[New Player Feedback] There are way too many dungeons before Level 70

There are probably more than 20 dungeons i never touched at level 60 but my questlog is full with finish this and this and this and i have no idea what might be important for futured content and whatever. And since i'm playing a Damage Class it would take way too long to queue for all these dungeons and primals. I really hope Square will remove dungeons up to 60 at least that are not important for the Campaign with the next expansion, else it is simply too much for a new player.

Remove content? Take away some of our options for things to do? Throw away the work that went in to designing these places? Im gonna say no. No, that is absolutely not a good idea. As a new player, i can offer a tip for you. If a dungeon is going to be required for the Main Scenario Questline(MSQ for short) then it will be unlocked by the MSQ. If an optional dungeon were to somehow get bumped up to the MSQ(say, you had to run the 2nd version of something thus forcing you to run the first version ahead of time - theyve never done it before in the MSQ but theres no rule ive seen that says they couldnt), then there would be an MSQ quest telling you to go run that dungeon(and pointing you to the unlock/giving you the unlock itself). All those extra optional unlocks? Those are optional, and you dont have to do any of them if your only concern is the main story.

Side note: Clearing all those quests from your journal doesnt have to take an eternity. If you use the partyfinder tool to try putting together a group you can probly find a few bonus-fiends who would be happy to help with most of the backlog. And for that matter, most of the level 50 dungeons can be cleared solo by a good level 60 BLM going in unsync'd - and all of them can be duo'd. The same is true of the level 60 dungeons at level 70. But if nothing else you can save all these quests for once youve caught up on the MSQ and feel like theres "nothing to do" at the end-game. Having a list of new places to explore, new fights to experience, and the like might be a good boost later on.

But again, removing content is never the right answer.

After you finish the MSQ, the only dungeons that are required are the ones that unlock the roulette's. Those will, if you have the quests to unlock them, show up as a list of names when you click the roulette info screen. Do those and you're done.

If you see question marks, it means you don't yet have the unlock quest for those and you can easily Google those. But if you have all desired roulette's unlocked and MSQ done, you can ignore the rest of the dungeons. I would suggest doing them as you have time because not only are they fun, but it gives you more options for the roulette's you've already unlocked, making your queue potentially shorter.

Also I have to agree with the above poster, removing content is NEVER a good idea. Period.

A lot of these are optional.

I've been playing through with an alt recently and here's what I did. I picked up the quests, I unlocked the dungeons, and for those that still had an open quest, I suppressed the quest. I've been doing main story on RDM and roulettes on tank or healer (road to 60 bonus) so I do the 50/60 roulette. If a new dungeon comes up in roulette, I open that quest after I'm done with the dungeon and I complete it.

No rush, no fuss, additional content available as I play, and extra tomestones on demand when I choose to queue for something specifically.

The optional Level 50 dungeons are the best. At least one boss as a unique mechanic. And Tam Tara HM is one of the best things in the game.

you have like the rest of forever to play the game. you'll get them all unlocked and run eventually. just doooooooooo it

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Originally Posted by Eve_The_Witch

There are probably more than 20 dungeons i never touched at level 60 but my questlog is full with finish this and this and this and i have no idea what might be important for futured content and whatever. And since i'm playing a Damage Class it would take way too long to queue for all these dungeons and primals. I really hope Square will remove dungeons up to 60 at least that are not important for the Campaign with the next expansion, else it is simply too much for a new player.

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So you are basically saying you want less content in the game?
Removing all the optional dungeons pre-level 70 would be just plain stupid and wasteful.

Except for the dungeons required to continue with the MSQ, all dungeons are optional.
Some of them might be necessary to do in order to unluck some other dungeon later on, but in those cases you can wait and do the first dungeon later on when you actually need it.

From a story and lore point of view all dungeons matter to some extent.
If that does not concern you, then you can just skip all the optional low-level dungeons without any dire consequences. Yes, all of them.

The optional content in the game is some of the best there is in it to do. I don't want to be restricted to a smaller pool of stuff to do. Where's the fun in that?

It may appear to be a staggering amount but only because a lot of the l50 and l60 dungeons were added one or two at a time per patch update. The added lore and subplots of the dungeons adds a lot to the game.

Like, one of the favorite subplots of the playerbase is that one concerning Edda. (Tamtarra》Tamtarra Hard》PotD)

Some of the best music even comes from the dungeons imo.

I suppose the complaint you have can be rectified by not utilizing that content. However, your complaint about wait times can be resolved by having friends que with you or having FC members party up. Or, use the Party Finder.

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Originally Posted by Heliantheae

And Tam Tara HM is one of the best things in the game.

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Why is this even optional???

Took me forever to bother doing it, thinking it would be yet another filler dungeon.

So you're new player, you don't know how the game works and why there are all this dungeons, and you want them to be removed.

Right...

Going to have to jump on the bandwagon here -- removing content is nonsensical, especially for a game that takes an episodic approach to new content/updates, unlike games like WoW that are designed to try and keep you playing ALL THE TIME. A lot of the (Hard) 50's are actually quite enjoyable - and all are optional. Considering how many classes there are to level up, getting a 'not done this one' surprise is something finite that should be appreciated, and of course roulettes later on once you have done them all to mix things up.

All you should be worrying about (as a new player) are dungeons used as a requirement of the main-story-quest(s).

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Originally Posted by MrMagic

Why is this even optional???

Took me forever to bother doing it, thinking it would be yet another filler dungeon.

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Why is it optional? Because Edda's story could have been considered complete at level 16. This other(lesser) group of adventurers went into a dungeon similar to the one you just did but they didnt all come back(good thing youre so tough). Adventuring is dangerous, maybe they should get a job on the family farm. The end.

But rather then end it there, a writer decided that maybe instead of meekly going back home to be "normal" the disaster of their group led to something more... interesting. For the main storyline's purpose, all that had to happen was us being shown to be special(and reinforcing how dangerous this is to help explain why we need to do so much). But given the option to look in and see how things have progressed without us can be fascinating(if well written). Some people stop thinking about things as soon as theyre over, others will wonder endlessly what happened next after they left. The hard mode dungeon revisits are for that second group.

And since someone called out Tam Tara(hard), ill call out a fave of mine. I love me some Lost City(both visits). The music is beautiful, the lore involving the war of the magi is interesting, the setting is almost like an alien planet, and lets not forget a certain boss who gets to play a bigger role in the Mhach raid series(and i still need to get me a morpho).

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Originally Posted by Eve_The_Witch

There are probably more than 20 dungeons i never touched at level 60 but my questlog is full with finish this and this and this and i have no idea what might be important for futured content and whatever. And since i'm playing a Damage Class it would take way too long to queue for all these dungeons and primals. I really hope Square will remove dungeons up to 60 at least that are not important for the Campaign with the next expansion, else it is simply too much for a new player.

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Any dungeon that you do not encounter through the MSQ is an optional dungeon. Meaning, you don’t necessarily have to complete them; you don’t even have to touch the quest. The only time you would have to do them would be if you want to unlock the Roulettes (mainly 50/60 Roulette, 70 Roulette, and Expert Roulette). Roulettes will be your main source of tomestones once you reach level cap and one way you get end-game gear, so eventually I would recommend that you work on unlocking them. But you do not need to do that right now; you can wait and do that once you reach level 70 and have more free time.

The only primals you will need to complete for Heavensward/level 60 MSQ are the ones you meet through the main scenario; there are only 4 trials in Heavensward required to complete for the MSQ—if you are following any sidequests (mainly the sidequests involving the Warring Triad), then you can put them on hold for now, as the completion of those trials are only needed for Trial Roulette. HW did not do like ARR did in that you have to complete all of the primal trials in order to progress with the MSQ. If you are unlocking any Extremes, those are not needed either, so, again, they can be put on hold. If you have unlocked any of the Heavensward 8-man raid (Alexander), those are also optional, and only needed to unlock the Raid Roulette. So they can also wait for now. If you’ve tried to unlock Savage raids, those are also not needed for the MSQ.



A lot of those dungeons, trials, and the 8-man raid were introduced in the patches between expansions, meaning they were supposed to be pieces of content to keep the playerbase occupied until the next patch or until the next expansion. That’s why they are there. They are not there solely for the reason of bombarding you with an excess of quests. I’m explaining this to you, because I think you’re unaware of why they exist. That’s the only reason I can think of that would cause you to advocate for removing them. There are already a lot of complaints about how barren patches are feeling lately, so please do not make requests to remove more content. Even dungeons.

My suggestion to you would be to just focus on the MSQ. None of the optional content from level 60 are needed to access content in the Stormblood main scenario, so you will not run into any roadblocks. You will have plenty of time to go back and complete them, even with a DPS queue. If you would like a fast queue, then I would recommend making friends with a tank or healer, or leveling a tank or healer yourself. Tanks get virtually instant queues for most dungeons, and healers rarely wait much longer than a few minutes.

Pls dont take this as an insult and i rly get you and all but NO, just no. We already have way too few dungeons, are dammed to run the same 2 or 2+1 expert dungeons for like half a year and you want even less dungeons?

wish I had 20 new dungeons to do :)

The dungeons and raids are an integral part of the MMORPG experience.

Most people will run a dungeon/raid once for MSQ/story purposes, and the next time its from daily roulettes.

At least in this game, you can find people to run lower level content with, as compared to other MMORPGs where lower level dungeons/raids are forgotten as soon as new end game content is released.

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Originally Posted by Kaiten_kenbu

The dungeons and raids are an integral part of the MMORPG experience.

Most people will run a dungeon/raid once for MSQ/story purposes, and the next time its from daily roulettes.

At least in this game, you can find people to run lower level content with, as compared to other MMORPGs where lower level dungeons/raids are forgotten as soon as new end game content is released.

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Why do we have an open world then if all we're going to do is teleport into instances for eternity.

Being someone who stays fairly up to date since 1.0 I have to say I'm not really a fan of how many dungeons we have in total. SE is happy with their hamster wheel but I think we need something besides dungeons, give us sieges or battle fronts to fight or support on. Dungeons are just strait and boring, it was cool the first 5 of them but the difficulty has never grown and they don't change anything but graphics. For anyone not keeping up with the content and joining in it can definitely seem like a lot, I myself dont know half the lore of the dungeons because they dont put hardly any effort into the writing except for the dumb Hildebrand quests and some of the main story. I also am not such a big fan of reusing old zones to make "hard" versions, there is never anything "hard" about them if you have even the minimum ilvl gear to attempt them they are just another strait tunnel with two checkpoints and final boss.

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Dungeons are just strait and boring, it was cool the first 5 of them but the difficulty has never grown and they don't change anything but graphics. For anyone not keeping up with the content and joining in it can definitely seem like a lot, I myself dont know half the lore of the dungeons because they dont put hardly any effort into the writing except for the dumb Hildebrand quests and some of the main story.

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Nice paintbrush you're waving. You don't like dungeons? That's perfectly fine - but keep in mind that you're not everyone. I'm the opposite - I absolutely LOVE the fact that there is a gargantuan list of dungeons, trials and raids in the mix. Even if you've played as much as I have, to a point where you've done everything at least once, variation is still welcome. Meanwhile in games like WoW you'll be running the exact same handful of Mythic dungeons constantly. WoW essentially has a similar dungeon-list to FFXIV, yet the only time 90% of them are made relevant is during Timewalking events (which is a temporary 'sync' like we have permanently) or when levelling a new character, otherwise it is dead and buried content.

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I also am not such a big fan of reusing old zones to make "hard" versions

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Do not mistake a copy/paste with added difficulty for what (Hard) dungeons actually are - completely different experiences, often with different routes than the original, different mobs, completely different bosses etc. Go to Haukke Manor (Normal) for example and tell me Haukke Manor (Hard) is a mere 'remake' of the original. It's not. Aside from utilizing similar (not always 'same' assets) they are NOTHING alike, with the Hard version being an extension of the story for the standard Manor dungeon. The latest revamp of Saint Mocianne's Arboretum is another good example - aside from references to the original tunnels and using the same theme, they are two completely different beasts.

I genuinely don't understand how anyone could complain so long as these dungeons remain optional. You don't like them? Well then, you don't HAVE to do them, other than those tied to the MSQ. It is simply beneficial for those who wish to unlock roulettes to do every dungeon at least once, which could be done as a huge batch back-to-back, or left for other classes you wish to level up whenever you have the MSQ done and dusted.

Removing content for no reason other than "I don't like dungeons and there's loads of them" is nonsense.

OP can't be serious. 'Too much for a new player'...? Couldn't disagree more! As a new player I was totally looking forward to exploring all those dungeons and trying out everything this game has to offer.

What OP is saying is a complete absurd.

Are you complaining about content? What even is this.

This is the problem with the new generation of gamers.They just want to rush to the end game stuff and then complain about lack of end game.
Its better to have all that variety of dungeons.Not just as a new player but for an old player too.
As a new player you get plenty of gateways to mechanics that feature in harder content.This better prepares you for this in the long run.
As for old players it means that when they do roulettes they get more variety in their daily roulette which would get really boring fast if it was the same set of dungeons over and over like in the days of 2.0

There are too many weapons in this game. I think SE should remove all the weapons, and just give everyone a big stick.

There are too many NPCs in this game. I think SE should remove all the NPCs, and just have the main character do what he wants.

There are too many players in this game. I think SE should remove all the online aspect, and just have a loading screen loop endlessly.