Lets talk about Pyros Quest placement (spoilers?)

Ok so this isn't a big "Eureka sucks!" thread. This is an honest question regarding the placement for the story quests in Eureka.

So I reached lvl 50 today and began the lvl 50 quest. and I headed towards the location indicated and I died, proceeded to have my party and shout chat ignore me and let me de-level. I am honestly extremely frustrated to be quite honest. and I will show you why.

https://i.imgur.com/7kJ9t7i.jpg?1

You see when Eureka was first launched we were told that we could solo it if we so desired. However this has become less and less the case as time goes on. Especially in the instance of quest locations. They are clearly placed in locations that require the aid of others. I've escorted lower levels to their level quest which was surrounded by throngs of enemies several levels above them. but the executable was always tucked away in a safe place.

But this location is absolutely ridiculous. its literally a narrow hallway surrounded by enemies 5 levels above you that will one shot you if they see you. and the executable is literally within aggro range of said lvl 55 enemy.

It isn't fair to tell players they can play one way and then punish them for playing said way. Almost no one responds to rez call outs. and in some cases a players party will completely ignore them if its inconvenient. Its not fair to place executables for quests in areas where the player is subjected to undue risk of loosing levels or spending hours trying to find a party that is interested in anything other than bunny fates.

I haven't made it to Pyros because I'm still stuck in Pagos, and if it's not because of the BS leveling system there, it's because I'm in a similar situation as you. I learned the soul-crushingly hard way that the level 25 quest point cannot be reached travelling along the Val River Belly (a path that would make the most sense given the reasonable progression of enemy levels relative to your own there) but instead forces you to go all the way around through Brushtip Gap and Agaric Rock - a trek that is made much more painful without the ability to use mounts and the level 30+ mobs with ridiculously long tethers that can take you down faster than the Chaos Data Center.
I have been reluctant to finish that quest for that reason.
What boggles my mind is how SE expects players to do this, let alone solo. I'd really like (and I'm using 'like' very loosely here) to start leveling outside of challenge logs, but it's damn-near impossible to when there's a terrible risk of losing progress and the higher-leveled playerbase is seemingly apathetic.

Don't worry about doing those Pagos quests until you're 35. They don't even give you magicite anymore as an incentive to do them as early as you can; you literally get just rocks. Way to motivate the players, devs.

It's been a problem since Anemos really. Lv13 magicite in the waterfall area crawling with Lv17+ enemies; Lv17 magicite in the northeast caves full of enemies you can never outlevel because they're above your Lv20 cap.

It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.

https://i.imgur.com/BJPwqd3.png

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.

https://i.imgur.com/BJPwqd3.png

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When I saw they added stealth I thought it would be the most useful action ever... until I learned you can't get it unless you farm heat boxes, which people do at max level after they no longer really need stealth.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

When I saw they added stealth I thought it would be the most useful action ever... until I learned you can't get it unless you farm heat boxes, which people do at max level after they no longer really need stealth.

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Mutated mobs are fantastic for levelling. A party member got 1.8mil Exp when a mob mutated on chain 30 and was 6 levels higher than him. And if you don't want to chain then you can just buy the Tactical Logograms on the MB.

You also unstealth when interacting with the magicite, so it won't protect you from getting ganked regardless.

Still better then how Anemos thought it was a good idea to subject you to a lengthy cutscene while within aggro range of enemies, though. You're invincible until it finishes, but once it does, you'll probably hit the floor.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Mutated mobs are fantastic for levelling. A party member got 1.8mil Exp when a mob mutated on chain 30 and was 6 levels higher than him. And if you don't want to chain then you can just buy the Tactical Logograms on the MB.

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None on the MB and most people don't chain to level.

What I've been doing is unlock the quest and wait until an NM spawns near there and take the train to the location and get it safely. Same thing with aetherytes. It's worked for me on all 3 locations.

Why would you undertake a quest like that by yourself? The idea that it's in a difficult place isn't bad but it does take a bit to understand going alone isn't the best way to go about it. The 35 Pagos quest is quite similar when doing it for your mount as well.

Just wait until that glider walks the other way, then get it. Dont cast Return while you stand there. I did both parts of 50 quest solo (I actually died several times coming to raise *other* people that died doing it solo though, so take that with a grain of salt).

As a solo player, what really bothers me is logogram acquisition. I would like to farm solo for them, but instead I'm forced to do bunnies, forced to be in a party, forced to farm mutated mobs in the boring, pull-everything style on singhas/etc. I liked Pagos because I could solo it entirely and always make some progress at my own pace. None of that would be an issue if you didn't need *every logogram* for armor, or if there are Level 50 sprites that drop a variety of logograms. I don't mind doing any of this, but I'd like the choice. Sometimes I want to go sit in the corner of a map for 2 hours killing something, and walk away with something to show for it.

I think Pagos' level 35 wall is far worse. Morbols + Griffins. Even with a group that sucked.

AND those griffins had true sight, so no just sneaking in as a ninja

Impatient one aren't you, it's one enemy & if wait til it turns from that wall you'll have plenty time get in & out unharmed.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Umbra

Impatient one aren't you, it's one enemy & if wait til it turns from that wall you'll have plenty time get in & out unharmed.

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This.

I did this quest and the 2nd part by myself w/o any issue. As above poster said, when I got there the moth was staring right at the quest objective, so I waited just inside the entryway to the fire arena area until the moth moved. As it moved I had ample time to get to the the objective, interact with it, then get back to safety in the entryway all before the moth moved again.

The real fun was the 2nd part, because I had used Return to after Part 1 it was still on cooldown after I got the 2nd objective... so I had to walk back out so that I could get to an NM that had spawned in the instance I was in.

Yeah, you NEVER want to try the first part of the 50 quest alone, it's death. For all those who have not done it yet; the easiest way to do this is just be patient and wait for a Penny prepping party and join it. That's what I did, joined a prep party, was escorted by a level 50 tank who pulled everything in front of me allowing me to easily get there. Ressed him and grabbed the quest marker while I was there. Also killed Penny and got lots of crystals, logos and the flames I needed.

The 2nd part is not hard, I did it solo. The monster amounts are low and it is easy to avoid them. But don't do this at night in case you get hit and aggro the ashkin, who will be around then making things harder. If you want to be sure though, do it while the fate is going on there so you will have people close by to res if needed.

As for soloing logos, you can easily do the bunny fates solo instead of having to join a group all the time since so many are around for them. I do it all the time and get silver or gold rankings depending on when I get there and many bunnies. I was soloing it before 50 and got the full exp amount for it too.

Sprites, thanks to logos, can be done solo too without much effort, though it is MUCH more efficient in a party for this.

The special lockboxes? Nope, can't do it solo, WAAAY too dangerous because of the mutations and you need to get the chain up fast to really start getting many of them. Groups only.

NM's? Well if you want gold level crystals and light amount, probably grouping is better. Solo, you might get as high as silver unless you can put a lot of damage out. Plus, you gotta hope someone will res you if you die since you don't have a party.