[SPOILER (Kinda)] - About the Dungeon in 4.5

I've been enjoying this patch a lot, specially because it has a lot of voice acting. Has anyone else noticed already that in the Ghimlyt Dark, near the last boss, there's a limit break that can be done by Lyse, Hien or Yugiri? Is total random. My sadness comes to the part where Kan-E-Senna does the bubble aoe to protect us from an attack... why Aymeric (clearly a PLD) couldn't use Passage of Arms to do the same? Or Pipin (a DRK) some sort of shadow shield? I know they are mere details but it would've been cool.

Anyway, this was a nice beta for the upcoming Trust System, and I really appreciate the efforts the dev team is doing to make all this content. Too bad we are not getting another dungeon in the 2nd part :(

Have fun with the patch!

As expected from Square Enix, high level attention details are added for this patch. Totally enjoyable.

It was a neat moment but I don't think it has anything to do with the trust system. If anything I think the trust system will be built off of the squadron ais.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

It was a neat moment but I don't think it has anything to do with the trust system. If anything I think the trust system will be built off of the squadron ais.

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I'm thinking that squadrons will be involved as well, but in the teaser image clearly there were members of the Scions, so they will be part of it as well!

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

I'm thinking that squadrons will be involved as well, but in the teaser image clearly there were members of the Scions, so they will be part of it as well!

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Oh yeah, I think that scions will be a part of it in terms of what characters are involved. What I meant is more on the gameplay side of how it will function, I expect it to work more like squadrons as opposed to the scripted events in the dungeon here.

if Trust characters bust out their own unique Limit Breaks, i will be very impressed.

but i'll keep my expectations as Squadron members looking like story NPCs.

I had no idea Hien or Yugiri had LBs there. I've only done it once and saw Lyse do Final Heaven.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

I had no idea Hien or Yugiri had LBs there. I've only done it once and saw Lyse do Final Heaven.

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Hien does Doom of Living and Yugiri does Chimatsuri, it's pretty cool to see how each LB does 905k damage x)

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

Hien does Doom of Living and Yugiri does Chimatsuri, it's pretty cool to see how each LB does 905k damage x)

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...Right? And I really like how you can actually heal the NPCs as well.

What I want to know is... How come SAMs didn't get Hiens LB ; ; It's so much cooler.

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

Or Pipin (a DRK) some sort of shadow shield?

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Pipin is in an awkward place, class-wise, because lore-wise he's not a DRK - he's a gladiator with a sword that's too big to carry on his waist.

Has anyone had a close look at him in battle to see what stance he is using? Is he fighting as a DRK, or have they programmed that sword as a generic weapon that he wields in gladiator stance? (Which is basically "default stance" - you'll also do it if you go into battle stance with a DoH/DoL class, or try to do the /bstance and /vpose emotes with them.)

There are definitely instances throughout the game of characters with non-standard weapons - eg. in the MCH quests Rostnsthal has an axe that he carries on his waist like a sword, and Stephanivien only has a wrench. Both go into gladiator stance in battle, but I'm not sure if they use any skills or just do auto-attacks.

He uses Dark knight animations, since he is using a Sword that is too large for him (one of the only examples of a weapon not size morphing to fit the wielder). Whats odd is that he uses Drks Enmity combo which has some kinda Magic palm blast as if he were an actual Drk rather than a Gladiator with a 2-hander

It wouldn't be the first time we see some NPC changing their "job" tho, remember that the Handsome Stranger (Thancred) started as a GLD and now is a NIN and he goes with a gunblade in the 5.0 trailer. And Alisaie also changed her weapon to the RDM rapier.

Also why Kan-E-Senna was using Collective Unconscious, an AST skill? That blew my mind.

I didn't know Lyse or Hien can do it too. I ran it two times so far and it was only Yugiri.
Too bad there's no Estinien like in Ala Mhigo dungeon, otherwise we'd get all 4 melees option XD

The other thing I like about this dungeon is that playing as a healer felt like my character is actually a healer in war, because I got to heal other people besides my party.

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Originally Posted by Rayo

He uses Dark knight animations, since he is using a Sword that is too large for him (one of the only examples of a weapon not size morphing to fit the wielder). Whats odd is that he uses Drks Enmity combo which has some kinda Magic palm blast as if he were an actual Drk rather than a Gladiator with a 2-hander

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Ah, so the NPC is programmed as a dark knight then.

It makes sense that the weapon doesn't scale for him, because it's not just "a sword" (with the presumption that "really" he would have picked a Lalafell-sized rather than Hyur-sized sword) but a specific sword that was intended to be used by a Hyur but has been gifted to him for sentimental value. It would be strange if it magically shrank.

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

It wouldn't be the first time we see some NPC changing their "job" tho, remember that the Handsome Stranger (Thancred) started as a GLD and now is a NIN and he goes with a gunblade in the 5.0 trailer. And Alisaie also changed her weapon to the RDM rapier.

Also why Kan-E-Senna was using Collective Unconscious, an AST skill? That blew my mind.

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Thancred and Alisaie have canonically had training with their second jobs though. (Thancred has history with the Rogues' Guild, and the RDM tutor mentions that Alisaie was learning from him.)

Pipin was just gifted a sword that's too big for him. He would have to learn to wield it two-handed, like the physical element of a dark knight's sword skills, but that doesn't mean he's had any training in the dark magic side of it.

But then again, I just remembered that according to the lorebook, the sword itself is cursed!

From Raubahn's profile (vol.1, p.131):

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The Tizona is a sword made of two cursed blades, and was taken from the hands of a former rival in the Coliseum. With a name that roughly translates to "sword of flame", its accursed magicks are so powerful that the weapon will set ablaze all who cannot control it.

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So... that could account for Pipin spontaneously acquiring dark magic powers, and also an additional reason why it's so significant to be gifted it in the first place. Definitely not something you want to be picking up if you're not ready for it...



Not sure if there's an explanation for Kan-E using Collective Unconscious, if that's what it is, though I thought Y'shtola has used a similar shield before? Or maybe the different healing disciplines do overlap to some extent. I'm sure she knows more white magic than we do.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Ah, so the NPC is programmed as a dark knight then.

It makes sense that the weapon doesn't scale for him, because it's not just "a sword" (with the presumption that "really" he would have picked a Lalafell-sized rather than Hyur-sized sword) but a specific sword that was intended to be used by a Hyur but has been gifted to him for sentimental value. It would be strange if it magically shrank.





Thancred and Alisaie have canonically had training with their second jobs though. (Thancred has history with the Rogues' Guild, and the RDM tutor mentions that Alisaie was learning from him.)

Pipin was just gifted a sword that's too big for him. He would have to learn to wield it two-handed, like the physical element of a dark knight's sword skills, but that doesn't mean he's had any training in the dark magic side of it.

But then again, I just remembered that according to the lorebook, the sword itself is cursed!

From Raubahn's profile (vol.1, p.131):

So... that could account for Pipin spontaneously acquiring dark magic powers, and also an additional reason why it's so significant to be gifted it in the first place. Definitely not something you want to be picking up if you're not ready for it...



Not sure if there's an explanation for Kan-E using Collective Unconscious, if that's what it is, though I thought Y'shtola has used a similar shield before? Or maybe the different healing disciplines do overlap to some extent. I'm sure she knows more white magic than we do.

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It's like everything has an explanation, thanks for that lore quote! But what about the bubble haha why couldn't she use the WHM aoe instead... Because the AST one looks cooler? Haha the other time I've seen that shield was when Fordola used it in 4.1 against Lakshmi, but it still makes me curious.

Talking about Fordola, we haven't seen her in a while, I hope she makes an appearance in the next part of 4.5.

They aren't sneak peaks at 5.0 limit breaks maybe? (going off the user who said they wanted Hien LB for SAM)

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

It's like everything has an explanation, thanks for that lore quote! But what about the bubble haha why couldn't she use the WHM aoe instead... Because the AST one looks cooler? Haha the other time I've seen that shield was when Fordola used it in 4.1 against Lakshmi, but it still makes me curious.

Talking about Fordola, we haven't seen her in a while, I hope she makes an appearance in the next part of 4.5.

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White mages AoE heals, it doesn't protect. Wouldn't help prevent getting wiped out.

As for why she used that barrier...to be honest, that looks like a generic force-field to me even for Astrologian. So I wouldn't bother too much with it. There are several times when people that have no actual barriers form them to prevent a wipe of some sort. Sometimes with an explanation (Estinien and Nidhoggs eye), other times without it (Fordola and actually players character protecting people from Lakshmi).

Kan E is my commander so to speak but she needed to finally show some use i suppose.
I rather enjoyed seeing familiar characters fighting and it is a great dungeon.
When Yugiri used a LB i was like hey.. thanks for using our lb (in a joking matter of course)

And Lyse, she finally did something useful in SB as well