5.0 Rings

You don't have to do this retroactively SE, but for 5.0 could you separate the tome rings into Left and Right Rings. Edit: Or remove the Unique modifier as others in the thread have suggested.

It bugs me to no end that I have to run around with a un-upgraded ring on one finger.

If they were to actually do this, I would much prefer that they just remove the "Unique" identifier allowing you to have any number of the item, rather than making two separate items.

With that said, I don't actually care if they bother doing it.

But there's more than one source of rings in the game. If your concern is really about whether or not you have an un-upgraded ring on then get a second ring from elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

But there's more than one source of rings in the game.

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I don't like the other sources of rings. Also I want them to match.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

But there's more than one source of rings in the game.

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I'm still waiting for SB's version of proto-ultimate gear for the ring. Hopefully it will appear in part 2 of 4.5.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

But there's more than one source of rings in the game. If your concern is really about whether or not you have an un-upgraded ring on then get a second ring from elsewhere.

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Currently the other "sources" is savage raid. Full stop.

I think the addition of Proto Ultima to Dun Scaith last expansion was the best way to help people who aren't doing savage to get a full set of fully upgraded gear, and would be in favor of that being a regular inclusion to the 24-man raids going forward. Not only does it give casual players the ability to hit that nice, even number on their gear item level, but it also let players who care really refine their stats by offering three options for each accessory slot.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Currently the other "sources" is savage raid. Full stop.

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Clearly you forgot crafting exists.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Clearly you forgot crafting exists.

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You can craft ilvl 400?

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Originally Posted by linay

You can craft ilvl 400?

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OP didn't ask for any specific ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

OP didn't ask for any specific ilvl.

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Sorry, I meant the max ilvl of w/e the current patch is. I tend to just get all tome gear and then upgrade it when the 24 man raids come out.

It does irk me honestly that you can get a full set of gear from a raid tier or a set of tome gear etc except for one ring, but it's not really a big deal to me. It just makes me feel slightly ocdish I guess? Something that irks me slightly but isn't really a problem.

As far as making rings match visually, if your armor set even has them visible without hiding your gloves just glam one of them. If you mean it not matchign the other pieces on your character screen nothing you can do about that.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

It does irk me honestly that you can get a full set of gear from a raid tier or a set of tome gear etc except for one ring, but it's not really a big deal to me. It just makes me feel slightly ocdish I guess? Something that irks me slightly but isn't really a problem.

As far as making rings match visually, if your armor set even has them visible without hiding your gloves just glam one of them. If you mean it not matchign the other pieces on your character screen nothing you can do about that.

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I did mean the character sheet screen. I think it's time they allow us to have two of the same tome ring on. Either breaking them into left and right or removing the unique thing someone mentioned. It wouldn't affect anything except being a QoL change.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

It does irk me honestly that you can get a full set of gear from a raid tier or a set of tome gear etc except for one ring, but it's not really a big deal to me. It just makes me feel slightly ocdish I guess? Something that irks me slightly but isn't really a problem.

As far as making rings match visually, if your armor set even has them visible without hiding your gloves just glam one of them. If you mean it not matchign the other pieces on your character screen nothing you can do about that.

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You can't get two rings from the raid, those are also unique. That's why most BIS have one tomestone ring and one raid ring if they're not using crafted gear.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Clearly you forgot crafting exists.

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"one un-upgraded ring" implied the original poster wanted to get two ilv 400 rings. Crafted is 380 or 390 if you upgrade it (at which point you can't over-meld it)

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Originally Posted by wereotter

"one un-upgraded ring" implied the original poster wanted to get two ilv 400 rings. Crafted is 380 or 390 if you upgrade it (at which point you can't over-meld it)

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No he said he didn't want an un-upgraded ring. He made no mention of ilvl until later posts. The 390 crafted ring is upgraded. I mentioned other sources of gear before he clarified exactly what he wanted in the other ring slot.

I don't care about the rings matching. I glamour over my rings too assuming I'm not using some kind of full fingered gloves. But it does bug me having one ring of the same type being 10 ilvs below the other. Just making them untradeable will serve their purpose. They don't have to make them unique, unless there is something I'm not understanding about why they are designed that way.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I don't care about the rings matching. I glamour over my rings too assuming I'm not using some kind of full fingered gloves. But it does bug me having one ring of the same type being 10 ilvs below the other. Just making them untradeable will serve their purpose. They don't have to make them unique, unless there is something I'm not understanding about why they are designed that way.

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I don't know. I mean I get it in WoW with trinkets because they can have some crazy effects sometimes, and in WoW there's usually multiple options of rings from the same source. (Be that mythic dungeons, a raid tier etc) so I guess it's not as big of an issue in WoW. I really don't get what the issue is with rings in FFXIV. They have no special effects like trinkiets where you would want to be sure to make them unique as a limiter or something. It just feels weird to have a full set of gear from somewehere cover everything...except for one ring slot. It's not a big deal just a little weird.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I don't know. I mean I get it in WoW with trinkets because they can have some crazy effects sometimes, and in WoW there's usually multiple options of rings from the same source. (Be that mythic dungeons, a raid tier etc) so I guess it's not as big of an issue in WoW. I really don't get what the issue is with rings in FFXIV. They have no special effects like trinkiets where you would want to be sure to make them unique as a limiter or something. It just feels weird to have a full set of gear from somewehere cover everything...except for one ring slot. It's not a big deal just a little weird.

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It could simply be a case of SE wanting the exact same amount of items per different type of gear slot in each tier. I don't think it would be unbalanced to remove the unique tag from tome rings though.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

It could simply be a case of SE wanting the exact same amount of items per different type of gear slot in each tier. I don't think it would be unbalanced to remove the unique tag from tome rings though.

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Maybe because the unique tag is not tied to item type but rarity ? Is there a non unique rare/relic item in the game ?
If it is tied to rarity that would be problematic to change.
It could also be a way to push people to do other types of content.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I don't care about the rings matching. I glamour over my rings too assuming I'm not using some kind of full fingered gloves. But it does bug me having one ring of the same type being 10 ilvs below the other. Just making them untradeable will serve their purpose. They don't have to make them unique, unless there is something I'm not understanding about why they are designed that way.

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My guess would be that they want to set caps on how much of a sub stat players can actually get (though this is just speculation)

If the rings were made to be not unique, then you could run into situations where you could get a job that gets just enough extra substat to break into another tier, making it much more powerful than they intended it to be in raid scenarios. For example, the Omega ring this expansion isn't great for monks compared to the tomestone ring. If a monk could get an additional 150 points of critical hit from stacking two ilv 400 tomestone rings, it might give the monk more critical hit than was intended for the job to obtain at max gear level this expansion (I haven't done the math to prove or disprove this specific case, just using it as an example)

Additionally, items might be tagged as unique to help idiot proof the tomestone gear system. If you can't buy another item you already own, then you're less likely to make a mistake when purchasing gear. This is less applicable when it comes to half your gear being upgraded, it it is possibly something they considered in making the items unique.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

My guess would be that they want to set caps on how much of a sub stat players can actually get (though this is just speculation)

If the rings were made to be not unique, then you could run into situations where you could get a job that gets just enough extra substat to break into another tier, making it much more powerful than they intended it to be in raid scenarios. For example, the Omega ring this expansion isn't great for monks compared to the tomestone ring. If a monk could get an additional 150 points of critical hit from stacking two ilv 400 tomestone rings, it might give the monk more critical hit than was intended for the job to obtain at max gear level this expansion (I haven't done the math to prove or disprove this specific case, just using it as an example)

Additionally, items might be tagged as unique to help idiot proof the tomestone gear system. If you can't buy another item you already own, then you're less likely to make a mistake when purchasing gear. This is less applicable when it comes to half your gear being upgraded, it it is possibly something they considered in making the items unique.

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That sounds like they would need to split them into Left and Right rings and give them different stats if what you say is actually the case. Which very well could be. It could also be as someone said SE trying to get people into other content... But I don't feel like one ring is going to make people do Savage raiding that are not already doing it for the weapon / armor / gear.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

That sounds like they would need to split them into Left and Right rings and give them different stats if what you say is actually the case. Which very well could be. It could also be as someone said SE trying to get people into other content... But I don't feel like one ring is going to make people do Savage raiding that are not already doing it for the weapon / armor / gear.

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Splitting them up into left ring and right ring, though, is a pretty player unfriendly move to make for those who do savage raiding as that would mean your savage rings would also need to be flagged as left and right, giving more variance to what rings you need to get and making gear progression even harder for not much actual benefit.

I still think giving the third option in the 24-man raid is the best solution to item level, and while that doesn't solve your character screen complaint, I would venture to say this annoyance is something that doesn't bother the majority of players.

I too am not a fan of the second ring slot, honestly I’d be all for removing it entirely but I’m sure there are people who go that deep into glamour that they do their rings too who would object.

There really needs to be more sources of rings. Right now the only way to get 380+ is omega normal (which is practically impossible since everyone and their grandmother is lotting bolts), crafting but screw that, tomes which are capped so not really viable, or savage, which is also capped and seems like quite the jump in skill for most just to get a second ring. Then if you’re going for max ilvl your options plummet to tomes or savage, no alternatives.

I wish they’d put 380-390 accessories in eureka, or had the primals/four lords drop a ring as well as a weapon like ramuh did. It would just be nice to have more options for a slot that has a duplicate slot.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Splitting them up into left ring and right ring, though, is a pretty player unfriendly move to make for those who do savage raiding as that would mean your savage rings would also need to be flagged as left and right, giving more variance to what rings you need to get and making gear progression even harder for not much actual benefit.

I still think giving the third option in the 24-man raid is the best solution to item level, and while that doesn't solve your character screen complaint, I would venture to say this annoyance is something that doesn't bother the majority of players.

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Not really. You could leave Savage as a One Ring scenario that isn't left or right. If it has better stats than one of the tome rings then you only need to get one tome ring. Tho I guess if I want two of the same ring Savage raiders might want two of the Savage ring so maybe all rings should be Left and Right lol.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I too am not a fan of the second ring slot, honestly I’d be all for removing it entirely but I’m sure there are people who go that deep into glamour that they do their rings too who would object.

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I have my right-hand ring glamoured as the House Fortemps signet ring on everything. :D

More generally though, the glamour dresser does make it a lot more practical to glamour jewellery consistently, so it's likely that some people do glamour specific rings.



It's unlikely that they would split rings into Left and Right, because they would actually needed to be coded separately (and duplicated if you want to wear the same ring on both hands). It would be the same kind of issue that prevents us from glamouring mages' wands over staffs - they're classified as different item types. If rings were split, you couldn't just have two identical rings any more, you'd need two unique items coded for the correct hand.

It would almost certainly cause more issues than it solves.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I have my right-hand ring glamoured as the House Fortemps signet ring on everything. :D

More generally though, the glamour dresser does make it a lot more practical to glamour jewellery consistently, so it's likely that some people do glamour specific rings.



It's unlikely that they would split rings into Left and Right, because they would actually needed to be coded separately (and duplicated if you want to wear the same ring on both hands). It would be the same kind of issue that prevents us from glamouring mages' wands over staffs - they're classified as different item types. If rings were split, you couldn't just have two identical rings any more, you'd need two unique items coded for the correct hand.

It would almost certainly cause more issues than it solves.

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That makes sense... and sounds horrible for never getting to use 2 tome rings ><

Why don't you just learn O9S then? It's the easiest current fight by a wide margin.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Why don't you just learn O9S then? It's the easiest current fight by a wide margin.

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Because I don't want to Savage.

I'd prefer if they combined the two rings into one item and either dropped that extra slot or put something else. Maybe an on use trinket or a cape or something.

Two rings just leads to equipment bloat.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Because I don't want to Savage.

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Then you don't want 2 rings at ilvl 400. Simple as that.

If you're not doing any content that warrants getting better gear... why does it bother you SO much to have an unupgraded ring? Do you really think you need to be in top shape to do dungeons? or hunts? or 24-mans? All of that content is a joke and can be perfectly done with gear from the previous tier. And what about all the content they keep adding that has ilvl syncs or stats independant of gear like the deep dungeons, Eureka or pvp?

The only "issue" is in your mind. And if a ring bothers you that much I don't know why having other pieces of gear with high ilvl but the wrong stats doesn't bother you nearly as much.

Glamor the same ring on both rings
Now they match

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Then you don't want 2 rings at ilvl 400. Simple as that.

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And why should someone be forced into Savage for a ring anymore than people being forced into Eureka for their Relic weapon?

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Originally Posted by Sicno

If you're not doing any content that warrants getting better gear... why does it bother you SO much to have an unupgraded ring? Do you really think you need to be in top shape to do dungeons? or hunts? or 24-mans? All of that content is a joke and can be perfectly done with gear from the previous tier. And what about all the content they keep adding that has ilvl syncs or stats independant of gear like the deep dungeons, Eureka or pvp?

The only "issue" is in your mind. And if a ring bothers you that much I don't know why having other pieces of gear with high ilvl but the wrong stats doesn't bother you nearly as much.

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I couldn't tell you why it bothers me. Just does. Just one of those things like when you meet someone and instantly dislike them. Call it OCD or w/e you want.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I couldn't tell you why it bothers me. Just does. Just one of those things like when you meet someone and instantly dislike them. Call it OCD or w/e you want.

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Then it doesn't sound like a game problem but a "you" problem.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

Then it doesn't sound like a game problem but a "you" problem.

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It probably is. But it would also be a nice QoL change for people that only get tome gear.

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Originally Posted by Tharne

Maybe because the unique tag is not tied to item type but rarity ? Is there a non unique rare/relic item in the game ?
If it is tied to rarity that would be problematic to change.
It could also be a way to push people to do other types of content.

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There are. The i90 waists and the i200 waists, both former tomestone gear, are not unique anymore. This is because they are part of the AF set rewarded by job quest and the unique status prevented some people to open the chest they were in.

I think the best option would be a dunscaith equivalent. People already get upgrade items in the 24 man so no reason not to give access to another 400 ring. Or as someone mentioned put rings in some ex primals like they have done in the past. I don't see any reason to keep the only second max ilvl ring in savage during catch up patches. Do people actually need it if they are not doing hard content? No, but to be fair they don't need tome upgrade items period in that case, but they still put them in the 24 mans.

I would just want to see a second ring section in the armory inventory.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Why don't you just learn O9S then? It's the easiest current fight by a wide margin.

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Savage isn't for everyone lol. But I don't see any reason for not adding a max ilvl ring with each alliance raid like Proto Ultima. Same way that casual players can get max ilvl tome gear from upgrades that are initially savage drops only.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

If you're not doing any content that warrants getting better gear... why does it bother you SO much to have an unupgraded ring? Do you really think you need to be in top shape to do dungeons? or hunts? or 24-mans? All of that content is a joke and can be perfectly done with gear from the previous tier. And what about all the content they keep adding that has ilvl syncs or stats independant of gear like the deep dungeons, Eureka or pvp?

The only "issue" is in your mind. And if a ring bothers you that much I don't know why having other pieces of gear with high ilvl but the wrong stats doesn't bother you nearly as much.

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You don't have to be in tip-top shape to do savage either. You only need to be at the ilv requirement to go in there, so what exactly is your point? Whatever reasoning you can place behind wanting the higher ilv for savage can be applied to the rest of the content in the game as well. If all comes down to having an easier time getting a clear; well why on earth wouldn't you want that in all the other content as well? That's not to mention wanting the BiS gear so we are 'sharpened' in a sense for the upcoming expansion.

A lot of us have acknowledged that the problem is in our heads. You're not exactly enlightening anyone, especially those with the issue. We know that those 10 ilvs hardly even make a difference. Whether it's an ocd thing or whatever, it's just bothersome. Think of it like a stain that no one notices but you, I guess.

We don't need to have two ring slots in the first place tbh. It's an arbitrary number considering there are 10 fingers. Why not make the ring appear on both hands or one hand depending on the design, just like the other accessories?