Server of Freedom

People were asking for rp server, so why not freedom of speech?

I mean, a server where we could freely speak about parse, have some constructive critic without getting insult, or with the new TOS, get ban.

Just an idea,tell me the pro and cons.

Oh yeah, a server that advertises free speech and open talk about subjects that tend to get people reported in casual environments. What could possibly go wrong?

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The idea makes me uneasy. How much freedom are we talking about, here? Would it specifically be limited to parsing, or is that the beginning of the spectrum? What if other servers on the same Data Center- wouldn't they be at a disadvantage, as they had no choice in partying with this supposed Freedom server? I get the feeling it would turn into chaos, especially if new players join the server without previous knowledge of its policies.

I also think that there are certain things that SE is forced to watch, like potential death threats or illegal activities. If things like that become widespread, it would be very bad for the company's image.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Oh yeah, a server that advertises free speech and open talk about subjects that tend to get people reported in casual environments. What could possibly go wrong?

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They mean a world were you can not be report over things you say unless its extreme case like a threat

Which i support

TOS is something you have to agree to play the game, so you can't really ask for a place where you wouldn't fear TOS breach and punishment.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

They mean a world were you can not be report over things you say unless its extreme case like a threat

Which i support

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Define these things then. Other than parsing, what else would you need that falls under this 'free speech' umbrella? This goes to you and the OP.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Define these things then. Other than parsing, what else would you need that falls under this 'free speech' umbrella? This goes to you and the OP.

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As in everything goes you can sware, joke about anything have your free view points without snitchs or adult topics without a worry. Simple 2 understand

The only things that would be bannable on it would be
Rmt, the dc thing the purposely trolling fights and threats

Everything else goes and if a person dislikes they can blacklist

But i wouldn't call it freedom server id call it ntfs server were only 18 year olds are older can get in

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

As in everything goes you can sware, joke about anything have your free view points without snitchs or adult topics without a worry. Simple 2 understand

The only things that would be bannable on it would be
Rmt, the dc thing the purposely trolling fights and threats

Everything else goes and if a person dislikes they can blacklist

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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of why a 'server of freedom' is a bad idea. Make a discord server if that's what you want - no need to make an entirely new game server that is, for all intents and purposes, free from the ToS, or at the very least, less likely to draw red flags. You already can swear - you just can't go around dropping f-bombs and cursing at everyone most/all the time. I have never once been the subject of a report, nor have anybody that I know in-game for swearing, having appropriate adult conversations (clearly, you haven't seen how AFKers in Anemos spent their times during initial release).

While I think that the ToS is overreaching and pushing towards a 'protect feelings' mentally, this right here is just another overblown reaction to something that probably won't affect players that don't act like raging jackasses in game.

(Fun fact: the things you are talking about already happen on multiple novice networks, and the ToS didn't curb much of anything, so yeah...pointless).

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of why a 'server of freedom' is a bad idea. Make a discord server if that's what you want - no need to make an entirely new game server that is, for all intents and purposes, free from the ToS, or at the very least, less likely to draw red flags. You already can swear - you just can't go around dropping f-bombs and cursing at everyone most/all the time. I have never once been the subject of a report, nor have anybody that I know in-game for swearing, having appropriate adult conversations (clearly, you haven't seen how AFKers in Anemos spent their times during initial release).

While I think that the ToS is overreaching and pushing towards a 'protect feelings' mentally, this right here is just another overblown reaction to something that probably won't affect players that don't act like raging jackasses in game.

(Fun fact: the things you are talking about already happen on multiple novice networks, and the ToS didn't curb much of anything, so yeah...pointless).

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Acturally doing a server like this is a good idea they could add more adult mode into game settings like gore mode damn i want see blood guts every were ... along with smoking etc

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Originally Posted by Gleipni

People were asking for rp server, so why not freedom of speech?

I mean, a server where we could freely speak about parse, have some constructive critic without getting insult, or with the new TOS, get ban.

Just an idea,tell me the pro and cons.

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What is your idea of a server of 'freedom'? Like, if it's just about the things in this post, it's really not much different from what we already have, minus the parser talk, which is a necessary evil for the time being. Like, what else did you have in mind?

I'd be with profanity.

If I had to make a broad statement. I'm guessing the end-goal of the OP is a free-speech server that meant you could talk about anything that wasn't strictly under the authority of the government. So no threats/slander/libel stuff. But probably green light anything else. Basically anything that's already legal to say. Just keep it within the nations laws.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Acturally doing a server like this is a good idea they could add more adult mode into game settings like gore mode damn i want see blood guts every were ... along with smoking etc

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That’s not how a content rating system works. If that content is anywhere in the game, the whole game gets the higher rating (which the writers are being very careful to avoid as it is). The servers don’t get to set special exemptions for themselves.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Acturally doing a server like this is a good idea they could add more adult mode into game settings like gore mode damn i want see blood guts every were ... along with smoking etc

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They can't.
This game is rated for 16 on most of the world in some exceptions even for 12.
Also rating a game includes all actual content in the game.
Adding an optional "gore mode" would most likely take the rating to 18 or 21 depending on the country and rating system and would exclude a big part of the possible consumers.

If you can't see how this would be a bad idea, let me introduce you to the biker bar analogy.

Let's say you own a bar. Business is good, you get a variety of customers, but they're all pretty average people who are just there to drink and chill. Then, one day, a gang of bikers shows up to your bar, and starts getting rowdy and unpleasant. They pay for their drinks just like everyone else, but eventually, their presence starts annoying the regular patrons, and over time, more of them stop showing up. You essentially have two choices as the bar owner, now: You either kick out the biker gang and resume business as usual, or you accept that you run a biker bar, because those are the only people who go there now.

If you open a server (or really, any space on the internet as history has shown) where the big draw is "You can say whatever you want without being punished!", then you're eventually going to see that place devolve into only having the worst, most insufferable kind of people that aren't welcome anywhere else. Such a server would get incredibly toxic, and if you let it fester, you'd quickly start to see people from that server become a real nuisance in any cross-server content.

And this right HERE is an example of people freaking out WAY too much over changes that since they been made have done NOTHING to the over all game or life. Can we PLEASE stop acting like the SJWs people are so scared of? Yeah I said it. " OMG we're all doom and Eggman's gonna turn us into robots that sonic will spin dash into the moon. MY LIFE" All jokes aside this is an over reaction that's not needed. Seriously. Just play the game as you were and you'll be fine. Unless you were already toxic to begin with, then maybe the issue isn't with the rules and maybe the issue is with YOU.

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Originally Posted by Gleipni

People were asking for rp server, so why not freedom of speech?

I mean, a server where we could freely speak about parse, have some constructive critic without getting insult, or with the new TOS, get ban.

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join a discord.

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Originally Posted by Gleipni

People were asking for rp server, so why not freedom of speech?

I mean, a server where we could freely speak about parse, have some constructive critic without getting insult, or with the new TOS, get ban.

Just an idea,tell me the pro and cons.

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I really like this idea actually.
It means we can lump all the most toxic players all on one server and not have to deal with them anymore.
I say do it.
On a side note i have nothing against free speech or parsing but when you're going out of your way to flame players over dps numbers and recorded parses you are taking the game way way too seriously especially when most the content can be completed with below average dps.
If people had kept parsing abuse to just savage and not casual content like non savage raids,ex trials,24 man roulettes etc SE might have been more inclined to be more lenient towards parse talk.

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Originally Posted by briarth0rn

If you open a server (or really, any space on the internet as history has shown) where the big draw is "You can say whatever you want without being punished!", then you're eventually going to see that place devolve into only having the worst, most insufferable kind of people that aren't welcome anywhere else.

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Then, every player banned for harassent gets thrown there without the option to change server. And you put that server on its own datacenter so that it can't participate in any cross activities. Basically, this would create the first MMO penitentiary.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Then, every player banned for harassent gets thrown there without the option to change server. And you put that server on its own datacenter so that it can't participate in any cross activities. Basically, this would create the first MMO penitentiary.

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I don't play them so I'm not sure, but don't some MOBAs already do this? I've heard people that drop from matches or get reported for toxicity in certain games get put into their own queues with other players like that.

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Originally Posted by briarth0rn

I don't play them so I'm not sure, but don't some MOBAs already do this?

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No idea, I never tried any MOBA.

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Originally Posted by Gleipni

People were asking for rp server, so why not freedom of speech?

I mean, a server where we could freely speak about parse, have some constructive critic without getting insult, or with the new TOS, get ban.

Just an idea,tell me the pro and cons.

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We had this. What we have now, just shows that too many players in this game are incapable of handling this freedom responsibly. SE didn't just add the new restrictions willy-nilly. They added them, because actual player actions displayed their necessity.

That said, take these new "restrictions" with a grain of salt. I don't anticipate any changes in the number of bans and punishments. GMs will continue to act as they always have acted. The new text in the TOS is just for covering their butts, and giving belligerent players less room to whine when they're called out on their BS.

I'm tickled by the concept of a "toxic player penitentiary", I must admit!

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

We had this. What we have now, just shows that too many players in this game are incapable of handling this freedom responsibly. SE didn't just add the new restrictions willy-nilly. They added them, because actual player actions displayed their necessity.

That said, take these new "restrictions" with a grain of salt. I don't anticipate any changes in the number of bans and punishments. GMs will continue to act as they always have acted. The new text in the TOS is just for covering their butts, and giving belligerent players less room to whine when they're called out on their BS.

I'm tickled by the concept of a "toxic player penitentiary", I must admit!

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If anything i think the community has taken it less serious than before.That seems to be the case from what ive seen.Since the update there has been non stop trolling and joking in chat like 'reported for insert random joke'

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Then, every player banned for harassent gets thrown there without the option to change server. And you put that server on its own datacenter so that it can't participate in any cross activities. Basically, this would create the first MMO penitentiary.

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if i remember correctly the Xbox did this with some games but the environment they went to just got worse and worse and after a while players who were thrown in there for minor things were basically flung into a very 'toxic' environment with the way the world is now and how people act shoving the worst types of people to there own server would only create an echo chamber of there ideas rather then have them learn that what they did is wrong,

to reply to the op, you have a freedom of speech in the game anyway, you agreed not to bring up specific subjects when you play the game (or in game), the things banned from you saying besides the common sense things (such as screaming at people with insults) are just small things that don't tend to really come up in conversation, (i saw someone saying swearing, swearing has a profanity filter in this game, so you can swear just not work around the filter or be excessive,)

if those subjects are what you truly want to talk about then i say make a discord or Skype group, its free to do so. because if you can't say it on those then you shouldn't say it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Gleipni

People were asking for rp server, so why not freedom of speech?

I mean, a server where we could freely speak about parse, have some constructive critic without getting insult, or with the new TOS, get ban.

Just an idea,tell me the pro and cons.

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Whatcha talking about? Every server is a freedom of speech server. The government plays zero role in the rules and regs of this private platform.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Then, every player banned for harassent gets thrown there without the option to change server. And you put that server on its own datacenter so that it can't participate in any cross activities. Basically, this would create the first MMO penitentiary.

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Fun Fact - EverQuest 2 has had something like this in play for years now. Drunder server. Instead of perma banning an account, they were "Drundered" and all of their toons were moved there, and all future toons as well. No rules - you could openly bot, swear, hack, etc, whatever you wanted. But - there was zero GM assistance of any kind. You could continue to play and give them money, but if you ever had something go wrong -- too bad. That includes a stuck character. Stuck in an infinite loop and can't move? Too bad. Someone scammed you? Too bad. Someone threatened IRL bodily harm? Too bad. Someone found a way to hack the broker and stole your items? Too bad. 100% on your own permanently.

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Originally Posted by Gleipni

People were asking for rp server, so why not freedom of speech?

I mean, a server where we could freely speak about parse, have some constructive critic without getting insult, or with the new TOS, get ban.

Just an idea,tell me the pro and cons.

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So you're literally asking for a server where people can't get in trouble no matter what they say? This makes me wonder what awful things you have to say if you feel the need for a server like that.

Also the lack of insults would be the responsibility of the players, not SE. It's not as if SE force players to insult one another.

I really don't want to think about a server dedicated wholly to indulging the online disinhibition effect.

Why would any game company operating an MMO open a massive can of worms like that? They wouldn't benefit from it in the slightest.

Idk i hear some profanity and homophobic talk from time to time on my server. Whether these people get banned, i do not know

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Originally Posted by Maero

Idk i hear some profanity and homophobic talk from time to time on my server. Whether these people get banned, i do not know

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Dpeends on whether they get reported. I would imagine if it's a first report, they get a basic warning unless extreme language was used. Bans generally are for repeat violators.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Oh yeah, a server that advertises free speech and open talk about subjects that tend to get people reported in casual environments. What could possibly go wrong?

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Id approve of this server just to visit and see how mad max the chat would be in Limsa Lominsa.

No. "Freedom of speech" does not equate to "Freedom from consequences". It's actually quite shocking and sad that your average person hollering about "hur dur what happened to free speech?" doesn't even know what it entails. Let's also remember that we are on SE's servers (private property if you will) and they easily can show anyone the door.

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

No. "Freedom of speech" does not equate to "Freedom from consequences". It's actually quite shocking and sad that your average person hollering about "hur dur what happened to free speech?" doesn't even know what it entails. Let's also remember that we are on SE's servers (private property if you will) and they easily can show anyone the door.

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Regardless freedom of speech does not apply to any online game (or even online service) because you are abiding by terms of service, not constitutaional law. Those providing the service have the right to exclude you for any reason and literally create any rules they like.

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

No. "Freedom of speech" does not equate to "Freedom from consequences"...

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Just for hte sake of discussion, saying "Freedom of Speech doesnt mean you haev freedom from consequences" is a meaningless statement. Everything you do has a 'consequence'. Freedom to turn on the light in your room has the consequence that your room will be lit up and youll be using electricity. Its a meaningless statement to say when discussing freedom of speech and is often used as a dismissal tactic rather than address the core of the point - namely being able to speak your mind and having people self determine what to do rather than having a system crack down on your expression.

So this would be a person saying "Hur Dur The moon is made of cheese" and people on an individual level deciding that they dont have to listen to you (so they block you), dont care (take no action), or engage with you to discuss the statement. What people dont want is when someoen says "Hur Dur the moon is made of cheese" for another person to say "I should not even have to bother hearing that blasphemy. GMs punish this heathen!" which results in said person being silenced/banned.

There is more distinction and nuance but thats the over/under. But yeah saying "no freedom of consequences" is moot. Everyone knows theres going to be some kind of consequence. Its just a matter of what that is and who it infringes on.

Now back to whatever were talking about again.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Then, every player banned for harassent gets thrown there without the option to change server. And you put that server on its own datacenter so that it can't participate in any cross activities. Basically, this would create the first MMO penitentiary.

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So kinda like how people who keep causing mayhem in GTA all get lumped together?
(My brother was one of these, and he stopped playing the game because he didn't like everyone else there XD).

Where I am from, crude language is often used in everyday conversation, so I can see how a freedom server can have some appeal.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Regardless freedom of speech does not apply to any online game (or even online service) because you are abiding by terms of service, not constitutaional law. Those providing the service have the right to exclude you for any reason and literally create any rules they like.

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If thats the case se owes us all our money back and make the game free 2 play

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

If thats the case se owes us all our money back and make the game free 2 play

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It doesn't really work like that. We agreed to those terms and conditions when we first ticked the box and started to play. They legally don't have to do anything.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

It doesn't really work like that. We agreed to those terms and conditions when we first ticked the box and started to play. They legally don't have to do anything.

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Actually we could win the argument that we didn't easily with a signature they got nothing lol