So what is a Hrothgar?

Seems there is a glitch in the French localization that exposes all race names, including Viera and 'Hrothgar':

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ts_a_hrothgar/

Discussion has already started around here. At least somewhere in thar Thread. Let's not scatter the topic too much.

Lion dudes. I am so ready for it. That's just cool.

As I RP as a mix'd Miqo'te (both clans), I would love a beefier female Hroathgar. I could RP as being a stronger specimen of cat. Or a Meracydian Miqo'te even.

And yeah let's please scatter the topic so it's not buried in a thread with a name that has no relation to it and so other people can you know find this conversation.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

Discussion has already started around here. At least somewhere in thar Thread. Let's not scatter the topic too much.

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I personally think it's better this way.
It's a different topic than what was started as a means to speculate about bunny bois not showing up.

Anyway, lion people.

You go up there to learn your Thu'um!

It's happening, the crossover we've all been waiting for! Skyrim is coming to the Gold Saucer!

I'll have my fingers crossed that if they do exist that they'll have an extremely monstrous appearance. I know that there will have to be sacrifices, especially along the feet and hand area; however, if they're willing to redo a lot of head gear just for Viera due to their ears they can put effort in Hrothgar's faces.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I personally think it's better this way.
It's a different topic than what was started as a means to speculate about bunny bois not showing up.

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Agreed. The other thread is 90% an echo chamber for male viera bunny boi enthusiast so I don't see the harm in making a separate thread in this situation.

Hopefully there will be female Hrothgar too

Definitely can see them just high lander miqote

Be cool to see them as bestial preferably with both gender options
The lion mask is gonna be so much weider than viera with the rabbit ear head piece

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Originally Posted by Cidel

Agreed. The other thread is 90% an echo chamber for male viera bunny boi enthusiast so I don't see the harm in making a separate thread in this situation.

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No it's not. Players have hated gender locked races consistently for years and in far more than just this game. It's not about wanting bunny bois, it's about having the same racial choices presented to you regardless of the gender of your character. I don't plan on ever playing a male viera but I 100% support having them in the game because I don't want other players to be deprived of this choice.

I think it's hasty to call Hrothgar a lion race, especially when the lion race is only a rumor, the name was without much context besides being paired with a mention of Viera, and the name additionally comes from Beowulf as that of the king in the early parts of the story. So until we have more context, which I'm fine with waiting to JP fanfest or the expansion, let's not jump the gun and say it's the new race.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

No it's not. Players have hated gender locked races consistently for years and in far more than just this game. It's not about wanting bunny bois, it's about having the same racial choices presented to you regardless of the gender of your character. I don't plan on ever playing a male viera but I 100% support having them in the game because I don't want other players to be deprived of this choice.

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This is a Hrothgar thread, please keep the meta about the gender-lock thread in the gender lock thread.


Anyways. I have this my image in my head of muscles somewhere between M Au Ra and Roegadyn. Bulky but not a brick house.

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Originally Posted by Skeith9

This is a Hrothgar thread, please keep the meta about the gender-lock thread in the gender lock thread.


Anyways. I have this my image in my head of muscles somewhere between M Au Ra and Roegadyn. Bulky but not a brick house.

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Hrothgar are possible to fall under the same gender lock issue so its clearly welcomed here

I don't know how I feel about this. If it's an entirely separate race with males and females then good if it's ends up that they are male only and viera are female only I feel cheated. I've been wanting male viera in game for years. So if I don't get my bunny bois then hopefully I end up liking this other race buf if not then I'll only have DNC to look forward to. Don't disappoint me Square :cry:

Like to add that a part of me is also thinking that maybe it was a mistake and the Hrothgar are the name of one of the dwarven clans.

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Originally Posted by Skeith9

This is a Hrothgar thread, please keep the meta about the gender-lock thread in the gender lock thread.


Anyways. I have this my image in my head of muscles somewhere between M Au Ra and Roegadyn. Bulky but not a brick house.

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Lol, you do realise it's highly likely this race will be gender locked if viera is? Right?

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

You go up there to learn your Thu'um!

It's happening, the crossover we've all been waiting for! Skyrim is coming to the Gold Saucer!

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It'll be great if it was a Dragonborn race from D&D and we're getting the more draconic AuRa from the concept art.

Highly likely that hrothgar are lion people since leaks plus mention of a mane
But there is a species of Wolf,Rabbit,monkey,horse and a jellyfish with manes

I know we have lupin but it be cool to have another type of wolf people and its not too farfetched since Amaljia are like lizards and Au ra have some reptilian features

Some lion references that have been noted by other posters in the forums and the Gender Lock Thread are:

-The Lion Creature from the trailer that Thancred fights (in an outfit reminiscent of Seifer from FF8?)
-The fact that Kuribu is derived from a sphinx like creature in ancient mythology (that SE turned into the Angel Goddess)
-Squall's "Lionheart" gunblade
-Griever, a summon/GF associated with Squall is a lion
-Hrothgar is the name of a king from northern Europe, which people have been associating with the Ronso due to the fact they live in similar cold climates

Please let neither of these races be gender locked...

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Originally Posted by Penthea

No it's not.

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Yes, it is. I've poked my head into that thread several times and based on comments throughout (not all, but a lot), it's central focus has consistently been about male viera. Anything remotely "pro-male viera" in there gets showered with 'likes.' Let discussion about a different race have a chance here.

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Players have hated gender locked races consistently for years and in far more than just this game. It's not about wanting bunny bois, it's about having the same racial choices presented to you regardless of the gender of your character. I don't plan on ever playing a male viera but I 100% support having them in the game because I don't want other players to be deprived of this choice.

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If that was the case, people shouldn't have made such a big case for viera as a playable race when they're literally represented throughout the series they appear in as practically "all female," regardless of what their lore writes just to enforce that males exist for reproduction and what-not. The issue I see is that people want to interpret viera lore in a way that agrees with what they want to see and suits their narrative. If the devs decide to not give male viera for their own reasons, then that's fine with me- let them preserve their stance on what they want their viera to be in the franchise. If they do give viera male, then whatever, the pandering continues. I'm curious to see what this Hrothgar is, give it a chance, and see how original it is for XIV. If they're making viera all-female and this new Hrothgar all-male, I am fine with that since it's not as if the gender ratio has been made lopsided.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

Yes, it is. I've poked my head into that thread several times and based on comments throughout (not all, but a lot), it's central focus has consistently been about male viera.

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Have you not considered that the focus is like this because it is a new race? People always bring up the gender locked races in 1.0 and FFXI and how badly they were received when talking about viera. I am astonished you managed to miss the multitude of the posts with these comments. If you think the gender locking conversation is only due to some weird fixation on bunny men then I have to assume you haven't been paying as much attention as you claim.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

If that was the case, people shouldn't have made such a big case for viera as a playable race when they're literally represented throughout the series they appear in as practically "all female,"

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And yet in lore male miqo'te are rarely seen but among the playerbase they're extremely popular. Never mind how in 1.0 that race gender combo was unplayable. So if players can play the once unplayable "rare" male miqo'te, then why can't they also play the rare male viera? Why the double-standard?

You're also forgetting that SE own all the FF lore so they can change it any way they please. And they certainly have done so many times already. A lot of what they borrowed from other FF games isn't used in the exact same way in FFXIV. If SE don't introduce male viera it would be because they don't want to. Not because they cannot.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

If they're making viera all-female and this new Hrothgar all-male, I am fine with that since it's not as if the gender ratio has been made lopsided.

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The issue is
Male race big strong and beastly
Female race petite and pretty
Bit generic some would say sexist and somewhat unfair to those who would want beastly females or there bishonin males

And obviously male viera is gonna be the main source of that thread since they only showed females
And of course there will be alot of likes on male viera post
Alot do want them

Hrothgar sounds like a placeholder development name. It doesn't "feel" like it belongs with the other races, especially since it carries real world connotations with it.
Though because of that I wonder if they're based on Scandinavian history, with braided hair and vikings and all that jazz.

A lion with braided hair does sound familiar though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140809034323[/img]

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Originally Posted by Corue

A lion with braided hair does sound familiar though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140809034323[/img]

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Don't get me wrong I think ronso are really cool. I always wished that SE explored their lore more in the FFX games. However they are essentially cat people and we already have that. I don't fancy the idea of having the cute cats and the bad ass cats. I'd rather we get a race based on a different animal so that all the races can stand on their own.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Don't get me wrong I think ronso are really cool. I always wished that SE explored their lore more in the FFX games. However they are essentially cat people and we already have that. I don't fancy the idea of having the cute cats and the bad ass cats. I'd rather we get a race based on a different animal so that all the races can stand on their own.

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To be honest, since so many players liked Lupin perhaps the Hrothgar will borrow traits from both wolves and lions? Perhaps they will be like Miquote in that they can select between a more canine and feline subrace? I don't think that in FFXIV they'll come with horns directly protruding from their foreheads though, since that would render some horns for Summoner and the PVP one for Bard unwearable.

Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't the devs state at one time that the racial choices for our character would always be Human-like, particularly when it came to the face? And the reason for this was that the conflict between the Races of Man and the Beast Tribes is a major plot point in the game? That Miqo'te, Au Ra and Viera show how far they would go in giving us a player race with bestial features? Wouldn't that leave the Ronso out?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Have you not considered that the focus is like this because it is a new race? People always bring up the gender locked races in 1.0 and FFXI and how badly they were received when talking about viera.

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Don't recall them being "badly received," if anything, the fact that one of the main NPCs was a female Roegadyn when there was only males available being a talking point. People just requested for the opposite genders of the spiritual successors of XI since they were remaking the game anyway.

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If you think the gender locking conversation is only due to some weird fixation on bunny men then I have to assume you haven't been paying as much attention as you claim.

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It's as plain as day that the really vocal people in that thread want male viera and if you think that's not an underlying motive to push for "unlocking" possible genderlocked races you're being willfully obtuse.

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And yet in lore male miqo'te are rarely seen but among the playerbase they're extremely popular.Never mind how in 1.0 that race gender combo was unplayable. So if players can play the once unplayable "rare" male miqo'te, then why can't they also play the rare male viera? Why the double-standard?

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The simplest reason is because viera are not a creation of XIV. They are immigrated from another different story, game, whatever- where females are the primary representatives of that setting and males have not played any part in it. Not to say that they can't simply write-them in with some weak Deus ex Machina that comes out of nowehere, but I admit I'd respect the devs more if they adhered to the source game they borrowed them from.

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You're also forgetting that SE own all the FF lore so they can change it any way they please. And they certainly have done so many times already. A lot of what they borrowed from other FF games isn't used in the exact same way in FFXIV.

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The issue I see here is they've not done something on the level of immigrating a specific, iconic race in one particular setting into XIV and decided to practically retcon a defining characteristic about them (females being the highly visible ones) until now. This is different from "what are the classic summons in this game? Let's reuse this monster/boss from this FF game here that has practically 0 impact on anything." Or "Let's name this inconsequential type of item something recognizable from a previous series."

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If SE don't introduce male viera it would be because they don't want to. Not because they cannot.

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Agreed. And I'd respect that decision based on the circumstances surrounding viera. Clearly some people just want them bad enough for that not to matter.

In any case, I'm done arguing anything else about viera-anything here. Just need to wait for the next fanfest to see what the devs ultimately decided to do.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

The issue is
Male race big strong and beastly
Female race petite and pretty

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So, par for the course because that's Au ra in a nutshell? And if the content model is anything to go by, they don't like "mixing it up and trying anything new" which I thought a lot of people were fine with? /s http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...s/rolleyes.png

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Originally Posted by Cidel

So, par for the course because that's Au ra in a nutshell?

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This exact issue was brought up with them, continues to be mentioned regarding them, and is often brought up in regard to gender dimorphism among races in other games that it applies to.

It's not new here.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Don't get me wrong I think ronso are really cool. I always wished that SE explored their lore more in the FFX games. However they are essentially cat people and we already have that. I don't fancy the idea of having the cute cats and the bad ass cats. I'd rather we get a race based on a different animal so that all the races can stand on their own.

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I will concede that I am a little, well, disappointed if the devs are double-downing on yet another feline race for XIV. Whatever their reasoning would end up being, I'd like to hear it.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

So, par for the course because that's Au ra in a nutshell? And if the content model is anything to go by, they don't like "mixing it up and trying anything new" which I thought a lot of people were fine with? /s http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...s/rolleyes.png

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Despite the size difference au ra they are still the same race
Males are not beastly in the slightest
Female and male horns tails and scales are similar
They are not two completely different looking beings like a rabbit and a lion that share no relation.

And male au ra are pretty excuse you.

I believe this is no different then how many healers feel about there gear being stuck with robes
Its a trope that needs to end like gender locking races

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Originally Posted by Corue

Hrothgar sounds like a placeholder development name. It doesn't "feel" like it belongs with the other races, especially since it carries real world connotations with it.
Though because of that I wonder if they're based on Scandinavian history, with braided hair and vikings and all that jazz.

A lion with braided hair does sound familiar though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140809034323[/img]

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Also wouldn't surprise me if thats what the dwarves call themselves
"Hrothgar the dwarven people"
Fantasy dwarfs are basically vikings left in the dryer too long

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Originally Posted by Cidel

Don't recall them being "badly received," if anything, the fact that one of the main NPCs was a female Roegadyn when there was only males available being a talking point. People just requested for the opposite genders of the spiritual successors of XI since they were remaking the game anyway.

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Man I didn't even play FFXI and I heard about the gender locking being badly received before I played FFXIV. I really wonder how you managed to avoid seeing criticisms about it.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

It's as plain as day that the really vocal people in that thread want male viera and if you think that's not an underlying motive to push for "unlocking" possible genderlocked races you're being willfully obtuse.

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I'm being obtuse? SE released male viera concept art for HW. At one point they were planning to put them as a playable race and gender combo in the game. Now that you know this, do you still think it is obtuse to ask for the male viera now that female viera have been announced? Currently the playerbase feels it is getting only half of what they have been waiting years for.

https://cdn.stevivor.com/wp-content/...male-viera.jpg

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Originally Posted by Cidel

The simplest reason is because viera are not a creation of XIV. They are immigrated from another different story, game, whatever- where females are the primary representatives of that setting and males have not played any part in it. Not to say that they can't simply write-them in with some weak Deus ex Machina that comes out of nowehere, but I admit I'd respect the devs more if they adhered to the source game they borrowed them from.

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And yet the image I linked above shows that SE had intended to make male viera playable. It is definitely not outside the realms of possibility. Not just because SE own all the lore and they can do what they want with it, but also because there is proof that they wanted players to be able to be male viera.

By the way miqo'te and roegadyn are pretty much immigrated from FFXI. In 1.0 they had the exact same gender locking as their FFXI counterparts. Even the elezen and lalafells are just newer versions of the elvaan and tarutaru. Tataru's name is most likely a nod to the tarutaru race.

So now that you know this as well, have you now lost respect for the devs because they removed lore-based gender locking during the life cycle of FFXIV with races heavily inspired by FFXI's gender locked races?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Don't get me wrong I think ronso are really cool. I always wished that SE explored their lore more in the FFX games. However they are essentially cat people and we already have that. I don't fancy the idea of having the cute cats and the bad ass cats. I'd rather we get a race based on a different animal so that all the races can stand on their own.

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I agree there could be something more "unique" but at the same time I'd totally switch my race to Ronso if that was a thing and I've been the same race .. and look since FFXIV beta (technically the beta was on another account but w.e I've never changed me looks).

Also strictly imo, Ronso > Miqote. :p

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

To be honest, since so many players liked Lupin perhaps the Hrothgar will borrow traits from both wolves and lions? Perhaps they will be like Miquote in that they can select between a more canine and feline subrace? I don't think that in FFXIV they'll come with horns directly protruding from their foreheads though, since that would render some horns for Summoner and the PVP one for Bard unwearable.

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Yeah I'm doubting the horn as well but I'd take it if it was there, I like it lol.

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Originally Posted by Karl0217

Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't the devs state at one time that the racial choices for our character would always be Human-like, particularly when it came to the face? And the reason for this was that the conflict between the Races of Man and the Beast Tribes is a major plot point in the game? That Miqo'te, Au Ra and Viera show how far they would go in giving us a player race with bestial features? Wouldn't that leave the Ronso out?

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In the other thread we thought that it might being a bit like Pantera/Lupis from BLESS:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.enjin...on-Pantera.png

Which would give it a bit of a Miqote vibe, but imo the above > miqote as well so .. eh lol. Not trying to knock people who like miqote but I've never had a desire to be them, but I would be the Pantera or Ronso.

There's an awful lot of non-Hrothgar talk in this thread that is ostensibly about Hrothgar. Maybe take it back to the other thread that is specifically about gender locking?

Back to the actual topic - I'm getting serious Dwarven vibes from that name...or Viking-esque bigger races (on account of the name coming from Old Norse and being a Danish King that appears in the Beowulf and Widsith epics, as well as other Norse sagas), but we basically have that to a degree with Roegadyn as it is...at least the big strong race part of it.

Either that or a red herring name provided to obfuscate the actual race name. Honestly, Hrothgar strongly suggests an individual or a place-name to me and not really the name of an entire race, unless it's meant to be indicative of a culture that is reminiscent of the culture represented by the Danes in Beowulf...even then it feels like it would be an odd choice for a name of a race based on said culture.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Man I didn't even play FFXI and I heard about the gender locking being badly received before I played FFXIV. I really wonder how you managed to avoid seeing criticisms about it.

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Easy, I actually played the game and didn't see people constantly complaining about being unable to be a male Mithra. Maybe because I frequented actual gameplay discussion boards and not outlets centered around frivolous griping, which was not as mainstream back then, I guess.

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By the way miqo'te and roegadyn are pretty much immigrated from FFXI. In 1.0 they had the exact same gender locking as their FFXI counterparts. Even the elezen and lalafells are just newer versions of the elvaan and tarutaru. Tataru's name is most likely a nod to the tarutaru race.

So now that you know this as well, have you now lost respect for the devs because they removed lore-based gender locking during the life cycle of FFXIV with races heavily inspired by FFXI's gender locked races?

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I've always known; this isn't news. And the whole initial draw of XIV's starting races was playing on the racial familiarity of the previous ones from XI, right down to the initial gender lock of the Mithra and Galka. It's as clear as day that they're spiritual successors/homages to XI right from the get go- and they are both the online games of the Final Fantasy numbered franchise. So... A rather fairly moot point.

Someone PLEASE make as much art of female Hrothgar and male Viera as possible so we can post them on the forums and show the devs that WE DO NOT WANT GENDER LOCKED RACES.

Since I've been posting a lot of male Viera on the other thread, have what will hopefully be a future playable female Hrothgar that someone else has drawn:
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/funs/imgs/c/0/c03f7d88.jpg

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Either that or a red herring name provided to obfuscate the actual race name. Hrothgar strongly suggests an individual or a place-name and not really the name of an entire race, unless it's meant to be indicative of a culture that is reminiscent of the culture represented by the Danes in Beowulf...even then it feels like it would be an odd choice for a name of a race based on said culture.

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One thing to keep in mind, I think, is that the Ronso is the race name yes? Ronso is also all their lasts names. Khimari Ronso, Kelk Ronso, etc, etc.

So you might say ... Hrothgar is a name, why would it be a race name? Well Ronso clearly did just that :p.

Also happens that Hrothgar besides being a bit of a cold name also references a dude really good with spears, a main weapon for Kimahri. Could be coincident though.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Someone PLEASE make as much art of female Hrothgar and male Viera as possible so we can post them on the forums and show the devs that WE DO NOT WANT GENDER LOCKED RACES.

Since I've been posting a lot of male Viera on the other thread, have what will hopefully be a future playable female Hrothgar that someone else has drawn:
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/funs/imgs/c/0/c03f7d88.jpg

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That picture is beautiful mate.... I may even switch my gender at that point lol.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

There's an awful lot of non-Hrothgar talk in this thread that is ostensibly about Hrothgar. Maybe take it back to the other thread that is specifically about gender locking?

Back to the actual topic - I'm getting serious Dwarven vibes from that name...or Viking-esque bigger races (on account of the name coming from Old Norse and being a Danish King that appears in the Beowulf and Widsith epics, as well as other Norse sagas), but we basically have that to a degree with Roegadyn as it is...at least the big strong race part of it.

Either that or a red herring name provided to obfuscate the actual race name. Honestly, Hrothgar strongly suggests an individual or a place-name to me and not really the name of an entire race, unless it's meant to be indicative of a culture that is reminiscent of the culture represented by the Danes in Beowulf...even then it feels like it would be an odd choice for a name of a race based on said culture.

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Dwarves in Final Fantasy are more associated with lava/volcanoes than snowy mountains if the other games in the series are any indication. Maybe that ruined castle in the artwork for Shadowbringers was their old kingdom maybe? The dwarves of FF9 did live on a mountain in a desert like area, but it was anything but cold there.

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Originally Posted by Corue

Hrothgar sounds like a placeholder development name. It doesn't "feel" like it belongs with the other races, especially since it carries real world connotations with it.
Though because of that I wonder if they're based on Scandinavian history, with braided hair and vikings and all that jazz.

A lion with braided hair does sound familiar though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140809034323[/img]

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In the Danish version of the myth, his name is Roe instead. That bridge was crossed a while ago.

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Originally Posted by Corue

Hrothgar sounds like a placeholder development name. It doesn't "feel" like it belongs with the other races, especially since it carries real world connotations with it.

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On a curious note regarding that reference, I did notice this line in the section on the name origin:

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The form Hrōðgār is thought to have derived from the proto-Norse *Hrōþigaizaz[3] "famous spear", i.e. Roger.

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...which at the time just sent me thinking how odd name variants can be - "Roger" doesn't remotely conjure up the fierce Viking image that "Hrothgar" does.

But then my mind was drifting somewhere around that thought and it occurred to me: what's the one fictional character I know named Roger? - which is, as coincidence might have it, one that brings us right back to male rabbits.


The separate listing to Viera and other descriptive quote make it unlikely to be deliberate, but it's still rather curious.

Iam really curious! Cant wait to see what happens next fanfest!