Game should display grey numbers when you miss a positional

right now the game gives no feedback to new players trying melee out and this just causes a good number of players to hit lvl 70 and join your DF runs as a melee without being aware that there is positionals on the class they are playing as.

Monster hunter world does this when you attack specific spots of a monster where more critical spots would give an orange number

I think this would be helpful. Obviously any positional are listed in the tool tips, so it would be kind of hard to hit 70 and be doing some sort of rotation without ever having noticed positionals, but still, as you are getting a feel for things it would nice to have a nice visual reminder pop up.

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Originally Posted by Tempest222

Obviously any positional are listed in the tool tips, so it would be kind of hard to hit 70 and be doing some sort of rotation without ever having noticed positionals

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It's usually a simple matter of checking the tooltips on new actions, but not all jobs with positional requirements have their positional requirements from the moment they get a relevant weaponskill all the way until 70. In the case of SAM, Gekko and Kasha don't have positional requirements until 52 when they get the trait Kenki Mastery, whose description is nonspecific: "Increases Kenki Gauge when landing select weaponskills." At this point, a SAM would need to check every single weaponskill if he wanted to determine which "select weaponskills" were affected, and even that would first require that they care enough to check. But since Kenki Mastery doesn't say anything about positionals, a new SAM might assume that kenki was simply added to certain weaponskills without their mechanics changing, and to be honest, that would be a fair assumption.

Other jobs where positional skills always have positionals from the start, there's not really an excuse for making it to Lv70 without knowing that weaponskills have positionals.

I'm currently levelling monk and this would certainly help. Not really with learning, because I feel pretty confident in where I'm meant to be for what, but mainly just to see if I landed it or not due to latency. So I know if I'm moving too soon, or too late, perhaps if that time I had to dodge the AoE meant I hit the flank instead of the rear, etc.

Would really like to see this. In lots of Savage stuff tight stacking is required, making positionals a huge annoyance during those timeframes. Would like more feedback from the game concerning those considering I’ve been playing for awhile now, and I still don’t have a clear idea of the cutoffs for positionals relative to boss size (how far inside a large boss’ hitbox can I be and still land it etc.)

This is actually a great idea. +1

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Originally Posted by SHLunchB0x

Would really like to see this. In lots of Savage stuff tight stacking is required, making positionals a huge annoyance during those timeframes. Would like more feedback from the game concerning those considering I’ve been playing for awhile now, and I still don’t have a clear idea of the cutoffs for positionals relative to boss size (how far inside a large boss’ hitbox can I be and still land it etc.)

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...of_explaining/

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Originally Posted by Sunspawn

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...of_explaining/

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That's a funny post, but kind of irrelevant. Like, it doesn't particularly help with finding that "sweet spot" on huge enemies like Midgardsormr. Plus it's a means of feedback for learning players without getting into the parser debate.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

That's a funny post, but kind of irrelevant. Like, it doesn't particularly help with finding that "sweet spot" on huge enemies like Midgardsormr. Plus it's a means of feedback for learning players without getting into the parser debate.

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It's completely relevant. It clearly shows front, flank, and rear on a target.

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Originally Posted by SHLunchB0x

In lots of Savage stuff tight stacking is required, making positionals a huge annoyance during those timeframes. Would like more feedback from the game concerning those considering I’ve been playing for awhile now, and I still don’t have a clear idea of the cutoffs for positionals relative to boss size (how far inside a large boss’ hitbox can I be and still land it etc.)

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The size of the target is irrelevant. "Rear" is the gap in the target circle. You just need to half step back and forth over the spot where the circle ends. Here are some more explicit visual aids:

https://i.imgur.com/I5flH74.png

You can be farther inside, as long as you're inside/outside of the cone drawn by the green lines, but there shouldn't be any reason to be so far inside the boss that you can't tell if you're hitting flank and rear or not. Even super tight donut attacks still let you stand on the circle, and if you're in a party doing savage, they should all know where the flank/rear boundary is and stack to accomodate if necessary.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

It's completely relevant. It clearly shows front, flank, and rear on a target.

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It's irrelevant because nobody is asking where the flank or rear is at. They're asking for in-game feedback on whether or not you hit the positional requirement at said flank or rear.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

It's irrelevant because nobody is asking where the flank or rear is at.

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It was a direct reply to

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Originally Posted by SHLunchB0x

I still don’t have a clear idea of the cutoffs for positionals relative to boss size (how far inside a large boss’ hitbox can I be and still land it etc.)

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so yes, it's relevant.

Ok, so you know where you're supposed to be. Do you know if you actually hit the positional or not?

Should have? Maybe? Not sure?

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Originally Posted by SHLunchB0x

Would like more feedback from the game concerning those considering I’ve been playing for awhile now, and I still don’t have a clear idea of the cutoffs for positionals relative to boss size

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Sorry all you get is an MS Paint job. Git gud

I would love to have this happen. With how much the this tier of savage punishes trying to hit positionals (at least in so far as I've progressed) I'd love to know if I'm actually getting it or not while having to be inside a boss ring or whatnot. Any kind of indicator that you've either hit or missed a positional attack would be good information to have.

I guess I was more talking about how the game handles latency and my weapon skills firing rather than not knowing where hitboxes are for positionals. I'm thinking about stuff like tsunami or blaze in O9S where stacks are required. I'll go off, fire my weapon skill in the flank or whatever and then go back. However, because I have no faith in the server latency I'll often wonder, "I wonder if that registered there or if the game tracked me a few steps back". I'm sure I could educate myself more on when weapon skills firing vs being registered, but wouldn't it be nice to know in the moment from the game? It's just nagging uncertainty when trying to optimize dps.

I usually don't have the time to think, "Ok fang and claw direct hit for XXX that means I must've hit the postional".

This is a great idea. Really this game tries way too hard to hide a players faults that it ends up creating bad habits. Stuff like this would help a player improve in a natural way, I don't see why it's not a thing.

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Originally Posted by SHLunchB0x

I guess I was more talking about how the game handles latency and my weapon skills firing rather than not knowing where hitboxes are for positionals.

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I knew that's what you meant ;)

When I first tried out SAM (my first DPS melee class), I had no idea what positionals were. Then I noticed my gauge charged (or charged faster) in certain positions. That was my only way of determining positionals and whether I was in the sweet spot or not.

Right now the only way is to know the damage you're doing, makes it pretty easy to know which positional you missed.
But yeah, good idea tbh, and that's not the only kind of colored text we're missing.

But people missing positionals already show grey numbers
:^)

But this is a pretty good idea.

Great idea ! +1

A form of feedback on player's performance? In this game? This is blasphemy!

That would be Sooooo useful omg

And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't even be too hard to implement. At least I hope so

Supportive of this!

I really like this idea. Any in-game feedback is handy instead of us having to rely on third party programs. +1

Great idea, I'm all for this.

Yes please I'd love to be able to see this information and push my boundaries further in terms of what I can and can't get away with in raids.

Yep I've felt this way too. They need a quick way to see if you hit or did not hit a positional.