Dwarf Beast Race Concerns [Dev Request]

Im happy to hear that dwarves are a beast tribe, as well as the Nu Mou, and Pixies. I feel like new fae inspired content is wonderful, and that the Nu Mou will inspire my childhood of playing FF Tactics.

I just have one concern about the dwarves. That language might become offensive to people with real world equivalent dwarfism.

Please be creative as you want, and be sure to make lots of fun puns, but as a person with a rare form of dwarfism in the real world, I ask that you refrain from the word "midget", mentions of "dwarf tossing", or any other offensive language. There just arent enough people in our community to be loud enough for our concerns.

I hope that the return of the FF dwarves is fun, and imaginative. I hope you express your hearts to its content. I just dont want very offensive, or stereotypical things in the game. I hope that we can all be mature, and understanding about this.

All I want is the game to not remind me of the bullying, or awful things I went through in life. I dont want that for anyone. This game is beautiful, and so much fun to play.

Wait what? Really? They're going to be a "beast tribe?"

Welp. 5.0 just keeps piling on the disappointments.

Given that they didn't give into those tropes with Lalafell I don't see why they would with any of the new beast races.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Given that they didn't give into those tropes with Lalafell I don't see why they would with any of the new beast races.

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I don't recall the things OP is worried about happening with the dwarves in FFIX. They were a little odd with their endearing and unique culture to be sure, but I don't think there was anything that could have vaguely been offensive to real people with any form of dwarfism. There were funny moments interacting with them but it had to do with their traditional customs.

And yea lalafells' stature is VERY rarely mentioned, directly or indirectly, in the game. Npcs take them as seriously as the taller races. I think their size is only referenced where it makes sense, such as a quest that referred to an opening a hyur child or a lalafell could fit in.

OP I don't think you have anything to worry about :)

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Wait what? Really? They're going to be a "beast tribe?"

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Yup, they're listed under 'new beast tribes' on the Shadowbringers promotional website, so it's now pretty guaranteed they'll be officially shown at the Tokyo Fanfest next month.

I hope that they will at least say some variation of "Rally-Ho!"/"Lalli-ho!" though, and this music theme will show up somewhere. (It was one of my favourite tracks in FFIV ;)).

So who will be their primal? King Giott or Luca from FFIV?

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

So who will be their primal? King Giott or Luca from FFIV?

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how about Rubicante

OP i don't think they would do anything that would be offensive

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Im happy to hear that dwarves are a beast tribe, as well as the Nu Mou, and Pixies. I feel like new fae inspired content is wonderful, and that the Nu Mou will inspire my childhood of playing FF Tactics.

I just have one concern about the dwarves. That language might become offensive to people with real world equivalent dwarfism.

Please be creative as you want, and be sure to make lots of fun puns, but as a person with a rare form of dwarfism in the real world, I ask that you refrain from the word "midget", mentions of "dwarf tossing", or any other offensive language. There just arent enough people in our community to be loud enough for our concerns.

I hope that the return of the FF dwarves is fun, and imaginative. I hope you express your hearts to its content. I just dont want very offensive, or stereotypical things in the game. I hope that we can all be mature, and understanding about this.

All I want is the game to not remind me of the bullying, or awful things I went through in life. I dont want that for anyone. This game is beautiful, and so much fun to play.

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We already make those jokes with Lalafells, so your hopes are in vain. Besides, FF Dwarves have never been like real-world dwarves (nor have any fantasy dwarves really) besides being shorter than humans (though usually not as short as actual dwarves).

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Originally Posted by Penthea

And yea lalafells' stature is VERY rarely mentioned, directly or indirectly, in the game. Npcs take them as seriously as the taller races. I think their size is only referenced where it makes sense, such as a quest that referred to an opening a hyur child or a lalafell could fit in.

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They're just eaten by everything and the community likes calling them popotoes...but props to the game treating them with the respect most average adults take for granted.

That said, Final Fantasy dwarves tend to look more like goblins than the traditional Tolkien depiction, so other than their connection to the earth (in most cases) and their shortened stature, I think the biggest danger is just going to be Koji's propensity for memes in the localization...which we can always shout at him for on the forums :D He does not have a history of writing offensive jokes, unless you're offended by puns.

btw I'm betting the dwarves will probably be taller than lalafells.

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

So who will be their primal? King Giott or Luca from FFIV?

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Dwarves might be the 'crafter/gatherer' race, so might not have one.

It's the NuMou I'd be concerned about as their TA Totema was Ultima...

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

There just arent enough people in our community to be loud enough for our concerns.

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So what you're saying is that it's a small community?

How would dwarfs be offensive but even if they could be thats not a new thing i mean you got 2 tribes of au ra that are pretty much sexist and its fine lol

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Originally Posted by AmemeAmeklin

They're just eaten by everything and the community likes calling them popotoes...but props to the game treating them with the respect most average adults take for granted.

That said, Final Fantasy dwarves tend to look more like goblins than the traditional Tolkien depiction, so other than their connection to the earth (in most cases) and their shortened stature, I think the biggest danger is just going to be Koji's propensity for memes in the localization...which we can always shout at him for on the forums :D He does not have a history of writing offensive jokes, unless you're offended by puns.

btw I'm betting the dwarves will probably be taller than lalafells.

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I have no issue with most lalafell jokes. Just the ones that take it too far beyond humor.

I really appreciate everyone's maturity on this, and want to thank everyone for being kinder. I feel like I have actually been heard today, and to be honest I expected the worst on these forums.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I have no issue with most lalafell jokes. Just the ones that take it too far beyond humor.

I really appreciate everyone's maturity on this, and want to thank everyone for being kinder. I feel like I have actually been heard today, and to be honest I expected the worst on these forums.

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I think you expressed yourself well on this! :) For what it's worth, my sense is that SE is going to be pretty good also about visually differentiating dwarves in the fantasy sense from people with dwarfism.

If I remember correctly, the Dwarven race's use in the Final Fantasy Franchise has usually been either that of great racial pride and their propensity for gem and metal work. They are usually great builders. I don't remember ever seeing any kind of derogatory language used against them unless it was by/from Elves (since they tend to not like each other in some games ... thank you Tolkien). I don't think you will have anything to worry about, if there is any kind of language used I feel it would be used by them for them in more of a teasing manner and not as a way to be malicious.

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

If I remember correctly, the Dwarven race's use in the Final Fantasy Franchise has usually been either that of great racial pride and their propensity for gem and metal work. They are usually great builders. I don't remember ever seeing any kind of derogatory language used against them unless it was by/from Elves (since they tend to not like each other in some games ... thank you Tolkien). I don't think you will have anything to worry about, if there is any kind of language used I feel it would be used by them for them in more of a teasing manner and not as a way to be malicious.

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Came here to say this! I remember the dwarven race in FF4, Tally ho! :D

They were a respected race, super friendly and imho, one of the best races in the FF series. I always looked forward to the part of the game where we visit them :) I do not recall any derogatory remarks or jokes made about them, it was just typical silly bickering between themselves if anything.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Came here to say this! I remember the dwarven race in FF4, Tally ho! :D

They were a respected race, super friendly and imho, one of the best races in the FF series. I always looked forward to the part of the game where we visit them :) I do not recall any derogatory remarks or jokes made about them, it was just typical silly bickering between themselves if anything.

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RALLY HO!
I've been wanting to see Mt. Gulg for a while now!
Do we have a design for them yet even? I remember in FFIX they were comparable size to the rest of the cast, but admittedly that game played with proportions pretty loosely. I think they're only a head or so under the adults in FFIV as well. Anyway, I have no reason to expect they won't be extremely fantastical with entire beard bodies or faceless helmets like they have been prior. If this is an issue that is close to your heart I imagine at this point you shouldn't have much to fear, although more information will tell.

When i see a dwarf in games being played i also assume the player is drunk the entire time lol

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Originally Posted by Valdegarde

RALLY HO!
I've been wanting to see Mt. Gulg for a while now!
Do we have a design for them yet even? I remember in FFIX they were comparable size to the rest of the cast, but admittedly that game played with proportions pretty loosely. I think they're only a head or so under the adults in FFIV as well. Anyway, I have no reason to expect they won't be extremely fantastical with entire beard bodies or faceless helmets like they have been prior. If this is an issue that is close to your heart I imagine at this point you shouldn't have much to fear, although more information will tell.

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They were namedropped back during NA FanFest, but no art as of yet.

Fantasy styled Dwarves, and FF styled Dwarves also included here, are just short humans with stout bellies and big beards. They don't have any discernable features of Dwarfism from real life.

If anything, I think their voice lines (if there will be any) will cause more of an unrest with the Scottish audience than with folks with Dwarfism. I've a few Scot friends that absolutely hate and revile how badly Dwarves sound in some MMO's/games/movies.

RALLY HO AND CARRY ON!

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I don't recall the things OP is worried about happening with the dwarves in FFIX. They were a little odd with their endearing and unique culture to be sure, but I don't think there was anything that could have vaguely been offensive to real people with any form of dwarfism. There were funny moments interacting with them but it had to do with their traditional customs.

And yea lalafells' stature is VERY rarely mentioned, directly or indirectly, in the game. Npcs take them as seriously as the taller races. I think their size is only referenced where it makes sense, such as a quest that referred to an opening a hyur child or a lalafell could fit in.

OP I don't think you have anything to worry about :)

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This is a bait thread, and none of you are falling for it. Good show.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Yup, they're listed under 'new beast tribes' on the Shadowbringers promotional website, so it's now pretty guaranteed they'll be officially shown at the Tokyo Fanfest next month.

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Wait, what the hell? I kept checking the NA version of the Shadowbringer's site and it's always been (and still is) just a link to the trailer, a link to na.finalfantasyxiv.com, and a link to the Lodestone. Why does every other language version (including the EU English version) have actual information on it?

Dwarves are coming to ff14?


RALLY-HO!

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Dwarves are coming to ff14?


RALLY-HO!

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RALLY-HO i hope they get tanks

Oh i did not see the mention of them as a Beast Tribe just pixies.
New Shard and land so makes sense we get different races and stuff

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Originally Posted by Maero

Oh i did not see the mention of them as a Beast Tribe just pixies.
New Shard and land so makes sense we get different races and stuff

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They have never said anything about going to a new shard.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

Wait, what the hell? I kept checking the NA version of the Shadowbringer's site and it's always been (and still is) just a link to the trailer, a link to na.finalfantasyxiv.com, and a link to the Lodestone. Why does every other language version (including the EU English version) have actual information on it?

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It's on the NA site too, maybe you didn't scroll down far enough, or too far, or just let it load.

I wonder of Dwarves or Nu Mou will get the second primal. I wouldn't be shocked if the Dwarves are the crafting beast tribe this time around like the Moogles and Namazu and don't get a primal.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

i mean you got 2 tribes of au ra that are pretty much sexist and its fine lol

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....You know what, on second thought, I don't really want to know.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

....You know what, on second thought, I don't really want to know.

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I'm assuming this is about the all female and all male tribes in the lore book? If not, IDK.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I'm assuming this is about the all female and all male tribes in the lore book? If not, IDK.

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We actually encounter the Buduga (male only tribe) in the main scenario. They're the ones dressed in green.

I feel like this is some sort of bait post. . .

I just had a realization... Ok, so Lalafells in the First World are Dwarfs. And the Warriors of Darkness originate from the First World. Sooo... why do they have a Lala healer in their group? Or are Dwarfs physically just regular Lalas, and they just wear protective outfits with fake beards for some reason? Or is the answer simpler, and Yoshi-P and his team simply screwed up?

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Originally Posted by Barachim

I just had a realization... Ok, so Lalafells in the First World are Dwarfs. And the Warriors of Darkness originate from the First World. Sooo... why do they have a Lala healer in their group? Or are Dwarfs physically just regular Lalas, and they just wear protective outfits with fake beards for some reason? Or is the answer simpler, and Yoshi-P and his team simply screwed up?

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The WoD lala was a Dwarf on the 1st but to travel to the source had to give up her physical body(This is all we know that happened with needing to travel to the source) now what most likely happened is her soul was put into a lala body and she went with it

Heh, I always assumed the Warriors of Darkness were their spiritual aether taking physical form. Do we know for a fact that in order to travel to the source, they had to possess new bodies after giving up their old bodies?

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Originally Posted by Barachim

Heh, I always assumed the Warriors of Darkness were their spiritual aether taking physical form. Do we know for a fact that in order to travel to the source, they had to possess new bodies after giving up their old bodies?

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They don't as ascians don't but the fact she is a lalafell and not a dwarf(remember the characteristics of dwarves on the first always has helmet and beards) proves the theory at least for her that she did get a new body

I hadn't thought about the WoDs till now, but the fact the lalafell is in fact a lalafell means that something must have happened on their way from the first to the source. Either they had to possess new bodies and give up their own to leave the first, or they were somehow changed in the process of dimension hopping.

I hope somebody asks the question, the next time they have a Q&A session.

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Originally Posted by Barachim

I just had a realization... Ok, so Lalafells in the First World are Dwarfs. And the Warriors of Darkness originate from the First World. Sooo... why do they have a Lala healer in their group? Or are Dwarfs physically just regular Lalas, and they just wear protective outfits with fake beards for some reason? Or is the answer simpler, and Yoshi-P and his team simply screwed up?

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The beard looks like it's wool. It might be a stylistic choice, but it could easily be that it's fake and the First's lalas just wear them and the helmets for anonymity or for some cultural/practical reason that arose from effectively being cast out of the rest of civilization.

I kind of hope that we meet them and find out that they revere Lamimi(the WHM from Arbert's group) as a hero.