Pyros issues!

While Pyros is just worlds better than what Pagos ever was, I still have a couple issues with it!

1)Northern bunny fate, pyros hawks and bunnies just do not go together, those bees are in a horrible position and too many keep being pulled by people, by mistake or on purpose, and instant killing bunnies. Maybe move those mobs elsewhere or make bunnies invincible or something?

2)The high end logograms, curative, offensive, mitigation, yata yata, are not very spread out within eureka some are just way to hard or way to easy to get. Think it would of been better to have them drop elemental wise from mobs like people originally thought they did at 1st. Wind-curative, fire-offensive, tactical-lightning, that kind of thing and then just have bunnies give any type randomly from gold chest.

3)Little bit too much rng. Chance for bunny, chance for chest, chance for logograms, chance for good stat, chance for right stat amount. No like, no want, I personally enjoyed the long, tedious, but guaranteed way to go about relic weapons.

Oh yeah, and stop with the tiny paths filled with mobs, open area like Anemos was just soooo much better!

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

While Pyros is just worlds better than what Pagos ever was, I still have a couple issues with it!

1)Northern bunny fate, pyros hawks and bunnies just do not go together, those bees are in a horrible position and too many keep being pulled by people, by mistake or on purpose, and instant killing bunnies. Maybe move those mobs elsewhere or make bunnies invincible or something?

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Literally every single time I run this FATE! xD

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

2)The high end logograms, curative, offensive, mitigation, yata yata, are not very spread out within eureka some are just way to hard or way to easy to get. Think it would of been better to have them drop elemental wise from mobs like people originally thought they did at 1st. Wind-curative, fire-offensive, tactical-lightning, that kind of thing and then just have bunnies give any type randomly from gold chest.

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I joined a group to kill undead for mitigative logograms and got one in 60 kills. They may as well not drop them with a rate that pathetically low.

And I need offensive logograms that only come from bunnies. I've gotten multiple gold chests but I only ever get curative logograms. They really ought to rebalance some of these things a bit, but considering how they never fixed all the drops from Pagos being total crap I doubt they'll adjust these either.

You can actually get a lot of Mitigative Logograms from the level 43 Fire Sprites at the southern aetheryte, but only if you didn't out-level them beforehand. It's how I stocked up on well over 100 of them and now have more Shell L and Stoneskin L than I will ever need. A similar case is true for Fundamentals, although I long since out-leveled those by the time I learned what lower level sprite dropped them.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I joined a group to kill undead for mitigative logograms and got one in 60 kills. They may as well not drop them with a rate that pathetically low.

And I need offensive logograms that only come from bunnies. I've gotten multiple gold chests but I only ever get curative logograms. They really ought to rebalance some of these things a bit, but considering how they never fixed all the drops from Pagos being total crap I doubt they'll adjust these either.

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Yeah, definitely needs rebalancing, think having them spread out through elements would have been a much better way of going about it. Something like 20-30 of chaining having a high chance of logograms dropping as well. As for bunnies think its the cap they have with how many can be out really ruins it, apparently only like 50 or so bunnies can be out an about in an instance so a good chunk of people dont actually get them. If its like server limitations or something of that sort then I understand but they either need to find other ways to have those logograms drop, at the very very least give 1 of the high grade logograms for just completing the fate.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

You can actually get a lot of Mitigative Logograms from the level 43 Fire Sprites at the southern aetheryte, but only if you didn't out-level them beforehand. It's how I stocked up on well over 100 of them and now have more Shell L and Stoneskin L than I will ever need. A similar case is true for Fundamentals, although I long since out-leveled those by the time I learned what lower level sprite dropped them.

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We need a level sync more than ever.

My biggest gripe is the bunnies get in the damn way! You're trying to target the NM, but instead you get a bunny. It's annoying. You got to cycle through on the controller to finally focus on mob. This is whether it's a bunny NPC on their Fates or bunny pet fighting other NMs.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

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You can set multiple sets of filters in the config to combat this issue. I can't remember the exact one to select but there is one that ignores things like NPCs such as the bunnies, but otherwise it can be annoying targeting anything in some situations on controller. Trying to cycle through 40+ players fighting a single target just to get to the player you saw was dead on the floor, and by time you get to it someone else has raised them. Could definitely do with a Dead Players Only filter option in the config ..

If you do the bunnies in a zone that isn't full yet you will get one for sure.

What I don't understand is that its so rare in the first place. People will still do the content but to make them do it begrudgingly is just not healthy game design. Gold chests are already rare and on top of that mitigative, protective and offensive drops from them with the latter two being exclusive to gold chests. I've been playing since pyros launch and have only seen 2 gold chests and that's with roughly 8 hours a day. Excessive I know and I am aware I am addicted to this game, not to be confused with engaged, but that's why I don't like heavy RNG as it only rewards participation. Other people who have started at the same time as me have gotten the mount all 50 logos and also have gotten the hairstyle multiple times. Is this fair that my progression is tied to how often I show up as opposed to how I interact with content?

Not to mention the people who already have everything and still do bunnies for the MB resell. It's probably the best example of inflated RNG as the number of people participating in bunnies will always increase as more people hit 50 and your odds of getting a bunny, it surviving and getting a gold and getting the logoram continues to decrease. I average about 5-6 bunnies in 3 hours and I can't imagine how some people go longer than that without seeing 1.

Need more heatwaves. We just had half an instance killing bloodhliders for ages(enough to probably spawn her twice over) and got nothing. We now enter a 5hr period till next heatwave when she will probably spawn at 4/5am due to this massive pre farm we done now. (Ignoring fact this instance will be long dead by then anyway)
Same yesterday, lots of pre farm, no spawn and it was a 3hr window to next heatwave, again putting it at 2/3 am.
In the first week I've seen Penthelisea twice, skoll 3 times and even ting yang twice.
IMO Skoll and Ying Yang should not be equal to or more than Penthelisea. T should be the other way around

Putting RNG on a relic is really, really dumb.

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Originally Posted by Rhus

Need more heatwaves. We just had half an instance killing bloodhliders for ages(enough to probably spawn her twice over) and got nothing. We now enter a 5hr period till next heatwave when she will probably spawn at 4/5am due to this massive pre farm we done now. (Ignoring fact this instance will be long dead by then anyway)
Same yesterday, lots of pre farm, no spawn and it was a 3hr window to next heatwave, again putting it at 2/3 am.
In the first week I've seen Penthelisea twice, skoll 3 times and even ting yang twice.
IMO Skoll and Ying Yang should not be equal to or more than Penthelisea. T should be the other way around

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Same exact issue in my instance. Hours of prep and no spawn. Then 6 hours until next heat wave. Was hoping she'd pop because I just got 50 and wanted you finally fight her.

is that true the southern 43 fire sprites drop mitigative logos?

Exact same issue again tonight. Farmed but no spawn...4.5 hrs to next heatwave. It's the only thing holding me back from the third step.

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Originally Posted by Kusanagi7

is that true the southern 43 fire sprites drop mitigative logos?

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That's what I've heard. I was in a group that wanted to pop the doll during a heatwave to cheese the FATE level sync in order to get them, but it didn't pop.

With how easy it is to level I'm starting to consider deleveling to get them. Might wait until after the hotfix thursday though, just in case.

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Originally Posted by Rhus

Exact same issue again tonight. Farmed but no spawn...4.5 hrs to next heatwave. It's the only thing holding me back from the third step.

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Maybe they made her spawn like the Cassie spawn mechanics with the RNG or there's some kind of other spawn mechanic we don't know about/bugged. Was in an instance where people were up there killing moths for 1-2 hours and it didn't end up spawning during heat. Since the placeholders seem to be up all the time it might have a different spawn mechanic than Paz/Louhi whose placeholders are only up at night.

Sounds eerily similar to Cassie which if true would be awful. If it's just literally killing hundreds of them they should probably increase the lockout timer or space the heatwaves out more.

There is also a hotfix tomorrow, not sure if they are going to touch Pyros though.

well we were lucky after hours of no heatwaves she spawned... still sucks.

That's lucky, we waiting 7 hours for heatwaves and it was over in 20 minutes. Also in middle of killing the trash eldthurs pops. Knew it was over the very second that happened. Sure enough he dies, heatwave ends... no penthesilea. I logged off then. 5 days now without a sighting. Last 3 days it's been hampered by a 3hr, 5hr and 7hr (till next heatwave) I dread to log in tomorrow to find out heatwaves have been cancelled from the weather cycle all together /('o')\

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Maybe they made her spawn like the Cassie spawn mechanics with the RNG or there's some kind of other spawn mechanic we don't know about/bugged. Was in an instance where people were up there killing moths for 1-2 hours and it didn't end up spawning during heat. Since the placeholders seem to be up all the time it might have a different spawn mechanic than Paz/Louhi whose placeholders are only up at night.

Sounds eerily similar to Cassie which if true would be awful. If it's just literally killing hundreds of them they should probably increase the lockout timer or space the heatwaves out more.

There is also a hotfix tomorrow, not sure if they are going to touch Pyros though.

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I dont see any wrong whit she, I have orbs for 5 or 6 weapons already and normally after killing 1-2 chains of months spawn for me.

You must just be very lucky with timings then as most people I've spoke to have between 0 and 1 weapons and have barely seen her (myself included) as I said, I reached 50 lvl on Friday night and have seen her once since then (giving me 3 orbs) and that was Saturday. Haven't seen her since. Seen both Skoll and Ying Yang twice since then.
The only positive is it is letting me stockpile crystals as I cannot complete step 3 on my first relic yet and I refuse to use them on a second till I've completed my first..mostly as if it takes this much to spawn her (combined with low fate numbers due to excessive bunbuns and subsequent low crystal yield) I might not even bother with a second and just get my main done and dusted.

3 hours of prep over two instances and no pop either time. Last time my timer ran out before final heatwave which may have popped her, but couldn't get back in same instance. Instance I got put in didn't rven start prepping her. Apparently, you have to not only plan your entire day around popping her, you need to plan your instance to make sure you have maximum.heat wave up time.

Such bad design.

Edit: Left the instance that doesn't prep her and somehow got into my previous one and finally got her down. Just one more time.