[Spoilers] About the ending of the 4 beasts story

Hello everyone,

First of all, I'd like to wish you all a happy new year and all the best.

Now about the main topic, I wonder if I was the only one disapointed by Oryu's design, which is just a bigger version of the Kirin mount.

We've been teased about Oryu's come back since Byakko, and tried to prevent that. When it happens, we are meant to expect a huge and powerful yellow dragon. How in the world Kirin's huge dad is supposed to be Oryu ?

This is a reused asset, the only difference being it's bigger than the original. Same shape, same colours, same ... everything.

It felt really weird, because it's so obvious.

It doesn't feel right, for a MMO as big as FF14, to reuse assets in this way (and keep in mind that I'm not against assets being reused because it happens a lot in video games in general). But this felet completly out of the place, and plain laziness.

It actually felt like watching a Machinimia, made by fans.

I only see one explanation to this : they didn't have a new model ready for the update's release and chose to use this one instead. In any case, this isn't (in my opinion) okay.


I am quite disapointed by this, and it makes me question the game's direction a lot. I'd like to know how you feel about it.

Yes this is very serious. You should quit the game immediately.

it was already teased in the last patch, when we saw his siluette looking like kirin...sadly.

Yeah, the Suzaku patch showed that it was Kirin.

I'm more disappointed there was no solo duty where you fight the dumb thing alongside the Four Lords.

I guess I didn't notice during the suzaku cutscene ...

I was expecting to at least fight Oryu a bit too, as the Warrior of Light already faced among the strongest beings on Hydaelyn. To think Oryu would simply destroy us in seconds feels weird too according to the lore.

Because of that, and the lack of a solo duty at the very least, the ending of the otherwise great Four Lords story felt extremely underwhelming. I forgot the teaser in the last patch but really? They just reused assets for the big bad? At least Suzaku changed form even though she was initially a Phoenix/Yol reskin. It would be one thing if they added/changed some things but nope, it's a straight up Kirin clone.

How I feel about it is - I think it's weird that you built up the big bad of this story line to be incredibly important, yet never remembered its name.

Seriously though, it was a little disappointing that it was the exact same model, colors and all.

Well if you played ffxi you would have seen this coming. Kirin was the final boss spawned by beating all the 4 lords, so it was only natural that koryu would be a stand in for Kirin since we already had him.

Could have been a nice throwback to have made him a big ass manticore instead though.

Biggest disappointment to me is that we didn’t actually get to fight him, even just as a solo instance at the end. Maybe having the 4 lords buff us or help us during the fight. It felt like the ending of a beast tribe quest where everything gets resolved in a cutscene and you have little or nothing to do with the climax.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

Yeah, the Suzaku patch showed that it was Kirin.

I'm more disappointed there was no solo duty where you fight the dumb thing alongside the Four Lords.

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This, my friend and I were hoping against hope we'd at least get a solo instance since we already knew it was going to be a reused asset but no dice. Can't say I'm surprised honestly.

I'm not too disappointed because it was a pretty cool cutscene, but I have to admit I was expecting to get to fight Koryu myself.

Koryu be like:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf5vNNDRGno

I find it really weird that we didn't kill him. Like, I knew the seal wasn't gonna work, that stuff never works, but usually after that we just kill it anyway with the help of the questline relevant people, there was even a dialogue option that said together we can defeat him, which made me think ok there is an instanced fight coming up. But nope, we just seal him back up, we don't even try to fight him. Genbu even admits "yeah you'll probably break free again but it won't be our problem anymore". It's not our usual M.O. to just put the problem off for the next generation to deal with, so that felt like kind of a hollow victory to me.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Well if you played ffxi you would have seen this coming.

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This right there is one of the things I outright loathe about SB. It's really unfriendly to people who haven't played other FF games. The entire Ivalice raid was met with indifference from me because they relied on Nostalgia rather than properly writing these characters into XIV's world. The only ones I ended up liking were oddly enough Ramza (I'm a sucker for jerks coming around) and Fran, because they took all the personality that was supposed to be shared between the rest of that quest's cast and infused her with its entirety - I never played XII, no reason to care for her otherwise.
And with all respect to XI, Kirin already exists in the game with established lore. So now to suddenly have it be this big bad is just weak. The only explanation we're left with is that these super duper rare creatures aren't really so rare in certain aspects, which also explains why Suzaku and the firebird mount are practically one and the same when Suzaku is in her bird form.
It's development laziness that reflects poorly on the storytelling.

Joining the choir of people disappointed we didn't actually get to fight our supposed big-bad. I was already shocked when they said this was to be the end of the story but the only trial we were given was Seiryu, but to not even give us a solo duty? That's just... meh.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

And with all respect to XI, Kirin already exists in the game with established lore. So now to suddenly have it be this big bad is just weak. The only explanation we're left with is that these super duper rare creatures aren't really so rare in certain aspects, which also explains why Suzaku and the firebird mount are practically one and the same when Suzaku is in her bird form.
It's development laziness that reflects poorly on the storytelling.

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"Aren't so rare"? We see two instances of two different creatures in the game, a mount and a npc, and suddenly they're no longer rare? You really think seeing two kirin and two phoenixes means they can no longer be considered rare?

Also as far as I recall literally nothing in the game suggested that auspices are always entirely unique in their physical appearance. Rare does not mean there can only be one. I thought it was cool to see Koryu as a kirin. It was an "oh so this is an auspice too" sort of moment. It actually expanded the lore on the mount.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Joining the choir of people disappointed we didn't actually get to fight our supposed big-bad. I was already shocked when they said this was to be the end of the story but the only trial we were given was Seiryu, but to not even give us a solo duty? That's just... meh.

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I honestly feel that fighting Koryu would have been predictable storytelling so I'm pretty happy with how the story played out, but I do agree that the absence of a solo trial was a bit disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

Yeah, the Suzaku patch showed that it was Kirin.

I'm more disappointed there was no solo duty where you fight the dumb thing alongside the Four Lords.

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I REALLY wanted this as well.

As for OP, I never saw the Kirin mount closely so his model had no similar effect on me.

I loved the 4 lord quest line, though. Soroban is best turtle.

Er... actually, most of the real world myth that the Four Lords is based on includes a golden Kirin or dragon representing quintessence/aether/earth in the center, with the Black Turtle, Blue Dragon (aoi snake is aoi dragon), Red Firebird, and White Tiger being below the Kirin in the divine heirarchy.

So Koyru, being surrounded/contained by the four lords, as a Kirin is not terribly surprising at all.

Was a bit bummed we did not have a duty-fight against it. Wouldn't surprise me if there is a special Wandering Minstrel fight with it later.

It wouldn't surprise me if we have an actual fight against it later, either. Seal it up for now, come back to it when we've become even more phenomenally overpowered and actually stand a chance of beating it.

Sounds like a better plan than sealing it up and declaring it "somebody else's future problem"...

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Originally Posted by Jojozan

Er... actually, most of the real world myth that the Four Lords is based on includes a golden Kirin or dragon representing quintessence/aether/earth in the center, with the Black Turtle, Blue Dragon (aoi snake is aoi dragon), Red Firebird, and White Tiger being below the Kirin in the divine heirarchy.

So Koyru, being surrounded/contained by the four lords, as a Kirin is not terribly surprising at all.

Was a bit bummed we did not have a duty-fight against it. Wouldn't surprise me if there is a special Wandering Minstrel fight with it later.

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Maybe a future Ultimate?

the end was underwhelming it feel's that they where just trying to end it as fast as they could and we just got some gil as reward no achievement that kinda felt weird (Edit forgot about the painting)

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

Yeah, the Suzaku patch showed that it was Kirin.

I'm more disappointed there was no solo duty where you fight the dumb thing alongside the Four Lords.

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This. This exactly at least let me fight the reused asset. I was so hype for at least that but nnnnnnnnnope.

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Originally Posted by Jojozan

So Koyru, being surrounded/contained by the four lords, as a Kirin is not terribly surprising at all.

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On top of that, the quest to receive Kirin clearly says that it's tied to an Eastern divine beast or something, so...we kind of knew that.

Basically, it's like meeting a powerful angel guardian and that "simply" reuses Kuribu's model.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

On top of that, the quest to receive Kirin clearly says that it's tied to an Eastern divine beast or something, so...we kind of knew that.

Basically, it's like meeting a powerful angel guardian and that "simply" reuses Kuribu's model.

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That's already kind of established by the second Encyclopedia Eorzea. It said that the Amdapoori kuribu are golems based on extraplanar beings.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

That's already kind of established by the second Encyclopedia Eorzea. It said that the Amdapoori kuribu are golems based on extraplanar beings.

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That's the point :p

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

Yeah, the Suzaku patch showed that it was Kirin.

I'm more disappointed there was no solo duty where you fight the dumb thing alongside the Four Lords.

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This is how I felt as well. What an underwhelming way to end the four lords story. Not SE's best work, imo.