than be stuck with one. You would even be better off letting them set their own pace so it is okay if they don't hit the cap one week. There are so many ways to make it better than the way it is now.
There are many raid groups who get through all four Savage raids within the first week and the amount of time it takes them will only get shorter with each week that passes due to having progressively better gear. Eventually, they reach a point in which two hours is more than enough to clear all of them. -
02-28-2019, 03:06 AMDrWho2010and those are the people that just go off to play other games and just raid log. I'm not sorry to see those people not stick around. you just want to be selfish and have all the loots right away.Quote:
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the point is - if people get stuff faster - they leave faster. they think they're done and just might not come back at all. pretty certain that's not what the devs want. -
02-28-2019, 03:48 AMKuroka
But its pointless to FORCE em to come "every day" instead of taking healthy breaks.... let them leave and let us gear up on the pace we want and not burn out cause on one week we cap our tome 7x and the next to week we dont even do it once >_>
At least, let us accumulate the weekly caps till the even patch hits, so you dont miss out. And for gods sake, give us different means to upgrade the right side, i just cant force myself to do stuff for it the 43574537th time as it feels so useless... -
02-28-2019, 04:06 AMDrWho2010sounds like you need a break. no one is forcing you to do anything. *shrug* can't have one way of doing things for some people and another way for others. it should be consistent and the same for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroka
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03-03-2019, 10:33 AMBlanchimontYou are completely missing the point. The problem is that Savage is one time clear each week. This is different from having all the items. Unlike other content, Savage raids can only be done once a week regardless of if you got an item or not. This means there is no replay value like say the 24 man raid. At least in the 24 man raid you play it until you get an item drop for the week. If you at least let people run Savage until they get an item they want rather than just one successful run per week, it automatically extends the length of the content greatly. Once you get good at the raid, that Savage content is literally worth only about ten minutes of content and all other gear you can acquire will have lower item levels. The result is that there is very little end game content for people to actually do since nothing else can provide matching gear levels or even cosmetics (this is another issue for making older content relevant, but that's for another day). Considering the large item pool and your party only getting two drops, the likelihood of getting a usable item is very low for your group. If you can allow people to re-run it, then you suddenly give a reason for people to do the content more than once or even help other people do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
The current system actually forces you to login consistently for about two months at the beginning of a raid cycle in order to gear up a single class with no way to gear up all your classes. It requires a consistent subscription in order for players to remain in end game content rather than allowing players to jump in during the middle of it. The daily/weekly reset system guarantees that people are more likely to burn out more often because it becomes part of a regular schedule that makes people feel like they have to cap each week instead of progressing at their own pace. This creates an overall higher rate of burnout than a game where you are allowed to make your own progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
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03-03-2019, 11:23 AMAvenger
You kind of put your finger on it. The primary purpose of lockouts is to keep people subscribed longer.
Secondary purposes may include slowing down progression so that people who can’t play a lot at the beginning of a patch cycle don’t get left as far behind those who can. -
03-03-2019, 12:19 PMKyraFennell
I'm sure people would have resquested that many times and still you won't see it changing. Very sad since most of the players that are done with leveling all jobs have nothing else to do.
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03-03-2019, 02:17 PMDrWho2010
yup lockouts keep people around longer. as a dev you want that. didn't get the drop you wanted from final omega this week? too bad so sad. try again next week. i've been doing final omega for weeks now and an aiming body has yet to drop. I'm not spending my books on it though.
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03-04-2019, 03:02 AMKhalitharThis sums it up nicely, it keeps people playing longer and stops them from gearing up in a week and then unsubbing because they don't want to play anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
Also, it's not like they don't lift the loot lockout *eventually* right? Even if it does happen pretty close to the end of the tier. -
03-04-2019, 03:12 AMKurokaQuote:
Originally Posted by Blanchimont
Just this, it has literally nothing to do with me burning out - gettin frustrated over 150+ ex primal runs and still ahving to wait months to buy it it, or from doing an Omega part like 12x a week jsut to maybe get the loot i need, bc i need smt specific and cant just say f#### it ill get it tomorrow...
Besides im not intending to lose my fc or house lol
and its literally that, at first you cant get tome for life, now i dunno what to buy as stats either suck or i dont need that piece as i wont upgrade it and might as well stick to the 390...
Just as i said several times, at least let us acumulate the weekly stuff so we can catch up if we dont do it one week or two, let us get tome for 3-4 different jobs... and for the love of god dont let us rerun all old raids for upgrades... stick to one coin of the current and let us use 2-3 from the older part to upgrade as well, so you can run them IF you want and dont have to do the same over and over... -
03-04-2019, 03:45 AMGemina
Whether you like it or not, the purpose of weekly lockout is to slow down your progression because they cannot create new content fast enough. Just like a bakery that limits customers to one cinnamon roll in the morning, but you can have all you want towards the end of the day. They wouldn't have to do it if players paced themselves, but they don't. They eat up new content liking starving jackals. So long as this remains weekly lockout will continue, so I'd get used to it if you're not already.