As my title asks: is it allowed to do art commissions for USD/paypal (not gil, cuz I'm pretty sure that would be classified as RMT) through FFXIV game and forums?
Is doing USD art commissions allowed on FFXIV?
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10-23-2018, 08:25 AMMOZZYSTARIs doing USD art commissions allowed on FFXIV?
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10-23-2018, 08:36 AMHyperiaI do not believe any kind of RMT is allowed on SE's properties due to legalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR
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10-23-2018, 08:38 AMMOZZYSTAROh, okay, so it's not just giving gil a RL currency amount type deal (I can't think of the word). Thanks for responding, Hyperia :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperia
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10-23-2018, 08:56 AMDustytomeAccording to TOS, no: http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_enQuote:
Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR
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2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.
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10-23-2018, 09:48 AMKisaiTenshiQuote:
Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR
Keep in mind that also applies to selling or profiting off ANY website by using FFXIV trademarks and copyrights. If someone wants to sell art commissions, just advertise that you do art comissions, "even your avatar/toon from a MMORPG" and just include that in your social media profiles. You could also just start a Patreon and go "suggest something to draw" at some tier and people can suggest whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
Just don't do it inside the game because regardless of any ToS, if one person does it, then everyone else will try it, and because the game is not a safe way to do commissions, players will be defrauded. That's the entire reason why all RMT is bad, as the fraud risk is extreme. To give you an idea, let's say you say you'll do a comission for someone, and then because someone recognizes your character from the forum and then pretends to be you, on another server, and then runs off with a players money, it comes back to you.
For advertising on the forum, again that ToS item is meant to prevent people from creating threads to advertise an unsanctioned service and flooding the forum with everyone else who wants to offer something similar. Just draw a mini-comic for your sig, and link it to your social media profile or your art site. -
10-23-2018, 10:21 AMJackHatchet
Sounds like damage meter rules. Commonly accepted. Don't ask. Don't tell!
You can always pull a grocery store and give out free samples while inciting potential customers to ask for more than a taste.
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I also find social media communities on Discord and Facebook to be a good place to advertise stuff. There's lots of server-specific groups you can join and hawk your wares, or inquire about services. I used to know someone who did art for fantasias all the time. -
10-23-2018, 12:43 PMCanadane
Selling commissions for IRL money isn't RMT.
Yes, you're trading real money in this transaction, but it's not for ingame items or currency. So on that regards you're clear.
Profiting off the game however, as others have said, is technically against the ToS.
But this seems to be in the same regards that parsing is technically against the ToS.
Honestly you'll be fine.
D...do you need a customer? I'm actually seeking something unrelated! -
10-23-2018, 07:51 PMFhaerron
Devian Art is filled to the brim with art based off various games including this one where you can buy prints, posters and such.
I wouldn't worry to much about this. -
10-23-2018, 09:05 PMAerlanayep ! RMT = real money against in game currency/service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
For the art, we are more on copyright and similar shits. And to answer.
Nintendo are probably the top world to block any "fanmade" thing from what they own. And they cant stop fan art (let's see browsette :-° )
If SE begins to strike on those things, there will be a really hard backfire...
So, real answer : forbidden.
Fact : you can. -
10-23-2018, 11:04 PMSigma-Astra
As an actual professional artist, let me just weigh my experience and thoughts on this.
Selling fan art that has been made solely by yourself isn't considered RMT, however, there are many grey areas and lines that you can cross and ones where you shouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. I would be careful about advertising such things on the official forums themselves through a new topic/thread simply because it is a reportable thing and could be considered advertising or spam if someone was really petty enough. However, that being said, there's nothing against the rules as far as I am aware of that you can't advertise your tumblr or DeviantART page through your own signature. So, that is probably going to be the best way you could advertise your freelancing without someone's jimmies getting rustled over it (so long as your link doesn't contain a virus or unsavory images like pornography).
Now, usually creating fan art grants you the Creative Commons License in which you have sole ownership and trademark over what you yourself has created. Still, license or not, that won't stop art thieves or copycats from stealing your hard work. Depending on what country the thief originated from and depending on their....personality....usually once something is stolen there's very little you can do about it besides asking them politely to NOT do it. I mean, you could try to sue them, but the costs of legal action is probably not worth it. That's one of the sadder parts of freelancing your art and posting it on the internet since a lot of people think anything on Google is fair game to copy and steal as their own (it's not, don't do it).
Regarding the trademark and infringement topics, in order for someone to claim that what they make is truly fan art and no where near the capacity of the original, it has to CLEARLY look like your own self-made style with various tweaks, etc. Tracing original art is NOT fan art, it's stealing. I don't care how much time and effort it took you to trace over that trademarked and already existing character, it's not your own art. If it looks anywhere exact or close enough towards the original. You stole it, plain and simple. I don't care if you changed the hair color or eye color, or whatever, it's still stolen work and it's rude.
Companies that I have learned over the years to stay away from because they do not take kindly towards anything and will jump at you the first chance they get are Marvel and Disney. Other companies like Nike, Apple, etc don't really take kindly towards you using their logos without permission either, but that's an entirely different part of the field and subject matter away from fanart.
The bottom line is to just be smart about it. You know when you've done something wrong or stole something. You know when you've made something too close towards someone else's work. It's fine to use other artists as inspiration and role models, but those artists don't want you to copy their styles exactly either. And it's good to know that not everything you find on tumblr, Google, Instagram, pinterest, and other social media are fair game to use without someone's permission. References are okay, but that's all they should stay as, as references...and your final product should not look perfectly too close towards the reference pieces. -
10-23-2018, 11:15 PMBright-Flower
There are many artists online you can approach that will happily do FF XIV commissions.
Just don't use the game or official forums to facilitate it if you want to be safe. I have several commissions of my characters and haven't had any issue because I didn't communicate the artists in game, I found them through their own sites/tumblr/deviant arts etc. -
10-24-2018, 01:53 AMAmemeAmeklin^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra
As another artist and having also worked for a professional printing company that had to deal with internet copyrights and stolen images, this post is correct and you should take it all to heart. -
10-24-2018, 02:51 AMJackHatchetNow you've piqued my curiosity. I was under the impression that 'fan art' can't be sold commercially, because fan art is already infringing on copy-right protection. So why does it even matter if it's traced or not?Quote:
Tracing original art is NOT fan art, it's stealing.
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10-24-2018, 03:10 AMJackHatchetYou can't legally sell fan art--even if you created it yourself. So you wouldn't be able to legally profit from it regardless. Creative Commons basically says "I made this, but you can use it, and also the original creator of the copy-righted material can't sue you (or me) for it. So why does it even matter if someone 'steals' it. What the heck are they going to do with it? You can't legally sell it. They can't legally sell it. Why does ownership even really matter at that point? Fan art should be about fun and doing something you enjoy because you have a passion for it or the character you want to pay tribute to.Quote:
Now, usually creating fan art grants you the Creative Commons License in which you have sole ownership and trademark over what you yourself has created. Still, license or not, that won't stop art thieves or copycats from stealing your hard work.
Art is always so weird. I'm an artist too, and I've never felt offended when people steal or use my work. I do (non-fan) art because making art is fun. Whatever happens to it after I'm done with it--I could care less. But It always comes off as super hypocritical when people cry bloody murder about stolen art, and yet half their portfolio is fan-art of copy-righted characters.
Ah, you got me all ranty. ^.^ I still love art, but the art community just pisses me off sometimes. It's like somewhere along the lines people stop doing art as a passion, and it becomes an ego-trip. Such a buzz-kill. I never copy/trace/fan-art, because those things are boring to me. But if another artist wants to--why hate on them? Art is about fun. And once you get into copy-right/fan-art territory--no one should have the right to talk down to those folks, because y'all stealing at that point. Live and let live. -
10-24-2018, 04:44 AMHyoMinParkAs someone who used to draw frequently, I don’t understand this sentence at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
How can you be okay with putting in the effort to create a piece of work that someone else tries to claim is theirs, or that soemone else uses without asking you for permission to do so?
I once had an individual steal some old Sailor Moon sketches I had done and try to claim they were theirs, and I was furious. It’s never okay to take someone else’s work and claim it as your own, and I don’t understand how someone can be okay with such a practice. It doesn’t matter if the pieces are done as commissions or “for fun”; it’s still stealing.
I don’t draw anymore; I stick to writing. But the same would still apply—if someone took a story I wrote and tried to say they wrote it, I’d be very mad about it. I write for the sake of creative expression (so, “for fun”), and it’s not okay for someone to take my work and say it belongs to them. I don’t really find it “flattering” to have someone steal my work—I find it rude and disrespectful. -
10-24-2018, 05:19 AMJackHatchetHow? Because art is its own reward. I enjoyed making it. It's probably similar to cooking food that someone else eats. It's about the journey--not the destination. It's just fun to do. And when people use my art for their avatars or whatever, it's just nice seeing my stuff get around. I never sign my work. I don't do it for recognition.Quote:
How can you be okay with putting in the effort to create a piece of work that someone else tries to claim is theirs, or that soemone else uses without asking you for permission to do so?
But what I don't get is how someone can steal a concept and design (like Sailor Moon) and feel totally cool with that, but in the same breath get upset that someone steals their work? Is it because someone is trying to take credit when they don't deserve it? I don't see art as work, or effort deserving of recognition. Art is just fun. It doesn't need a reward or recognition to justify its creation. I could legit draw art, and then throw it away, and still get the same enjoyment out of creating it. -
10-24-2018, 05:30 AMJackHatchet
I guess digital art theft doesn't bother me at all unless it actually affects me. But since I don't do art for profit, it doesn't bother me. I see fan-art and fan-fiction writing in the same regard.
It would be one thing if I painted a physical picture, and someone stole that picture depriving me of a physical possession. But if I post a digital picture I drew on my blog and someone stole it--it literally doesn't affect me, so it doesn't bother me. They can copy/paste my picture and throw their sig on it. I couldn't care less, because the real joy is knowing that in my heart of hearts--I knew the truth, and I could just doodle another picture to confirm my skills. I feel like the 'skill' of art itself is worth more than the actual piece. Someone can steal my art all day, but they'll never have my heat, soul, and creative vision. Those aspects are untouchable.
I don't know. I think at the end of the day, it's weird to get angry or hung-up about something so that has such little impact on the process of creating art. -
10-24-2018, 05:42 AMHyoMinParkIt’s not fun having your art stolen by some random individual on the internet. It’s not fun having them take all the credit for the work you pour your heart and soul into.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
“LOL” is literally all I have to say to this nonsense.Quote:
But what I don't get is how someone can steal a concept and design (like Sailor Moon) and feel totally cool with that, but in the same breath get upset that someone steals their work? Is it because someone is trying to take credit when they don't deserve it?
I’m sorry that, when I put time and effort and my heart into doing something, that I don’t want some random person saying that it is their work—that they put the time and effort and heart into it when they didn’t.Quote:
I don't see art as work, or effort deserving of recognition. Art is just fun. It doesn't need a reward or recognition to justify its creation. I could legit draw art, and then throw it away, and still get the same enjoyment out of creating it.
I never drew art for profit either. It still bothered me having someone say that drew the images they stole from me (and it wasn’t just me they stole from—it was from several fan artists).Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
Except, it can have a huge impact. I know of former artists who were very negatively affected by having their work stolen. One stopped posting their art online entirely thanks to it. So it can negatively affect the process of creating and sharing one’s art.Quote:
I don't know. I think at the end of the day, it's weird to get angry or hung-up about something so that has such little impact on the process of creating art.
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10-24-2018, 05:44 AMSylvina
I mean you can get commissions done of your characters by artists you know, but I wouldn't reccomend advertising it here i guess.
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10-24-2018, 05:48 AMJackHatchetIt's only a problem if you let it be a problem. It's all about how you let other people affect you. Don't let other people dictate your happiness and enjoyment. Own yourself, or else you're letting them steal more than just your art. ^.^Quote:
Except, it can have a huge impact. I know of former artists who were very negatively affected by having their work stolen. One stopped posting their art online entirely thanks to it. So it can negatively affect the process of creating and sharing one’s art.
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10-24-2018, 05:49 AMBourne_EndeavorBecause they aren't an artist. They've a thief. How does this even compute? You claim people have lost their passion for art yet think it's perfectly okay someone literally copy your work? It's one thing if they look at your drawing and attempt to recreate it with their own flair (i.e., not trace), but another thing entirely if they simply try passing it off as their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
What??? o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
Let's apply this warped logic to say, a household item. If someone stole your PS4, PC, money from your dresser, you'd just shrug it off, "Oh, no big deal. People just do things like that ^.^" I get trying not to let it ruin your passion, but people can still be happy with their craft and equally pissed off when someone steals it. I've had someone copy my character wholesale once on a RP forum. I was neither amused nor forgiving about it. They didn't ruin my enjoyment of RP though. They were just a thief, which I called them out on.
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10-24-2018, 05:58 AMMisteI don't even consider myself an artist nor was I ever any good at drawing, but you seem extremely out of touch with reality?Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
Sure, art can be fun, but you seem to forget that some people live off being an artist? It is literally their livelihood and provides them with the necessities of living like a roof over their head, food, and clothes on their backs.
Someone stealing someone elses art can have a bad impact on them financially. If someone steals someone elses art and tries to sell it or trace it they are taking profits away from the artist who drew it.
How can you be this out of touch??? Ego-trip? Nope, just needing to LIVE and make the proper profit off of THEIR OWN WORK instead of someone else stealing any of it. -
10-24-2018, 05:59 AMHyoMinParkNo, it’s a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
You’re essentially saying that stealing someone else’s art is okay.
You’re essentially saying that plagiarism of someone else’s writing is okay.
It’s not okay.
It’s funny that you say art is your way of creative expression—that it’s a reflection of your heart and your soul—but then act as if someone stealing your art isn’t them stealing those pieces of yourself you previously claimed is in it.
Please, take a few seats. -
10-24-2018, 06:06 AMJackHatchetI feel like you forgot to read the part of my post where I said digital theft of non copy-righted art doesn't take from the artist. The original is never altered or removed in any way.Quote:
What??? o.O
People who do fan-art are doing so by copying the idea/design of another creator. Therefore they can't legally profit off the work, because they're effectively stealing the idea/design from the original creator. So for anyone who does fan-art for profit to bemoan piracy--it's a clear-cut case of hypocrisy.Quote:
Sure, art can be fun, but you seem to forget that some people live off being an artist? It is literally their livelihood and provides them with the necessities of living like a roof over their head, food, and clothes on their backs.
Creation is fun, the finished art piece is just a byproduct of creating. No one can steal the process... Unless someone let's the actions of another deter them--which is what I find strange.Quote:
It’s funny that you say art is your way of creative expression—that it’s a reflection of your heart and your soul—but then act as if someone stealing your art isn’t them stealing those pieces of yourself you previously claimed is in it.
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10-24-2018, 06:12 AMChaoticCrimson
I've had my art stolen and reposted as if it was the offender's own work. I once attempted to do generic commissions years ago on a blog, only to have some troll blog try to "call out" my post as having stolen their "work" and claiming to have the physical "original" copies of my examples, which were very clearly digital works, some of which were even pixel art. They were very easily debunked in their claims, however the experience left me too upset to continue pursuing commissions from that point on. Don't try to tell me not to "stress out" about someone claiming another person's work as their own. For many, it's not just a hobby; It's their livelihood.
In any case, in regards to the topic, I'd agree with others that it's probably a bit of a grey area, but might be okay as long as you're not trying to draw attention to it through official channels such as here or in-game. I mean, it's not uncommon for artists to sell fan art at conventions and the like so as long as you're not doing anything like trading your work for anything in-game and the like I don't think it's technically RMT. -
10-24-2018, 06:45 AMJackHatchetExcept when it comes to fan-art. Which is again, I'll repeat, the stealing of another's concept and design. Which is just as bad. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy of such thinking, and then saying that people who draw fan-art shouldn't feel guilty about piggy-backing off another creator's work--because art should be about fun. Which is why people draw fan-art. They draw fan-art for fun!Quote:
For many, it's not just a hobby; It's their livelihood.
People just like to assume that it's ok to draw fan-art, because it's 'for fun,' and those artists make so much money anyways--it probably doesn't hurt them. But the moment someone tries to steal their work--all heck breaks loose! And you can see those reactions clearly in this thread so far. But the bottom line is, when it comes to 'stealing' -- people can't just say "my stealing is ok, but other's stealing is bad" and that's the problem I have with the art community. Either be ok with all (non profit) stealing like fan-art, fan-fiction, tracing, ect, or start policing yourselves and call out fan-art as theft of concept and design.
Regardless, it's not salt off my back. But all this gray area is exactly why it's an issue. -
10-24-2018, 07:14 AMSigma-AstraBoi, I've been in the industry for 9 years. Please, check yourself out the door before you think you know better than a professional.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
Tracing doesn't take effort, maybe time, but that's it. Anyone can be given a pencil or paper and told to trace something, there's no skill involved whatsoever.
Art is a career choice and not just a hobby and if you want to not care if people steal your stuff, great...have at it, glad you don't have pride in what you do then, but some of us professional artists do and we would like to be treated with respect.
You don't walk into an office and steal your buddy's paycheck off of his desk, so you shouldn't waltz onto the internet and steal someone's talent, claim it as your own, and then try to profit from their skills because you don't have any.
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10-24-2018, 07:18 AMSigma-AstraAnd herein lies the main problem and until it happens to you personally, maybe not preach your ideas as correct when they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
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10-24-2018, 07:23 AMHyoMinParkClearly, you don’t understand the difference between someone creating a piece of fanart/fanfiction “for fun”, and an individual taking a piece of artwork—the physical work of art—that someone else made and claiming they made it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
There is a difference between someone creating a non-profit piece of fanwork (art or fiction), and someone taking the work someone else did and saying “I did this!” Fan artists and fanfiction writers typically do not claim ownership of characters and/or concepts that they have borrowed from an original work. They do, however, claim ownership of the piece of work they made with their hands, be it artwork or prose.
Tracing is something entirely different. At least fanart and fanfiction reflects the artistic style of the fan artist/writer; there is clear creativity involved in the production of it. Tracing is just you laying a sheet of tracing paper over someone else’s piece of work and copying it line by line, stroke by stroke. It’s the same thing as me opening my Harry Potter book and typing word-for-word Chapter 1. There is no originality or artistic flair to tracing, and I don’t consider it a legitimate piece of fanart.
I drew a Sailor Moon sketch. I never tried to sell it. I drew it “for fun” (since you’re all about the fun). I never claimed that Sailor Moon belonged to me; back when I did fanart, I always gave appropriate credit to any characters that didn’t belong to me (not that it needs to be said that I’m not Naoko Takeuchi, since that should be fairly obvious). But the art I produced with my hands did belong to me—the physical sketch belonged to me. Someone else taking my art and trying to pass it off as their own fanart creation is wrong—because they didn’t draw it; I did. And it’s not hypocrisy to be angry about it. -
10-24-2018, 07:24 AMJackHatchetNice response. It doesn't add anything to the discussion though. You tell me to check myself, and your best counter-point is "boi, I'm been around a long time." There's more than enough people in this world who have experience in a field who are completely clueless. Just look at American politics. Why don't you check yourself with some examples?Quote:
Boi, I've been in the industry for 9 years. Please, check yourself out the door before you think you know better than a professional.
And hey, if you make a living off selling your own original ideas that's cool. But if you're saying that you make profit by selling copy-righted fan-art--then you're tip-toeing the line. Which is fine. You can break copy-right law. Just as long as you're cool with other people breaking the copy-right law too. Just don't be one of those "I hate art thieves, but then go on to steal concepts and designs for fan-art." I was calling out hypocrisy, and the only reason you could be so emotionally upset about it to personally attack me is if you feel like you're guilty of the actions I was calling out. -
10-24-2018, 07:25 AMwhiskeybravo
Out of curiosity, would digital art be viewed differently than physical art? I know it seems like a minor distinction, but you have canvas, paint, brushes, etc that is all your unique effort, and is not necessarily able to be duplicated exactly like digital art would be. I have no dog in this race just kind of a curious what artists think. It seems like a physical piece would be less likely to come under scrutiny but I have no knowledge in such areas.
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10-24-2018, 07:31 AMSigma-AstraThat's not entirely true, physical objects can be reproduced. All of those famous paintings you hear about? Very few are the originals anymore and only certain museums get to actually have the original pieces. A lot of those pieces are very good reproductions made by some very talented people with a brush.Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskeybravo
A lot of art thieves in this day and age will take works from others...and then sell them on places like Amazon.com, RedBubble, Society 6, etc as physical canvas prints. It's not very hard to take a digital picture and print it onto a canvas actually. -
10-24-2018, 07:36 AMVnolanIt's not allowed according to the rules:Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.
But as many have observed through SE's lack of enforcement, the rules are mostly suggestions. If you advertise using the PF and don't say in the PF listing that you're selling for real money, nothing will happen. -
10-24-2018, 07:37 AMSigma-AstraIt is a nice response for someone who claims to be an artist and yet knows very little of the actual field of study. If anyone is clueless in this entire thread. It's really you and your perspective. I have a Bachelor's and art is my major, that enough of an example for you? It's my career and hobby. And here you are...a hobbyist, trying to claim he/she knows more because....reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
Do you realize that in the field of art nothing is "original" anymore as it's been said and done by someone else way before you had the idea? You can sell fan art if it's done in YOUR OWN STYLE and no where close towards the original style that the creator used. I shouldn't have to spell this out for you, it's very easy to understand as evident by the rest of the posters in this thread.Quote:
And hey, if you make a living off selling your own original ideas that's cool. But if you're saying that you make profit by selling copy-righted fan-art--then you're tip-toeing the line. Which is fine. You can break copy-right law. Just as long as you're cool with other people breaking the copy-right law too. Just don't be one of those "I hate art thieves, but then go on to steal concepts and designs for fan-art." I was calling out hypocrisy, and the only reason you could be so emotionally upset about it to personally attack me is if you feel like you're guilty of the actions I was calling out.
If any part of your logic was true then anime conventions would have been put out of business a loooooong time ago and so would the comic book industry. It's not okay to take something that SOMEONE ELSE drew, that you maybe found on DeviantART and then re-post it with a line saying "Hey! Look what I made!".
Do you need a megaphone and a klaxon to get that through your head?
And no, I'm not emotionally upset, I'm confused how you think you're making any sense while the world is clearly burning around you. You didn't call out anything, you gave a misinformed opinion, people called you out on it, and now you're flailing to make a stand.
You're a problem for the rest of artists.
"Hey guys! It's okay if you steal my stuff! I don't care!"
You're making it easier for thieves to think it's okay to do this for everyone. You are part of the issue. -
10-24-2018, 07:46 AMJackHatchet
I feel that digital art has the ability to look 'prettier,' but when it comes to mantle pieces around the office or displayed prominently in a residence--I feel that one of a kind physical pieces tend to be more prestigious (subjectively). It's true that physical art can be replicated, but most of the time it's replicated--it's done so because the original piece is worth (just so much money) that it provides a lot of incentive for other artists to copy them. A more benevolent reason to copy classic pieces is to preserve and replicate the art of passed artists.
Art is still so very subjective in many-many ways, but objectively, a physical piece is generally more unique, and much more complex to duplicate. In addition, (assuming you don't lose track), there will always be a genuine 'first edition,' regardless of the copies, where as digital doesn't really have a first edition. Though some artists will do a 'run number' of limited copies.
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I almost want to say that there's almost two entirely different genres of art marketing. And while I'm not experienced with fan-art, and digital art sales. I've often been involved with the sales of physical art pieces. Generally for cooperate offices and personal collectors. -
10-24-2018, 07:53 AMJackHatchetYou're still making it seem like it's a bigger issue for some nobody to take art they didn't create and tag it on Twitter or some nonsense and say "I did it." So what? That's just a personal problem. They can't sell your art for money, and they can't reproduce it or create more. All it is to them is some weird claim with absolutely no weight behind it.Quote:
You're making it easier for thieves to think it's okay to do this for everyone. You are part of the issue.
Where as selling fan-art for profit is outright stealing someone elses character, design, or concept and trying to profit off their creative idea. And hey, I get it. No one wants to buy some rando's original character design, but people will pay money for a Wolverine sketch. They won't pay Disney if they charge too much, but they can find someone else who'll do it for a fraction of the cost. Copy-right laws be darned! I just don't see how you can justify this as being a lesser infraction than some rando bragging about art he didn't draw on the internet.
Anyways, I don't think we'll come to an agreement on this, so we'll just have to move on, and keep doing whatever it is that we do. -
10-24-2018, 07:57 AMthansuHow is fan-art considered stealing? Unless the artist is using and claiming someone else's concept or design as their own, I don't see how it is considered theft when they disclaim the design or give the full credit to the original creator.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
Feel free to dislike the concept of people making money out fan-art, but I think it's pretty disrespectful to outright call them thieves. Again, no one is claiming the original concept and design as their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
Sorry to break it to you, but the same people who you accuse of stealing other people's concepts and designs actually help companies promote their product, and some even get hired.
It's only an issue for you, and it's only an issue for you because you're so adamantly trying to make it an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
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10-24-2018, 08:04 AMSigma-AstraI'm not sure if I should feel bad for this or not...I mean, the naivety of this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackHatchet
You literally have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not even sure if I should spoil you with a serious response and mostly a repeat of what has already been said like three times by now from multiple people.Quote:
Where as selling fan-art for profit is outright stealing someone elses character, design, or concept and trying to profit off their creative idea. And hey, I get it. No one wants to buy some rando's original character design, but people will pay money for a Wolverine sketch. They won't pay Disney if they charge too much, but they can find someone else who'll do it for a fraction of the cost. Copy-right laws be darned! I just don't see how you can justify this as being a lesser infraction than some rando bragging about art he didn't draw on the internet.
Well, yes, you're right. It's hard to come to an agreement when the other side is so misinformed about a field of study and only dabbles in it because it's "fun" and has no idea about anything else remotely professional regarding it.Quote:
Anyways, I don't think we'll come to an agreement on this, so we'll just have to move on, and keep doing whatever it is that we do.
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10-24-2018, 08:26 AMwhiskeybravoWell I meant that in the sense that if you painted 2 pieces of the same thing, there would naturally be slight variations between the 2. At least moreso than a piece of digital art which is easily copied. I was trying to excluded digital pictures of artwork in this question. But either way, yes there is a market for both fake/duplicate art and authentication of original art so maybe it wasn't a well thought out question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra
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10-24-2018, 08:32 AMSigma-AstraIt depends on the skill of the two people I feel. There are actual artists who get paid to reproduce famous works of art or run maintenance on the original works that require them to have the same style and skills as the famous artist in question. There may or may not be any sort of noticeable variations between the two pieces simply because the person is being paid to be exact and down to the finest and smallest details.Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskeybravo
So, it's really kind of a case by case scenario that's not as simple as assuming two people can't possibly paint in the same way: they could but it depends on the situation.