In Game Voice Chat, Why doesn't this game have it and would you use if it did?

As the title says, I'm curious as to why, with this game's style of play and combat, does it not have an in game voice chat feature? Sure, you could search the internet for any number of 3rd party voice chat apps/programs, but why should we have to go outside the game just to get something that should've been there to begin with.

Would any of you guys use the in game voice chat over Discord and whatever else is out there?

Personally, I wouldn't because discord is just convenient to use for me. My static often discusses strats, so it's nice to be able to just have one application to talk to them about while we're all looking at it, and then being able to check in on fc events that are coming up while on voice chat. But that's just me personally, coming from someone who really hasn't had a super bad experience with discord.

Probably for the same reason there is no in game p*****.
When you read some comments players get in text chat I can kinda understand why they don't throw you into a party and allow VC.

It's a waste of development time when there are more than enough suitable alternatives out there you can use for voice chat.

I'm not sure how Blizzard's new integrated B.net chat is going, but when they originally introduced voice chat to WoW back in like 2007, people pretty much just didn't use it ever, despite the fact that back then the popular choices were all paid. Now that Discord is being a thing, what benefit is it to me for them to develop an integrated chat function, especially because it just creates pressure to join voice chat with obnoxious randoms? Discord is free, sufficiently high quality, and practically ubiquitous already.

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Originally Posted by Evogolist

Would any of you guys use the in game voice chat over Discord and whatever else is out there?

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For me, it’s doubtful. Discord offers too many extra things for me to use an in-game chat as an alternative. But I only talk in Discord with people who are my friends; I won’t join random Discords usually because too shy.

I have only played another game that have ingame voice chat and the quality is poor compare to Discord, so I don't think Dev should waste time developing an ingame voice chat unless it's better than the free option outside. Most players won't use it anyway, even when doing savage content in PF/RF, all we need is a macro on the strats and things gets done.

Social anxieties aside, I can live without another round of some random kid throwing racial slurs he doesn't actually understand while insulting my parentage.

Voice chat with randoms? Ewwwwwww no.

Disco fever with friends.

There are so many 3rd party services that can and will do it better than anything SE could implement. Especially given that the ongoing DDoS on each of the datacenters would ALSO impact voice communication. Given that there are enough bandwidth issues for just gamedata packets, I would never want to add additional bloat going to/from SE's datacenters for voice when something like Discord works so much better. And for those who don't like Discord's approach, there's always Ventrillo, TeamSpeak, or Mumble servers people can run on their own. Or things like Google Hangouts, Skype, or FB Messenger if all the players know each other.

From what I heard about the built-in voicechat in WoW, it's garbage and rarely used. Perhaps that's changed since its release, but with the added benefits of literally any other service, there's no reason to expend development costs to force a half-working solution into FFXIV when Yoshi-P has already stated he doesn't think it should ever be required.

See also:
Literally this topic, but older.
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013...-realm-reborn/

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Naoki Yoshida: We do not plan on offering official support for voice chat. To explain that decision, the idea of talking directly to other players with your own voice and making it a requirement to do so will not necessarily be a good thing for beginners and new players and many will see it as imposing pressure or causing them unnecessary stress.

I am personally a veteran online gamer so I completely understand the importance of voice chat but if we were to make it an officially supported feature then there is a chance that some players would start to demand that others use it just because it is an “official feature”.

Of course, we will not be prohibiting external voice chat via Skype etc, so individual player communities can still sort out their own preferred means of communication!

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I prefer text only for in-game communication with strangers.

Reasons why:
1) Salty gamers who troll to cope with their IRL issues would use it to insult others that much faster
2) do we really want to hear other people breathing into their mics/doing private things when we don't know them at all and are just trying to get our dailies done
3) If you are a female gamer, the likelihood of harassment goes way, way up the second a male gamer whom you do not know can identify your IRL gender. I barely tolerate that from FC mates and guys I know (usually I snarl at them, actually), so the idea of strangers pulling that nonsense makes me want to hack their computers, find their locations, travel there, and set them on fire.
4) Related, if you're a female gamer and you're the tank, the likelihood of some male gamer deciding you don't know what you're doing and either trying to lecture you how to play or just ignoring your directions goes way, way up. Yeah, that's a thing.
5) people annoy me in general, I don't want to hear them
6) social anxiety
7) you can't record it if someone is verbally abusing you, making it impossible for GMs to help you if this type of behavior is going on
8) people talking makes it hard for me to concentrate if I can't completely ignore them

Can everyone be muted by default? That'd be perfect.

No, third party apps are just better and offer more features.

However, it would be handy for when half the people of the group are on PC and the other half on console.

Lol about Yoshi P saying he's not offering ingame voice chat because it can become a requirement, well guess what, there's groups out there where PC player is requirement just so you all can be on the same voice chat.
No in game voice chat because they don't know how to do it, they don't want to spend the resources and/or 90's server hardware and spaghetti code.

Personally voice chat has always been a requirement for me whether I join a group or make one myself (especially in Destiny), friends or pugs make no difference. Of course I'm not talking about the easy stuff.
So much easier to coordinate and talk while battle when you can't type. Not sure why so many people are against it. Voice chat has always been a huge factor in improvement and leads to higher change of succes when doing harder content in any online game.

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Originally Posted by AmemeAmeklin

I prefer text only for in-game communication with strangers.

Reasons why:
1) Salty gamers who troll to cope with their IRL issues would use it to insult others that much faster
2) do we really want to hear other people breathing into their mics/doing private things when we don't know them at all and are just trying to get our dailies done
3) If you are a female gamer, the likelihood of harassment goes way, way up the second a male gamer whom you do not know can identify your IRL gender. I barely tolerate that from FC mates and guys I know (usually I snarl at them, actually), so the idea of strangers pulling that nonsense makes me want to hack their computers, find their locations, travel there, and set them on fire.
4) Related, if you're a female gamer and you're the tank, the likelihood of some male gamer deciding you don't know what you're doing and either trying to lecture you how to play or just ignoring your directions goes way, way up. Yeah, that's a thing.
5) people annoy me in general, I don't want to hear them
6) social anxiety
7) you can't record it if someone is verbally abusing you, making it impossible for GMs to help you if this type of behavior is going on
8) people talking makes it hard for me to concentrate if I can't completely ignore them

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1) ignore list
2) push to talk (it's always been a requirement when we did 40 man raids in wow)
3) again ignore list
4) once again, ignore list
5) You won't join my ultimate group then
6) mute yourself?
7) again ignore
8) You can always explain this to the group, in progress runs chatter should be kept to an absolute minimum and only talk about mechanics during the fight so everybody has 100% focus.

Many headsets have a mice mute button or you can always use push to talk so you have control when your voice is being recorded or just disable your mic in the voice chat software.

I've had some female gamers who had the harassment thing (happend in Destiny sometimes) I always booted the people who did this and add them on the ignore list so they would never get in our runs again. Never has become a real issue.

It doesn't became a problem if you don't let it.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I'm not sure how Blizzard's new integrated B.net chat is going, but when they originally introduced voice chat to WoW back in like 2007, people pretty much just didn't use it ever, despite the fact that back then the popular choices were all paid. Now that Discord is being a thing, what benefit is it to me for them to develop an integrated chat function, especially because it just creates pressure to join voice chat with obnoxious randoms? Discord is free, sufficiently high quality, and practically ubiquitous already.

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Blizzards in game VOIP is still as terrible as it's always been and no one uses it, even their new guild tab interface looks exactly like the discord interface so you can at tell what they are trying to do with it. No matter how they try to implement it, like many other games 3rd party VOIP's will always be superior.

No one wants it for randos, and for your friends and statics there are better options. It has no reason to exist.

Thanks for the response everyone. I see and agree with everyone's points and reasons. I actually have social anxiety myself and tend to be the quiet one if and whenever I do choose to mic up. Heck, even in text chat I tend to be quiet unless it's close friends. I think my OP came out of curiosity, plus I would tend to have some flickering issues with my client whenever I had discord up.

I wouldn’t. I’m a wuss.

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Originally Posted by Evogolist

Thanks for the response everyone. I see and agree with everyone's points and reasons. I actually have social anxiety myself and tend to be the quiet one if and whenever I do choose to mic up. Heck, even in text chat I tend to be quiet unless it's close friends. I think my OP came out of curiosity, plus I would tend to have some flickering issues with my client whenever I had discord up.

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Turn off the discord overlay.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

5) You won't join my ultimate group then

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oh no my life is destroyed :(

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Turn off the discord overlay.

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Ah, okay, thanks. Was wondering why whenever I turned the camera a certain direction the screen would flicker and/or get or scrambled.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

they don't want to spend the resources

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Probably the most likely reason - they'd have to develop and maintain the feature, and with the collection of third-party options that already work just fine (for most) there's no real motivation for them to spend time and money on adding and maintaining the feature.

Honestly, I think the only reason Blizzard even has it for WoW is because they've wanted to turn the Battle.net launcher into a kind of one-stop social spot for players of their games, so adding voice-chat fits within that framework.

There's also the fact that it wasn't actually added to WoW and isn't in the game itself. It's run via the desktop Battle.net app, not the game client.

Seeing how SE developers develop new content and new features, I really don't want this voice chat anymore.
A voice chat feature needs to be implemented from the launch of the game, to build up a community around using it, to be like "VR Chat".

Other 3rd parties handle it just fine. If they did implement it themselves though I probably wouldn't use it unless I was playing with friends. The most hardcore content I do is Extreme primals, and I don't always do those. But when I do, voice chat isn't necessary.

In-game voice chat? And present the trolls with yet another avenue to express their toxicity?

No thank you... discord works just fine.

Waste of resources. There's only a few MMORPG's out there that even touch on the subject, let alone support it. WoW has had it for years now and almost no one uses it. As the others have said, 3rd parties are the way to go. They offer more flexibility and will be better than any implementation SE could do.

I honestly would not use it because I am more of a private person and dont want to talk to strangers like that. And for those that I trust enough I still have Discord. But I even barely use that with voice chat because I have the problem that too much talking not only distracts me but also gives me a headache. Its the reason why I stopped raiding with my former FC because they even wanted Voice chat for primals that we already knew how to kill. It also turned more and more into something that was necessary to keep up with informations.

So an ingame vc could just mean that more and more groups are vc only thus could prevent some from joining groups because they cant or wont use it.

(Interesting that I kinda have the same fears than Yoshida in that way, the fear that people would demand it for content)

Until WoW revised theirs, I'd have said no, I wouldn't use it. But they've made it so convenient now that, with the addition of dB normalization and priority speaker, I would absolutely use it.

Current WoW voicechat is a totally different beast from its voicechat of old. It's pretty much identical to Overwatch's.

No, voice chat is the worst.

I hated it way back, when it first started with teamspeak/ventrilo.

I don't want to hear mouth-breathing people, who seem to be in really poor physical condition, laboriously speaking to me while they listen to music and their kids make noise in the background.

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Isn't a third party one an avenue to "swatting"/whatever that is? I've heard of this, will someone will not like you and call the police/whomever. In third party ones they can see your IP address, correct?

If I'm just playing with people, in FFXIV or Wow, people can't see my IP address.

I don't even use discord which most people seem to. Therefore, in game voice chat is a no go for me if implemented. Surprised so many people replied with having social anxiety as I also suffer from it.

Voice chat for raids or teaching people primals or callouts is fine. The few times I've played games that had voice chat people would end up wanting it for even the smallest things and kick you if you didn't. Then yes there's the whole being female and being treated like a normal person sans voice chat and seeing that fly out of the window the instant your voice is heard. It tends to go one of a few ways. One is their mind is blown that a girl is a gamer and they end up repeating themselves. Another is they go the hur hur go make me some food route where it's clear that now they're just going to be a sexist jerk. Or they start to non stop hitting on you. It's rare to get the oh wow it's a girl and then play on normal like nothing happened. Yes there is the ignore function but people shouldn't have to do that in the first place just due to gender or whatever.

Heres your answer: Do you use the text chat feature of the companion app over discord?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

(Interesting that I kinda have the same fears than Yoshida in that way, the fear that people would demand it for content)

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It's already demanded for content, it has always been, there's requirements of some groups that you are a PC player and you can use Discord, just as there are also groups that require you to have DPS meter and parse and that you are above a minimum of x DPS.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

It's already demanded for content, it has always been, there's requirements of some groups that you are a PC player and you can use Discord, just as there are also groups that require you to have DPS meter and parse and that you are above a minimum of x DPS.

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That's their personal requirements. If they want to require VC, they can use Discord or the other VC apps. It's really simple.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

It's already demanded for content, it has always been, there's requirements of some groups that you are a PC player and you can use Discord, just as there are also groups that require you to have DPS meter and parse and that you are above a minimum of x DPS.

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It's generally (not even always) required for a very narrow section of content that many players interact with minimally, if at all. The concern is that slice of content would become much broader if it was integrated into the game.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

That's their personal requirements. If they want to require VC, they can use Discord or the other VC apps. It's really simple.

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I did say that being a PC player and using Discord is a requirement for some groups so I'm not sure what you mean?

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

It's generally (not even always) required for a very narrow section of content that many players interact with minimally, if at all. The concern is that slice of content would become much broader if it was integrated into the game.

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The reason for that is that the game is easy. It's only required for ultimate or savage in progress (and even then you can do without) > for clears I'm talking here.

Now certain statics it's a requirement because they always want to reach higher, so they coordinate their buffs together, pot usage, etc to keep trying to reach more DPS numbers. There's competition for that.
It's not about clearing the content, it's about how fast you can clear it with what jobs and how much DPS everybody did.

We don't have it because we don't need it and not to mention the usual server "issues" SE is always refering to. Would i use it? Not in a million years because i use discord and i don't want to end up in a VC with randoms in a dungeon who refuse to speak english or piss me off with the stupid crap they do ingame.

ESO had integrated voice chat.

The two biggest problems I experienced personally were not being able to complain out loud without turning off my mic and a fair amount of sexism.

I get even more bad players in this game than I did in ESO and I'm sure some of them would be annoyed if (while in chat with them) I said to my boyfriend "ffs this healer is just standimg there doing nothing" or "oh look, another drg that doesn't know what heavy thrust is" and I don't need their salt in my life.

I'm not one to cry sexism at every little thing but in ESO there were two main kinds. First up we had "oooh a girl, let me get creepy for no reason now" and "oooh a girl that can play well, let me try to recruit you to my guild/group" and they sometimes overlapped. It was exhausting. I briefly tried to tell everyone I was a kid if they started being weird with me in a dungeon or in a situation where I would never see them again. It was just awkward in general.

So yeah, for those reasons no I would steer very clear of voice chat in-game. I like discord, it lets me pick and choose who I talk to.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Personally, I wouldn't because discord is just convenient to use for me.

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I use this as quote because it is exactly my think :

Discord is free, easy to use, you can set even vocal and written chat. Also usefull to speak to anyone not already log in (like, asking all your static anything without waiting the evening, etc)
And finally you can have link to strategies or usefull informations even for your PU.

The FF vocal chat would be limited to PU with less convenience. Also, with all servers matters we had those last 5 years, i am not sure adding anything on it is a great idea.

WoW finally have a "good" vocal chat (was one before but... meh) and dont use it a lot because discord is enough.