Dear SE,
A lot of ppl were pessimistic of Bluehole studio's TERA ( http://tera.enmasse.com/ ) and if it would even release in USA.
Well... It's coming in May. A MMO that has various already well established selling points and an eagerly awaiting fan base which is already participating in their closed betas. The betas are reportedly close to error free (due to the game already having been released in Korea and bug tested there).
My question to you, SE, is what do plan to create in FFXIV that could contend with a MMO that is virtually ready-to-go and offers players a skill oriented non target based experience?
Now a lot of posters are going to wonder why I'm posting this? Well I can assure you it isn't for negative reasons so refrain from bashing me.
Let me explain my worries: I play on a rather well populated server, Lindblum. All I have heard about lately is ppl talking about TERA and how much better the Beta is than any other fully released MMO currently out.
Since I started hearing all this TERA talk, FFXIV friends of mine have stopped logging into FFXIV and Ul'Dah seems to be less populated than usual.
Now I have no exact measurements or facts but I "feel" like ppl are leaving to go play TERA.
Normally I wouldn't worry about this, but then I start thinking about FFXIV's track record and how the majority of what I used to believe was "epic fixes/content/promises" coming in 2.0... I start realizing that as much as I hate to think I wasted time pointlessly leveling in FFXIV just to end up with a mediocre MMO experience some years from now.
I almost refrained from writing this thread, cause I know ppl reading this are going to make the "grass is always greener on the other side of the hill" analogy. But seriously I love FFXIV and am highly agitated that even I, who put every day and free hour into FFXIV, agree that TERA has better mechanics than FFXIV is even promised to have.
I guess I'm trying to say: You better deliver SE!
I know SE and Bluehole are two different companies and I know FFXIV and TERA are completely different games. I'm just very disappointed. Idk what else to say. I feel like SE owes me and you all more than they've promised.
What is everyone else's view? Do you agree SE still needs to offer more in FFXIV? Aren't you tired of "filler/time wasting" content that doesn't offer extended benefits or a great sense of accomplishment?
Before you respond to this topic go to YouTube and watch a few TERA NA CB1 vids to see what I'm talking about. Do research before you jump in here white knighting.
Be honest. Be polite and please refrain from ignorance/belligerence when responding to this topic. Thanks.
*huggles*
AJ~
TERA vs. FFXIV
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02-19-2012, 01:46 PMAreeyaJaideeTERA vs. FFXIV
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02-19-2012, 01:54 PMTypeZSorry, TERA not my type of game. and it wont last Q.QQuote:
Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee
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02-19-2012, 01:56 PMAreeyaJaideeWell there's 1. Also no need to apologize. I didn't make TERA and the point of this thread is to raise awareness and hopefully push SE to think beyond grindfest content.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeZ
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02-19-2012, 02:04 PMXatsh
Tera has failed in every place it has released to date more or less.
The games are not even similiar.
Square does not have to do anything to compete with it, they are targeting different player bases.
In the end no mmo will kill XIV, only SE can do that.
Tera is the new mmo on the block, all the drooling over it and such. Now if you look at it globally, Tera is doing pretty poor. The NA release is their final shot to save TERA more or less. The question really is what can Tera do to stand up against XIV 2.0 and GW2. -
02-19-2012, 02:14 PMJashynvald
Okay, where to begin....?
Surprised? Really? Vindictus has been out for a long while now. If it wasn't for the lack of content and interesting systems outside of combat I'd have never left that game. I will be interested to see how TERA goes about utilizing the systems they have in place to adapt that kind of combat flow to an open-world setting (whereas the Vindictus design was based on a linear model).Quote:
Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee
TERA is an MMO, just like FFXIV is. Their entire business model built on filler content and Skinner Boxes. The wallpaper and paint job is different and there's some new toys laid out to have fun with but the rate of player consumption cannot keep up with the developer's ability to implement new stuff and PvP is a stagnating Möbius strip of content (birds fly, cows moo, and MMO-players complain about PvP imbalance on top of that).Quote:
Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee
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02-19-2012, 02:15 PMDoctorMog
Im in the tera beta. Teras battle mechanics are nice. Thats about all it has going for it.
Tera has no endgame. Even in the Korean version, they have nothing to do but pvp.
A LS member has a max rank character on Korean Tera. He got bored and thats why he plays FFXIV.
So Tera is not the MMO killer you think its going to be. -
02-19-2012, 02:16 PMFiosha_Maureiba
As well intended as this thread may be, it will be locked due to its contents.
Any response at length from me shall be destroyed here when the thread is locked/destroyed, but will mental note my thoughts for now. -
02-19-2012, 02:20 PMNoctisUmbra
You've acknowledged that they are 2 different games. In the heart of it that really is the major factor here. As for what FFXIV needs, it's 2.0. Until then everything really is only filler content. The reason they've been working on 2.0 is because they know they won't be able to make a quality MMO out of their current engine.
TERA looks awesome. I hear a lot of good things about it and I applied for the beta myself to no luck. I've watched plenty of vids out of genuine curiosity though. One thing to note though, that the lack of players in game these days and in the pst couple weeks can at least partially be attributed to the release of XIII-2. Though many players avoided it outright due to the stigma associated with XIII, or because they themselves did not enjoy the prequel, XIII-2 is quite the solid game as far as an FF iteration goes and has been popular with the people who played it. I know I've been absent because of it as well as a number of players from my circle of friends in game.
Ultimately though, I feel like the difference in gameplay will be a major deciding factor for lots of people. I'm also sure a lot of current FFXIV players will know to at least wait and see how 2.0 is before they make a decision on which MMO to stick by.
One thing I say though, is I can only hope that TERA is very successful - as the competition can lead to a great future for both games. -
02-19-2012, 02:20 PMAreeyaJaideeNice post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xatsh
I'm interested. In what has TERA failed? I ask because I seriously don't know. Could you list some factual evidence please? Links would be nice.
I and everyone else know FFXIVs failings very well. Please help the comparison :D -
02-19-2012, 02:22 PMZenaku
TERA seem to want to target horny kids o.o every video i see it's just half nude Mage dancing to cast spells lol. Sadly i saw the gameplay of tera and i did not like it. You can't really compare FFXIV with a game like Tera maybe FFXI or FFXIV but like someone else tera it looking at other type of players.
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02-19-2012, 02:25 PMAreeyaJaideeQuote:
Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra
Agreed. Competition is good.
Agreed. We should all see what 2.0 actually is.
Im worried SE is overselling 2.0
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02-19-2012, 02:25 PMDeli
Tera's idea is not that new... there is a similar game called Dragon Nest are using exactly same battle style.
I played that for a while, but it's really not for me since I get motion sickness easily. XD (sometimes even when I ride choco, in XI or XIV, and stare at screen too long, I'll get dizzy too.)
I didn't see Dragon Nest doing well tho... similar graphics (dragon was 3 years ago), battle style... just Dragon Nest doesn't have animal char and are all instant based... at least in my first 3 days of dizziness playing experience.
I do see it's potential, but it's really back to personal preference... it's really tiring to smashing buttons all the time... -
02-19-2012, 02:27 PMAreeyaJaideeThat's relieving. Hope it stays that way xDQuote:
Originally Posted by DoctorMog
Go go FFXIV Endgame!
One could hope that isolated occurrence represents the entirety of TERA's player base. Then we won't have ppl running from XIV xD -
02-19-2012, 02:31 PMNoctisUmbraFair enough. It's to be the pivotal point in FFXIV - it will determine the success of the MMO and it's future. SE's got to sell it - and sell it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee
As a consumer all I'm doing is checking what they've got to offer, keeping track of their plans, and deciding for myself whether I find it interesting or not.
Nobody can argue against it being the most important milestone in the foreseeable future of XIV though. -
02-19-2012, 02:36 PMRydin
Inb4lock
Also I don't plan on playingCataclysm.... I meanrift... I meanDC Universe... I meanSW:TOR... I mean...
what game is this thread about again? -
02-19-2012, 02:38 PMfusional
i participated extensively in highly competitive endgame ffxi linkshells. i participated extensively in highly competitive endgame WoW guilds. i tried a lot of stuff on the side, and none of it could deliver that challenging, competitive endgame experience i was searching for. i came to ffxiv hoping for competition and challenge, for content that not only kept me busy but felt rewarding at the same time.
i haven't really felt much of that in this game. what little endgame we have is far too easy already, yet is still met by people calling it too difficult. we also seem to have an extremely vocal opposition to in these forums to anything resembling competition.
i'm not a roleplayer. i don't care about achievement points. i want my skills tested, against challenging content and other skilled players. i want to feel a sense of accomplishment from what i do. in ffxiv, we have a grind for the sake of having a grind. it's not hard. it's just there to act as a treadmill. this leaves me with no tangible feeling of satisfaction, no matter how quickly we beat a new primal or get 7/7 weapons.
ffxiv, for me, lacks passion and soul. and it really bums me out to say that, because i so desperately want this game to be good. i want this game to have epic story, something to do whenever i log on, and something to test my skill and push me to play better all the time. and i understand yoshi and crew are working toward that, but in the meantime... there just isn't much to keep me interested other than loyalty and hope for a better 2.0
my LS is really excited about tera and gw2. i was very skeptical about both, and remain skeptical of gw2 for many of the same reasons i was skeptical of swtor (and every other new MMO on the block). i give swtor credit for having a great questing system and good story, but then what? there's nothing else to the game. it's kotor with a faux-mmo architecture. there's no challenge. what little competition there is, is broken. and there just isn't any content. gw2 looks to be more empty "single player game in a massive online setting" crap, but maybe it will surprise me.
tera, though. i only gave it a shot because some LS members had played it back during korean beta, and were really talking it up. and boy were my misconceptions about the game shot to hell after a few hours. questing is old-style 'grindy' which may put off some people, but it makes sense in this game because you need to learn to play. and sure, it's fairly repetitive for a while, until you hit 20ish and can start doing the first instance and grouping up for BAMs. this is where the game REALLY takes off. the combat is fluid, responsive, twitchy and FUN. it takes perception, judgment, reflexes, skill. and that's a breath of fresh air to a person that's been aching for a new challenge.
doing 35+ dps on ifrit is cool, but it's not really hard. doing 80+ dps on moogle is cool, and a bit harder, but still doesn't compare to the kind of challenges i experienced in ffxi, like getting server first Bahamut V.2- and *certainly* doesn't compare to pushing for server first SSC/TK/BT/Hyjal/Sunwell progression in WoW. perhaps i'm a masochist, but i miss working at Alone in the Darkness (25) for weeks and weeks. the frustration sucks, sure. but that feeling of elation we got when we finally pulled it off- nothing in ffxiv compares to that. and it sucks.
tera seems like the best candidate right now to rekindle that sense of fun and excitement about new content. it seems like the best candidate for progression/competition-minded players. people who want to push their skills to the limit.
that's not to say it's going to be the end-all be-all of MMOs. i'd really, truly, honestly LOVE for FFXIV 2.0 to be that. nothing would please me more. there's a certain magic i feel in FF worlds that other MMOs lack, so if yoshi and company can pull this off, giving us that magic PLUS actual meaty challenging content to keep us on our toes- i'll be happy to throw my money at square until the servers shut down.
but in the meantime, the sad and brutal truth is simply that tera, for now, is just flat out a better game. the beta alone is better. i honestly didn't even *want* to like the game, because i do feel a sense of duty and loyalty in regards to ffxiv... but i just can't delude myself to reality.
i haven't had fun playing this game for a while now. and i'm having an absolute blast with Tera.
when i log out of ffxiv, i log back on because i'm bored and there's nothing else to do. i try to keep myself busy with little projects so i'll stay involved and not give up on the game entirely. and then i log into Tera, and i'm having fun, and i'm finding myself fiending for more whenever i log out.
i have my fingers crossed that 1.21 will deliver on some serious content. i have my fingers crossed it will get the ball rolling and keep us involved until 2.0. that's what i *want* to happen. but i'm skeptical. so i'll be here for every patch, i'll be here for all the new content, and i'll be here at least until 2.0-
but in-between patches, and in-between content... i just don't have much to keep me logging in to this game. tera is a better game right now, and that's probably what i'm going to be occupying myself with until 2.0. -
02-19-2012, 02:42 PMKyri
Tera excited me till I saw the armor but I respect that they work on the kinks so well. I wonder if they leave a thread with tags like : nerd rage anger butthurt hippies mad furfags rp rage besaid crybabies.leads to the dark side
up and allow whole threads to stay open against the ToS made with the sole purpose of harassment up. (goes to teras forums for a hf hr)Sadly.. I dont think they do
Im not a SE fanboy, I wont say they always do everything right but I can say I play everyday, I love the game, always have minus its issues, but it horrible that the only time we get our way is by complaining enough. -
02-19-2012, 02:43 PMAreeyaJaideeHmm... True. I hope FFXIV succeeds. So I won't feel like all this Gil I've been accumulating and having accomplished nearly everything to date wasn't a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra
Thanks for the positive posts Noctis. Been awhile since we talked and I respect your views as always. Good to see other posters that aren't posting for count+ or just to troll threads that others took the time to originate.
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02-19-2012, 02:53 PMfusionaltera isn't popular in korea because it lacks that eternal, retarded uphill treadmill grindy aspect that korean MMOs are known for. the pvp also inhibits a player's ability to run around randomly ganking everything in sight- which is another hallmark of korean MMOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee
in spirit, it's quite western. and the combat system is better than any i've experienced.
people say it lacks content/endgame, and looking at it objectively it absolutely does............ compared to established games like XI and WoW. compared to xiv, though? there is *far far far far far* more to do in tera. and, imo, you have a lot better time doing it there.
again, i've stood by xiv for a while now, and i want it to succeed. and i'm not abandoning it. but tera is just better in nearly every facet.
the only thing i could say it lacks is community, and community is one of the main reasons i was looking forward to xiv in the first place. but the community here sucks, too.
in xi, yeah HNM camps sucked. but sitting around for hours competing for claim, you got to know the people on your servers FAR better than you do in this game. there's no competition. everything is sectioned off in neat little instances where nobody has to fight with each other over anything. there's not even any reason to interact with anyone else outside of your group. and that sucks.
my LS rallied for 1.20, we beat moogle first day, we stuck around for about a week afterward... and then one by one we all completely lost interest. by the time they hotfixed the exploit most of us had completely stopped caring anymore. nobody even cared about speed run. we were all playing other games.
then in our boredom in between tera beta events, we decided we had nothing better to do... so we scheduled a couple moogle speed run attempts. most of us hadn't even been playing at all in the last month+, and it still only took us about 4.5 hours of attempts to get a sub-9 minute kill. so all it accomplished was rubbing in our faces the fact that this game is too easy and completely lacks any kind of tangible competition.
and now we're back to not caring anymore.
is tera considered a 'failure' in korea? yeah. but the japanese are enjoying it, europe is excited for it and it could be just what the doctor ordered for people who want something engaging that isn't WoW.
myself and my LS are more than happy to explore the game's possibilities while we wait (less and less patiently) for someone to inject XIV with the things it *really* needs *right now*.
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02-19-2012, 02:53 PMAreeyaJaidee
Yoshi/SE,
You see? Your players are dedicated with passion to what FFXIV "could" be. It's been said many times many ways. I don't know how much you realize this, but players really do care. Even the immature ones that post like 2nd graders!
You've got us all offensive and defensive about your project. Frankly we wanna know more. I personally think you need to give us more sales pitches. What exactly COULD End Game FFXIV look like? I know you withhold information for legal reasons but there must be more info you can give your players.
Just a thought :3 -
02-19-2012, 02:57 PMBaxta
TERA is not all that, my opinion is that it could be, but at the moment? Nope.
Remind you of another game? Im not generally a man of faith, betting on one game is enough for me. -
02-19-2012, 03:04 PMAreeyaJaideeHaha! You're very passionate! That's a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by fusional
I respect what your LS has accomplished in FFXIV. You guys know your stuff. I also respect your XI experience.
I share the same thoughts. FFXIV needs to give confirmation that End Game won't fail.
Several posts elude to the comparison of "End Games". I want to point at that that is because End Game is the majority of why MMOs exist. It's been debated and ratified many times.
That being said, yes the journey to end game matters as well.
The issue becomes wether a MMO can competently cater to all aspects of that genres needs. End Game has to be spot on and it also must be competitive. SE needs to drop this senile tunnel visioned "instanced content" trash just for the sake of "being nice". Games need competition.
That being said: FFXIV needs to sale it's future capabilities and more than just a few .pdf with dev notes on how "cool" FFXIV will be post 2.0 -
02-19-2012, 03:06 PMRydin
I think examining the differences are interesting though
From an artistic standpoint... Terra is more Fantasy looking... whereas FFXIV has a more realistic feel to the landscapes and character models
Many land features seem over exaggerated and many character features are played up for a more whimsical environment
A little too cutesy for me -
02-19-2012, 03:12 PMSniperRifle
Yea if 2.0 doesn't rape my mind I'll probably sever all ties w/ 14. I've been considering TERA for a while now... Regardless of whether TERA sucks or whether TERA doesn't, it doesn't change the fact my gaming experience in FF14 has been piss poor and I can't log on for the death of me w/o wanting to do something 10x more fun, like taxes, or stare at paint dry. It's been like this since Dzemael... And probably won't change (excluding patch weeks) until 2.0.
If this persists post 2.0, and there is still no clear defined annual goals for players to work towards I'm gonna have to bounce. I only come to the forums to troll for the lulz. I'm a pretty materialistic person, and spending money on a monthly fee is no issue to me, however, this first month of P2P for FF14 has definitely been one of the worst decisions I have ever made financially. I don't even care if the game improves... If it does I'll stick around, if not I won't resub, and I know Yoshi wouldn't blame me for walking out on this piece. -
02-19-2012, 03:15 PMAreeyaJaideeI lmmfao at "I can't log on for the death of me w/o wanting to do something 10x more fun, like taxes, or stare at paint dry."!Quote:
Originally Posted by SniperRifle
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02-19-2012, 03:17 PMRuisu
While I applaud TERA's new combat and fantastic world. It's build on the same dull quest system that WoW, Aion, SWTOR, and every other MMO has at this point in time. Will it be a solid game? Sure. I actually hope I can get into the closed beta to mess around a bit. But I have absolutely no intentions on sticking to that game, since I'm putting all of my time and money into this title. Games will pull people away, when they're bored with that they'll come back. That's usually how an MMO-enthusiast works, unless it's an exceptional MMO.
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02-19-2012, 03:17 PMTheFatHousecat
I basically mirror fusional's feelings :I
In my opinion, the only reason people are getting caught up in TERA (myself included), GW2, etc., is that there really isn't an amazing MMO out right now. Every MMO is lacking in some area that, while still playable, removes the desire to play it in the long-term.
XIV has the unique opportunity to be an amazing game that delivers in the areas that those games are lacking, depending of course on how 2.0 and post-2.0 goes. But the problem being we have to wait for that, and in the mean time the content we're getting is, frankly, boring, easy, and short-lived :/ I'm still excited for 2.0, and what this game could be, but until then I'm left knowing that the only reason I even bother playing anymore is the company of the people in my LS and friend list. -
02-19-2012, 03:24 PMKyriI would agree to this completely! I love this game, but I want to know more. When 2.0 information came out, everyone was so very excited. we wait and as the waiting goes on so many get so negative.. I play everyday to get my crafts up in the hopes I may make large amounts of money and get a relic someday, but everything is too easy.. I am now working on all 50 DoW/M on a secondary character. I want a challenge, XI was a challenge to me, granted I do not want to commit and dedicate as I did to XI, three day camps was far too much and i am very grateful this isn't the case here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee
I have very high hopes to 2.0 and will stay, but a bit more information would be very nice.
As for Tera, though I am a one mmo kind of gal this game had me looking for footage and applying to the betas (never did get one ; ;) for a long time. I wasn't into trying rift, and I would give SW a try for my husbands sake( he loves the SW sagas) but this is the only one outside of XIV that has had me on my toes. Thank you those playing for your information on the gameplay/community and endgame in this game, perhaps for if only a short time, I too could be a two mmo kind of gal, because this game really does appeal to me. But to the tera players are all armors really that bad(you know what I mean) and weapons so big? Im kind of hoping this might not be true ^^:
Also I give Kudos to Teras forums. They are much friendlier then I am used to and I am glad to see that respect is common on them. :) -
02-19-2012, 03:38 PMAreeyaJaideeGood stuff :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyri
I also think SE should go back to polls in order to vote things. These forums are full of impolite and ignorant ppl. I would like a way to cast my vote without wading through a plethora of retardation.
(Very true about TERA forums. I was checking them out. Wish FFXIV players would take some pointers from those guys over there :'( ) -
02-19-2012, 03:42 PMKyri
I thought polls were much better of an idea myself. I dislike forums here its too negative :( The polls were a wonderful idea and it would be even better if perhaps, we had a once over poll option upon log on so that those who will no longer come to forums due to bad nature may vote and know about them as well. If we did, I dont know if I would come here to be honest ^^:
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02-19-2012, 04:08 PMAreeyaJaidee
Hmm found some End Game... With incentive xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUQEg...e_gdata_player
That's pretty cool... -
02-19-2012, 04:10 PMBaccanale
Greetings, everyone!
Thank you for posting your concerns about the game, and for voicing your opinions about this matter. Please do keep in mind that our developers are always keeping a mindful watch on the online gaming community, and your feedback is always taken into consideration when making improvements to the game. Unfortunately, since this thread's main subject involves another game, it will have to be closed. However, we always appreciate your participation, and we hope that you continue to have constructive conversations for the good of our community!