pls squer, give us a fishing tackle box

I know Fisher isnt the most popular gathering class BUT as a fisher I would love to get a tackle box. Right now I use my chocobo saddle bag for that, but it would be nice to have an option not to fill up my inventory / saddle bag. We have quite a lot fishing tackles, a storage just for that would be most helpful.

They said a while back that they can't make a tackle box without "locking up" inventory space that could otherwise be used to store any kind of item. So it's unlikely that they'll implement it instead of giving us more general storage.

I'd rather just see bait consolidated into much fewer pieces. Fishing is so stupidly complicated in part because there are a million baits and lures, some of which are only used in one or two specific places (magma), and no way of knowing which one you'll need at any given time for any given fish, let alone happen to have it on you.

I'd make it four baits per expansion. One each 'leveling' bait and lure, and one each level cap (scripts) bait and lure. Adjusting all the current fish to match it. No more of this 'fill your entire saddlebag with bait just in case' BS.

I thought the saddlebag was a tackle-box compromise. Not everyone fishes, but everyone can use the extra space. Consolidating lures & baits would make much more sense.

The Saddlebag isn't the best thing to use as you have to keep removing stuff from it that you want to use, much like a retainer. One easy solution is to just make a new seperate tab in the Armoury Chest which is only for fishing tackle/bait. That way it's easily accessible wherever you are when fishing, but whether such a thing could be implemented is always a much different story.

thing is if people got a tackle box people would start demanding a separate storage for miner/botany gathering items too or a crafting chest to keep crafting mats in.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

The Saddlebag isn't the best thing to use as you have to keep removing stuff from it that you want to use, much like a retainer. One easy solution is to just make a new seperate tab in the Armoury Chest which is only for fishing tackle/bait. That way it's easily accessible wherever you are when fishing, but whether such a thing could be implemented is always a much different story.

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How often are you changing bait/lure that chocobo saddlebag becomes a hassle? At least saddlebag you can access anywhere out in the open world. I would imagine tackle box would work the same way in that you have to take bait or lures out of it into your regular inventory before you can use it. Would probably be better if SE was able to find a way to use items directly from saddlebag since that would be the same as a saddlebag.

No, give use the space that potentially gets added as extra inventory so it's useful for non fishers too.
And if se takes away regular inventory for a box I would really be pissed.
I do have noticed that you don't need all of the baits and lures to get all the fish. May not be the most efficient.
Also do you go fishing for so many different types of fish at once that you need all those baits with you?

The current "change bait" action does gather a list of all baits currently in your inventory, so there would be a possibility that it could be set to look in the saddlebag as well. (Probably toggle between them, not both at once, given how this game tends to handle its multiple inventories.)

On the other hand, there might be an issue with coding that stops you from using consumable items directly from the saddlebag and similar storage. Currently you have to shift items from it to the inventory before you can actually use them. If that's a permanent limitation by necessity rather than choice, they might not be able to draw on bait directly from it.

Well... Consolidating Baits down would also work.

Like, is there a particular need for having 3-4 baits all working to get the same fish just with like 1 bait also can get another fish?

A novel idea would be seeing if they could implement something akin to changing Spearfishing heads, but for Lures. So each Lure could have several configurations to act as multiple baits, instead of needing like 100 different baits and lures and then having to keep going onto 3rd party websites in order to figure out which one you need for any given fish...

Another possibility is trying to see if the "Change Bait" action that lets you select your bait, could somehow be refurbished INTO bait storage in of itself. That way it wouldn't have to conflict with anywhere that could be normal storage and you wouldn't have to faff about with taking out baits when whatever tackle box inevitably fills up in the future when they add in like 4000 more baits each to catch like 2 fish each...

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

I would imagine tackle box would work the same way in that you have to take bait or lures out of it into your regular inventory before you can use it.

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We don't actually use bait directly from our regular inventory, though, even though it has to be stored there. Bait is selected using the "Bait" skill that brings up a separate window of our available baits/lures. What people want is for that Bait window to itself represent the storage in sort of the way the currency window represents storage of multiple currency types. We don't want there to be actual "items" involved. Essentially, treat baits like a type of currency.

(Well, for crafted ones, there would have to be an intermediate item that you'd craft, and then "use" to add it to your bait currency. But while fishing, we'd just use the ones in our Bait window and not the ones that are still items.)

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

No, give use the space that potentially gets added as extra inventory so it's useful for non fishers too.

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The thing is that specific storage can be a lot more efficient. The space it would take up to give us a tackle box for all 61 types of bait would probably be about the size of just one item slot, maybe two. Using one or two slot's worth of space to save sixty-one slots is a win.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

We don't actually use bait directly from our regular inventory, though, even though it has to be stored there. Bait is selected using the "Bait" skill that brings up a separate window of our available baits/lures.

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You don't pick it from the inventory yourself, but the game is still accessing those items from your main inventory. The Bait window just seems to search your inventory for baits as an easier way of seeing what you have available.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

The thing is that specific storage can be a lot more efficient. The space it would take up to give us a tackle box for all 61 types of bait would probably be about the size of just one item slot, maybe two. Using one or two slot's worth of space to save sixty-one slots is a win.

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There's a difference between what you theoretically can do with storage, and what this game can do. Its inventory is notoriously awkwardly programmed, and due to past statements they've made, it may not be possible to condense those baits down to be "non-items".

On top of their specific statement about not being able to create a tacklebox without locking up inventory spaces (which I don't have a link for), there's this post from one of the UI programmers which gives a bit of insight into the convoluted ways they have to work around issues caused by their own past decisions.

- item slots are treated in "groups" (previously 25, now 35, as reflected in "pages" of inventories)
- the number of groups in our main inventory can't be increased without a lot of reprogramming, because an early decision in how data is organised now makes it difficult to expand.
- this is why we now have "alternate" inventories like the saddlebag and glamour dresser, which are stored in a different location.

See also: the glamour dresser programming, which essentially works "on top of" the pre-existing glamour system without trying to change anything about how that process works.

There could be some similar deep-seated programming issues regarding how fishing uses bait items.

I really like the idea of treating the bait and tackle like currency, I would prefer this. There's also the option of just making the items like the spearfishing gigs, as in not actual items or currency. This would mean they would't have a stack size and are no longer items to craft, they're just icons unlocked through quests/leveling/etc. It's another option, though it's less interesting.