Relic level 50

So yeah... relics are supposed to take time! I get it ive done it in ARR and Heavenswards, but.. we are looking into the new expansion soon, many of level 50 stuff are quick to do... not the relic!!!! Im doing the atma part that requires grinding fates to get 12 atmas to proceed! ... Its my 3rd day.. i grind and i grind and i grind.. ive wasted around 8hrs minimum and i have 5 atmas... They want 12! I get it, dont get me wrong i get it. But we are at a stage that level 50 stuff should be much more easier... Cmon ex trials you can basically solo them. The relic should follow the same pattern by now, dont make it a chore. Make it something one can pleasure in and have a bit of fun. 3 days with 2-3hrs playtime to get 5 out of 12 atmas is a bad bad premisses for something that is so so so outdated. Make it less, make it fun!!

(disclaimer: i have done FULL relics in Heavensward, I understand the "GRIND")

Books are the worst part because you're constantly going all over the place (and waiting on fates). It would be much better if

Two Books had Fates
Two Books had Dungeons
Two Books had Leves
Two Books had Enemies
One Book had a mixture of all 4.

The ARR and Heavenwards stuff is fine. It got nerfed to hell numerous times already but they aren't going to make it where you can just get one thing one after another. The entire process is still supposed to be a grind and gets done pretty quickly after the atma stage since you can solo or unsync all of the trials/dungeons.

Also if you think it is bad now, you don't know anything unless you did it before all the nerfs. Now THAT was a chore.

First of all, they have made the process of getting the lvl 50 relic weapons quicker and easier in several ways. Yes, it used to be even grindier.
Secondly, of course it is going to feel grindy if you try to do it all at once. Don't spend so much time every day on it. Don't try to get it all done in a couple of days. Assume that it will take several weeks or even months before you are done.


Keep in mind that there are really only two reasons to get the lvl50 relic weapon. The first is to use it for cosmetic purposes. The second is for the personal satisfaction of having done it, once one is finished.
So if you think the process is too grindy, then don't do it. It is not like you will actually need the finished relic weapon.

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Originally Posted by Ruinfeild

The ARR and Heavenwards stuff is fine. It got nerfed to hell numerous times already but they aren't going to make it where you can just get one thing one after another. The entire process is still supposed to be a grind and gets done pretty quickly after the atma stage since you can solo or unsync all of the trials/dungeons.

Also if you think it is bad now, you don't know anything unless you did it before all the nerfs. Now THAT was a chore.

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Ive done it when it was relevant. The Heavensward one. And yes it was a chore, and I understood why. It might be my luck but this stage of atma at the moment in level 50 relic is looking like one of those. It shouldnt, its outdated content my years now... or maybe it should.. but I feel that im overworking on something at the moment that is not worth the effort im putting in to it. That is all im saying.. There is a lot of content on this game that in my eyes is worth it, the way level 50 relic is, especially as there a level 60 and a level 70 relic out there, is not worth it. I just saying my opinion, I will finish it, but this is the only level 50 relic i will do to its end, its not worth it, its purelly cosmetic and I will say it again, for "brag" purposes there is relic 60 and relic 70 out there...

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Books are the worst part because you're constantly going all over the place (and waiting on fates). It would be much better if

Two Books had Fates
Two Books had Dungeons
Two Books had Leves
Two Books had Enemies
One Book had a mixture of all 4.

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IMO what would actually be better is if you could get every book, so if you do Haukke Manor HM it strikes out that dungeon on all of them. It'd make it way easier and less repetitive.

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Originally Posted by Jib

Ive done it when it was relevant. The Heavensward one. And yes it was a chore, and I understood why. It might be my luck but this stage of atma at the moment in level 50 relic is looking like one of those. It shouldnt, its outdated content my years now... or maybe it should.. but I feel that im overworking on something at the moment that is not worth the effort im putting in to it. That is all im saying.. There is a lot of content on this game that in my eyes is worth it, the way level 50 relic is, especially as there a level 60 and a level 70 relic out there, is not worth it. I just saying my opinion, I will finish it, but this is the only level 50 relic i will do to its end, its not worth it, its purelly cosmetic and I will say it again, for "brag" purposes there is relic 60 and relic 70 out there...

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If you dont feel its worth it, then why do it?

Back in the days when the weapons were relevant content I understood the complains, specially about the Atma-grind because you kinda had to do it to get the best weapon (depending on the stage it was either outright BiS or the next best thing for everyone who couldnt get their raid-weapon, either because they werent raiding or just had no luck with drops).
But now...?
As you notice yourself: Its a glamour-item - not only one though, but several.
If the grind isnt worth it to you, you can choose not to do it. Simple as that.

I dont feel like this really needs to be nerfed heavly again - it has been made so, so much easier already and given the nature of the whole questline, including the lore and the narration of the story, I dont think it would be appropriate if you could just breeze through it.
I finished two ARR-relics when they were current content and a third after the nerfs (I think I have a fourth Atma-weapon somewhere...) and I always liked having a project to work on with a reward that was indeed worth it to me.
You are entitled to your opinion that its not worth it, but personally I dont share that opinion. And I dont share the idea that just because its super easy now to get the ARR-EX-primal mounts everything else has to be handed to you on a silver plate aswell. HW and SB relics dont "replace" the ARR one either - neither are actual relevant weapons aswell (the HW outright arent, the SB ones have enough alternatives that you dont have to do that relic-grind either). This isnt "Oh, we got this new relic, lets throw everything about the old one into the trash!"

Yes, the relic - any of the relics - can be a grind and maybe with the outdated stuff its not as necessary anymore to keep us busy, but at the same time you can choose that you dont want to be kept busy with it at all, even as this very, very nerfed stage.
Personally I know that getting a fourth relic or a fifth would be worth it to me and I would actually like to go through the quest again, even at its current stage. But I only really play 3 classes and all of them got their relics, so...

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Books are the worst part because you're constantly going all over the place (and waiting on fates). It would be much better if

Two Books had Fates
Two Books had Dungeons
Two Books had Leves
Two Books had Enemies
One Book had a mixture of all 4.

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I'd prefer if they just had 1 book per stat for a total of 4 books.

Oh gosh! I totally forgot about those things!

Vidu I have all battle classes to 70, i do ex trials, check my mounts, i have done relics in the past... i know what a grind is... I know what you mean and i respect your input. Still this stage, the atma stage i feel it is too much.. i guess my opinion here.. but i feel it is too much.. for what is is worth. For my experience SE, just my opinion this is the only relic level 50 i will level, because the fate atma part is just too much... just my two cents, even though if forum community doesnt agree with it..

Is this a bad time to point out that the Atma drop rate was even smaller back when it was relevant?

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Originally Posted by Jib

Vidu I have all battle classes to 70, i do ex trials, check my mounts, i have done relics in the past... i know what a grind is... I know what you mean and i respect your input. Still this stage, the atma stage i feel it is too much.. i guess my opinion here.. but i feel it is too much.. for what is is worth. For my experience SE, just my opinion this is the only relic level 50 i will level, because the fate atma part is just too much... just my two cents, even though if forum community doesnt agree with it..

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Not really sure what to tell you, imo the atma crystal stage is one of the easiest atm. Think the drop rate is something around 10% atm, last one i did was a few months back and it only took me a day to get them all. They use to be MUCH worse, something around 2% drop rate... had friends that would farm FATEs for 3-4 hours a night and it took them over 3 months to get all their atma crystals.

Edit: Also if this step is too much for you to handle, then I would say that relic content is not something you'd enjoy at all. The grind gets much harder for many of the steps, the step after you complete the crystals has you buy books for 100 poetics each, complete 3 dungeons with your ilvl 100 relic, kill 30 specific overworld mobs, do 3 specific leves and do 3 specific FATEs. The FATE step imho is the worst one since some of them can have upwards of an hour or more respawn time even if you're actively doing other FATEs to speed it up and you have to do a total of 9 books.

I don't see a reason to keep the ARR relic behind such a long grind. It's vanity at this point, no one will use it for the stats and the boost you'd get for turning it in to start the HW relic is not worth all the effort. Since we're ending 4.x and beginning 5.0 I wouldn't mind if they nerfed the biggest pain point steps again (Atma and Books) since the bigger grind focus should be on the new content anyway. I finished the WHM relic in ARR... still hate Outer La Noscea after I spent a month there trying to get Atma of the Lion pre-nerf... and have no inclination to go back and do others whether or not more nerfs come, but it's been what, three years? Four? Put the soul-crushing major time investment grind in the new stuff and let the old stuff be a moderate time investment.

1. Give Atma a mercy RNG factor (the longer you go without getting the drop, the higher the chance it will drop next time you complete a FATE)
2. Straight-up reduce the # of books required

"It used to be worse" is no reason not to improve things further.

You are talking as if I have never done Relics. Yes I KNOW it was worst before.. how many times do I need to keep bringing up my past that i feel i shouldnt need to. Yes I have done it.. in the past! But it is 2019, we are entering 5.0, im just asking for level 50 relics to be more player friendly. Again i have done over 9hrs+ now and i have 5 atma, i need 12, that means around 20hrs plus, making a total of 30hrs more or less of gameplay doing 1 stage of something that is so so so overpast now. I understand level 60 relic still taking time, but cmon level 50... i think it is time to make it easier... its ridiculous in my opinion to other content...

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Not really sure what to tell you, imo the atma crystal stage is one of the easiest atm. Think the drop rate is something around 10% atm, last one i did was a few months back and it only took me a day to get them all. They use to be MUCH worse, something around 2% drop rate... had friends that would farm FATEs for 3-4 hours a night and it took them over 3 months to get all their atma crystals.

Edit: Also if this step is too much for you to handle, then I would say that relic content is not something you'd enjoy at all. The grind gets much harder for many of the steps, the step after you complete the crystals has you buy books for 100 poetics each, complete 3 dungeons with your ilvl 100 relic, kill 30 specific overworld mobs, do 3 specific leves and do 3 specific FATEs. The FATE step imho is the worst one since some of them can have upwards of an hour or more respawn time even if you're actively doing other FATEs to speed it up and you have to do a total of 9 books.

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You really think 10% drop is acceptable for level 50 relic?! again level 50!!! we have level 60 and level 70relics... 10% drop for level 50 level is acceptable at this point!??!

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Originally Posted by Jib

You really think 10% drop is acceptable for level 50 relic?! again level 50!!! we have level 60 and level 70relics... 10% drop for level 50 level is acceptable at this point!??!

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Yes, I was able to farm a whole set of crystals in one 5 hour session.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Yes, I was able to farm a whole set of crystals in one 5 hour session.

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well this is your experience, gratz on that. RNG is a bit**, im still here, look at what ive said, do you think that is acceptable, prob 30h+ to complete this stage?!? ... if i had done it those terms then yes maybe i would be here gloriously talking on the forum like you are, but my experience is different and that is what im trying to bring up to knowledge...

Atmas? That's your holdup? Been through that stage for two relics now, and I never really spent more than an hour in any one zone, I don't think.

You're a long time player, so I should think you know what you're doing. Maybe it is some obscenely bad luck. But I don't think I've commonly heard that being a huge stumbling point. Personally would agree that it's usually books (although, climbing into my 60s, maybe I wouldn't struggle so much any more, being able to solo most of them now...).

But in any case. It's not really like there's anything you can be doing wrong for that. All I can ask, and, again, assuming you're doing it right, but I'm sure I've made this same mistake before, but what zone(s) have been withholding their atma from you? I swear, last time I did this, I made the dumb mistake of farming in a zone that didn't even have an atma.

I dunno.I took me less than 2 hours to get the atma crystals.Are you sure you had the weapon equipped for every fate.?
Also the fact the relic weapon damage isnt useful is irelevant.The whole idea is its supposed to be a rare looking weapon that not everyone has.The grind doesnt need to be nerfed.It helps keep a bigger variety on players weapon glamors.It would be boring if we all had the same.

Books are definitely the worst part, it's where I'm stuck at currently with my last ARR relic for Warrior!...


I agree that SE should make the process simpler, they could make Atmas have a 50% drop rate and they could also reduce the light required for the final step because it's so hard to find which duty is under bonus...


Overall SE should significantly reduce the difficulty of getting every relic in the game after every expansion, what they've done so far is not enough!...

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Atmas? That's your holdup? Been through that stage for two relics now, and I never really spent more than an hour in any one zone, I don't think.

You're a long time player, so I should think you know what you're doing. Maybe it is some obscenely bad luck. But I don't think I've commonly heard that being a huge stumbling point. Personally would agree that it's usually books (although, climbing into my 60s, maybe I wouldn't struggle so much any more, being able to solo most of them now...).

But in any case. It's not really like there's anything you can be doing wrong for that. All I can ask, and, again, assuming you're doing it right, but I'm sure I've made this same mistake before, but what zone(s) have been withholding their atma from you? I swear, last time I did this, I made the dumb mistake of farming in a zone that didn't even have an atma.

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Originally Posted by Ruinfeild

The ARR and Heavenwards stuff is fine. It got nerfed to hell numerous times already but they aren't going to make it where you can just get one thing one after another. The entire process is still supposed to be a grind and gets done pretty quickly after the atma stage since you can solo or unsync all of the trials/dungeons.

Also if you think it is bad now, you don't know anything unless you did it before all the nerfs. Now THAT was a chore.

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Originally Posted by Jib

1h?!!? .... let’s just say I won’t respond to you as I really wanted because prob I would get banned ... 1 hour!! Really!?! Twice you did it in 1 hour?!!! .....

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Last relic I did, for 5 Atmas in a row I got them right on the first FATE

If you think that step is terrible, you're in for a treat. Its one of the easier, least time consuming steps.

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Originally Posted by Jib

Did you actually read what I wrote or stopped half way like majority of ppl on forums. I HAVE DONE RELICS BEFORE when they where relevant... how many times do I need to write it?!

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Based on what you're saying, it really doesn't sound like you have.

Again, not sure what to tell you, RNG is RNG. It just seems that you've run into some exceptionally bad luck with it.

I've done 4 of the ARR relics, 1 when it was current and 3 after nerfs. After the nerfs it usually took me only 5-6 Fates tops to get a crystal to drop, with stubborn ones never taking more than 15.

I know you've said it before that you've done this before, but are you sure you're in the right zones? Not all ARR zones gives crystals, spent about an hour on my last run of the relic in the wrong zone and wondering why I wasn't getting anything, then /facepalmed when I checked a guide and saw that zone I was in didn't drop any crystals.

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Originally Posted by Jib

1h?!!? .... let’s just say I won’t respond to you as I really wanted because prob I would get banned ... 1 hour!! Really!?! Twice you did it in 1 hour?!!! .....

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He said he didn't spend "more than an hour in any one zone". Getting one of the twelve pieces. Don't jump and respond so angrily, especially if you're then going to ask the next person whether they "actually read what [you] wrote or stopped half way"...



1-in-10 doesn't sound like terrible odds when you have infinite and constant chances like you do from FATEs. Though it is of course vulnerable to runs of bad luck.

I've only just picked up the atma quest myself, but I'm intending to do it slowly. Just get one piece in a session and then go do something else inbetween.

I understand all your comments and wont be responding more to thread. Thanks all of you for your feedback. Thread closed

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Again, not sure what to tell you, RNG is RNG. It just seems that you've run into some exceptionally bad luck with it.

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Which would be a fine response if she said that the quest is bugged and that she doesn't get atma when she should. She didn't.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

After the nerfs it usually took me only 5-6 Fates tops to get a crystal to drop, with stubborn ones never taking more than 15.

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And what she said is that she thinks it should take less time than even that due to how outdated the content is.


Basically, she said that the lvl50 relics are so outdated and useless by now, that they should reduce the grind significantly to make it more in-line with what you get from them. And I agree. Right now their biggest value is glamour and, more importantly, story. No part of the quest should take more than 1h or so in total, but one that'd take 2 or 3 would be acceptable if the rest would take a dozen or so minutes mostly. It is just too outdated to give it the "grindy relic" treatment. It's no different than some crappy high-quality gear you get from other sidequests in value anymore.

And this is what she's been trying to say all this time.

Of course...those of you who didn't understand it the first several times around probably won't still...but...meh. I didn't write here earlier so I could add my opinion on the suggestion anyway.

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It's no different than some crappy high-quality gear you get from other sidequests in value anymore.

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Please, show me where these crappy high-quality gear pieces from sidequests that I'll use as glam for the life of the game and have no equivalent except for, of course, the other long, drawn out quests might be hiding. Cause ive done every single quest (except a couple of the relic weapons) aaaaaaand I cant find em.


The grind is well worth doing if you want the special glowy weapons.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Please, show me where these crappy high-quality gear pieces from sidequests that I'll use as glam for the life of the game and have no equivalent except for, of course, the other long, drawn out quests might be hiding. Cause ive done every single quest (except a couple of the relic weapons) aaaaaaand I cant find em.

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First, glamour is personal taste.
Second, I compared the relic to the high quality items based on its practical usefulness.

In case you didn't notice, I didn't suggest turning these quests into 1-minute fetch quests to remove the grind completely. I suggested the grind to take a total of several hours, all quests included. That is an amount of time better suited to get fancy glamour in this game. Stuff like Wolf Mark glamour, getting the items to craft glamour (including the "special glowy armors") etc shows that it's a better-suited "price" for glamour.

The only real problem I have with the ARR relic is the craftables needed for it. We are almost into 5.0 and you STILL can't buy them with currencies, making a Glamour Piece some what expensive to obtain. As much as I hate Eureka at least I don't have to pay crafters for a relic... YET anyway...

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

The only real problem I have with the ARR relic is the craftables needed for it. We are almost into 5.0 and you STILL can't buy them with currencies, making a Glamour Piece some what expensive to obtain. As much as I hate Eureka at least I don't have to pay crafters for a relic... YET anyway...

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Can't you buy the crafted items at Grand Company for seals? They don't even need to be HQ anymore.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Can't you buy the crafted items at Grand Company for seals? They don't even need to be HQ anymore.

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That's the Heavensward Relic. not the ARR relic. The ARR relic still needs crafted items that use desythasis materials which is what makes them some what expensive.

Edit: Not to mention a crafted HQ weapon with 3 materia in it just to start the thing.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Is this a bad time to point out that the Atma drop rate was even smaller back when it was relevant?

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It was pure hell when first introduced. And no lie it took me 3 months to get the darn atma in Southern Thanalan while friends got theirs the first few weeks

Huh. But I have done one recently and only needed 1h to have all of them + extra because I did it with someone else. It's at a point that I droped 1 atma every 2 fates. At worst 10 for one of them. Then completed the whole relic the day after.
Even when that was new I did that step in 2 days.

You must be really unlucky.

The drop rate on the atmas is relatively high, and going hours without one is a vast statistical improbability, so I'm far more inclined to believe that they made a mistake.

I suspect the OP probably didn't read the quest text very thoroughly, and hunted for an Atma in a region that didn't actually have one. I made that mistake about a month ago.

There are no atmas in:
- Eastern La Noscea
- South Shroud
- Northern Thanalan
- Coerthas / Mor Dhona

I wasted an hour or two hunting some of these zones before I realized my mistake.

Alternatively, maybe they forgot to equip their Zenith weapon.

With all the nerfs it's been through, Atmas have somewhere around a 25% drop rate (maybe 20% or 30%, but something like that anyway). The last one I did, I got all 12 in a day without much trouble. Admittedly, it was a Saturday, when I could play longer than I might have on a weeknight, but it still seemed more like a nerfed version of a former grind than something still worthy of being called a grind.

The books take a lot longer, though at least their content is varied, and that helps quite a bit. I think the only nerf those have gotten is requiring fewer kills of the overworld mobs, though it's still the same number of types. (Well, that and making the required FATEs spawn regularly, which I regard as more of a fix than a nerf. The original implantation made waiting for the FATEs the worst chore — yuck.)

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

That's the Heavensward Relic. not the ARR relic. The ARR relic still needs crafted items that use desythasis materials which is what makes them some what expensive.

Edit: Not to mention a crafted HQ weapon with 3 materia in it just to start the thing.

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That starting one in the first relic quest no longer has to be HQ, just the specific crafted weapon with 2 specific grade 3 materia. (And now that we have NPC materia melders, you no longer need a crafter to do the melding part for you, though you'll still need to get the weapon itself from a crafter.)

I agree about the Zodiac Braves step, though. Eight HQ three star crafted items, one from each crafting class, each made using something that can only be obtained by desynth with that class (when even those of us who craft are limited to leveling desynth on at most three of them) is a major hurdle. And that comes on top of items from 16 dungeon runs, some pretty expensive GC purchased items, plus some Poetics and gil purchases. That's the step I'm currently on for my NIN relic, and it's the worst yet.