Add level sync to all overworld areas?

For example, you can only be Lv50 and under in ARR zones.

Lv60 and under for Heavensward, Lv70 and under for Stormblood.


This would fix the issue with S rank hunts dying quickly. SE would have to adjust the level of some quests mobs too.

There could be two layers of level sync, zone-sync, then another layer if you want to sync for a FATE that is too low for your level.

I don't think there's an issue with S ranks dying too quickly. Just some people not moving fast enough for other peoples work.
I mean, if that's your end goal, just outright say it. But if your goal is to have a forced level sync for some other reason, it'd ruin a lot of feeling of progression from the player.

I would like to have an option to level sync whenever we want. I know it might be a bit of a niche use though. I'd also like to see the undersized party, and unsync as separate options for DF, though if we can choose level freely it could cover this too.

Universal level sync across the entire game was the best thing that ever happened to Elder Scrolls Online. They took the extreme solution: everything in the entire game was scaled to max level and 'gear ready to enter raiding'. And all player characters are always scaled the same as well - though NOT in skill unlocks. You only go above this when you enter their version of 'expert dungeons, extreme trials, and raids', and there is no going below it.

As a result the entire game came alive - no dead zones anywhere - and players started running the game's quests in any order desired.

I remember this from Guild Wars 2 when I played it, and it was annoying. I was generally stronger the first time I stepped into a zone than I was when I came back many levels later, due to how secondary stats scaled.

Outside of hunts, what overworld content do you feel the need to be scaled down for, anyway? Already happens for fates. Do you really want lv 3 lady bugs to feel as "dangerous" as they were the first time?

I'd be for a party sync option if let's say you want to help someone out (outside of FATEs) but don't want to be ridiculously OP in comparison, that would be ok. Though as for an open world wide sync, it's probably not really necessary at all, as a few have mentioned outside of hunts there is no other reason to need it.

This is a terrible idea, especially for gatherers. And before this thread goes into the direction that I think it's gonna go, here's a reminder that there's no early pulls, only late arrivals.

No matter how much sync you throw in an S rank will melt like butter because of the sheer number of people that come to it. That being said an optional sync would be a fun idea for the future. But we'll need to see what's actually planned for NG+ before we really know what to ask from SE

Could we just remove hunts instead? Also a open world level sync means everything would aggro again... and that's something I greatly look forward to when my level cap raises is not getting aggro in old areas. If anything just make Hunts F.A.T.E. like and have it so you have to level sync for them instead. Which wont matter much cause even when you level sync something your gear will still destroy things.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Could we just remove hunts instead? Also a open world level sync means everything would aggro again... and that's something I greatly look forward to when my level cap raises is not getting aggro in old areas. If anything just make Hunts F.A.T.E. like and have it so you have to level sync for them instead. Which wont matter much cause even when you level sync something your gear will still destroy things.

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I think we've had enough FATEs and FATE-like things already.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

I think we've had enough FATEs and FATE-like things already.

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Hunts are already like fates, if you didn't know that. They just don't have a big map marker and level sync.

That's literally the only difference.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I don't think there's an issue with S ranks dying too quickly. Just some people not moving fast enough for other peoples work.
I mean, if that's your end goal, just outright say it. But if your goal is to have a forced level sync for some other reason, it'd ruin a lot of feeling of progression from the player.

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I usually spawn a lot of S ranks myself, so I'm usually not affected when a player pulls on sight, which happens a lot on Siren. There's a lot of shouting matches that go on when an S rank dies before many players can arrive.
This happens almost exclusively with ARR and HW hunts. Stormblood hunts are never a problem because we're currently capped at 70. When we're capped at Lv80, it will be the same with SB.

ARR instances cap you at Lv50 or below by default, so why not extend this to ARR zones? You would still be able to destroy most ARR mobs at Lv50.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

I remember this from Guild Wars 2 when I played it, and it was annoying. I was generally stronger the first time I stepped into a zone than I was when I came back many levels later, due to how secondary stats scaled.

Outside of hunts, what overworld content do you feel the need to be scaled down for, anyway? Already happens for fates. Do you really want lv 3 lady bugs to feel as "dangerous" as they were the first time?

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Well, you would be a Lv50 at max iLevel, so a Lv3 lady bug would still be weak to you and non-aggro. :p

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

This is a terrible idea, especially for gatherers. And before this thread goes into the direction that I think it's gonna go, here's a reminder that there's no early pulls, only late arrivals.

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I was thinking this would be a level sync only for disciples of war and magic.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Could we just remove hunts instead? Also a open world level sync means everything would aggro again... and that's something I greatly look forward to when my level cap raises is not getting aggro in old areas. If anything just make Hunts F.A.T.E. like and have it so you have to level sync for them instead. Which wont matter much cause even when you level sync something your gear will still destroy things.

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Only Lv40+ enemies would aggro. Hunts are one of the most popular server community activities in the open world. Most of everything else is cross-world and instance based.

I wouldn't mind seeing a system (Similar to the Novel/Anime Log Horizon teaching system) where you could scale down in level intentionally.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I'd be for a party sync option if let's say you want to help someone out (outside of FATEs) but don't want to be ridiculously OP in comparison, that would be ok.

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It's not only about not wanting to be OP. If high level wants to party with a low level friend, let's say, I'm introducing a friend to a game and run quests with them, they don't get exp if the level disparity is too high. Having everything on high level (as many active players do at this point) there's not option to go low class. Running alongside the friend without party is an option but somewhat boring one. I'd also like to be able to sync so I'd be on reasonable level compared to hunt targets (the normal mob ones) so I could level my chocobo on the side. And maybe just to make them a bit more interesting for myself. I'm actually against a forced global sync but would be nice to gave an option.

An optional ability to scale yourself down would be fine (so you can play with friends without needing a class in their level range--not that I can think of any real reason why you might need this since FATEs and instances already scale you), but you're out of your mind if you want it to be automatic and mandatory, especially not for the sake of old, outdated content that most players ignore anyway.

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

And before this thread goes into the direction that I think it's gonna go, here's a reminder that there's no early pulls, only late arrivals.

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Yes, but something can be said for not killing an S-rank before the person who spawned it can even get in range. Otherwise I agree.

Forced level sync? No.


Optional level sync? Sure, why not.

If it's the level sync, we get in non-70 duty roulettes where we get a significant portion of our skills gutted...please no!

It feels horrible to play jobs like this.

If it's a level sync where we keep our skills/gear but scaled, I might be in favour depending on how the scaling is done.

I can support some form of syncing for A and S rank hunts, but not universally across a zone. Let me continue travel and gather without risking face pulling mobs in old zones.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Forced level sync? No.


Optional level sync? Sure, why not.

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As some have pointed out already it would be nice to sync down down to a friend's level in the over world. But forced? nah When I'm on my own I just want to blow things up that get in my way!

I've said it before, but the simplest and more effective method would be Party Sync.
Party Leader has a tick box in the Party Members menu:
"Sync party down to lowest members level."

I would agree to this if they don’t lock away our abilities and if non-combat jobs are left alone.

So, what I'm hearing is your server when it comes to hunts have a bunch of selfish people who don't respect pull times and that you want to punish all servers with something they might not need because the community is mostly respectful to those who work to spawn S ranks?

An optional level synce sure I'd be fine with that but I doubt SE could manage to have it only effect battle classes if it wasn't optional.