Raid System

Raid system needs a major over hull. Its bunch of garbage when you run same raid over and over and never win one roll. They need to make it where you get a weekly token after finish each one and not make ones have to run it ungodly amount times just to get a weekly item. They need to stop and think that not every player has unlimited time to run them. Some of us only can play few hours a day if that. Don't see how it is fair to ones if run same raid 3 or more times and never get anything. All other mmo's played ones always got something at the end.

That’s why I don’t really try for the drops. I’ll go into each one once per week if I feel like it, and if I come out with something great, if not oh well. I don’t enjoy feeling like I’m spinning my wheels, so its hard for me to get into something where there isn’t some guaranteed sense of progression.

I agree that the system being used isn't ideal, but I think the point with not having a guaranteed drop is so that people keep running the content so that everyone can get what they need. However, now that the Normal Raid roulette is a thing, I think the loot system might be overhauled.

But perhaps rather than a guaranteed drop on your first clear, perhaps every clear could give you a datalog unique to that floor (like what you get in savage) and a certain number of datalogs can be exchanged for a piece. Maybe something like 5-10 datalogs to get an item from that floor, and you can only buy one piece a week, or can only buy a piece if you didn't get one as a drop, and once you buy one it counts as your loot drop for the week <shrug>

I do feel like some sort of "run this enough times to get your wanted part" is a good idea, but there needs to be some sort of "once a week" lock to it that's shared with the actual drops, otherwise the situation won't change: you'll have guaranteed progression, but you feel just as cheated when you run 50x and don't get that crank you want.

I feel like there are a lot of caveats to why this is a thing . The more people you can keep running the fights the more people can get in and out quickly. I think that's why the same system is used in alliance roulette. Not to mention there is a myriad of other ways to get other gear right now. I like the thought but it doesn't make sense if you compare it to other systems and how the game functions.

Wish this were a thing. I really want WoD glamour for my DRK but it's like a 1/16 drop.

It's a double edged sword.

A raid in FF XIV is only four bosses, with two difficulties.

If they allow you to run it once and be done, well then their raid tear lasts like...an hour a week.

It would be nice to have something in cases of bad luck. I had to run O12 6 times to get a shaft this week which was annoying. But on the other hand, if you ran it once and then had loot lockout, the content wouldn't last long enough.

Right. And this raid tier will last us until July when, presumably 5.0's raid will be released (assuming the vanilla expansion patch release date is in June again). So, you will have plenty of time to gear up before it all becomes utterly irrelevant and useless past the 3rd leveling Dungeon into Level 76.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Right. And this raid tier will last us until July when, presumably 5.0's raid will be released (assuming the vanilla expansion patch release date is in June again). So, you will have plenty of time to gear up before it all becomes utterly irrelevant and useless past the 3rd leveling Dungeon into Level 76.

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Yep. All glory to the treadmill.

That is why a token like system should be implemented. So many times a week i end up with nothing because tired of running 20X or so to get a weekly drop.

If you're grinding for normal on a very strict playtime allowance, I can understand the concern. But at least you can get tokens for each of the floors already rather than trying to sit here and re-run it for loot. I personally feel the system is fine. Compare this to WoW where everything is RNG and you're even lucky to see gear without a guarantee, trust me, tokens after having to do a few pulls in normal is fine.

Both savage and trials have tokens.
What more do we need?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Both savage and trials have tokens.
What more do we need?

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I think OP's concern was that the normal raids should have tokens or even datalog variants similar to Savage/Extreme so that you can guarantee you get something at the end you know. Even if it's four weeks later or whatever least you know you can trade for a piece of gear without having to fight over the rolls for individual pieces (e.g. bolts, lens etc), because we all know RNG sometimes can be an absolute menace.

The gearing is okay
It gives people something to do for the next 6 months.

They have it like this so it fills the que's up for the current content. And yeah understandable that you don't want to run it week after week, but gotta think about the people who are late to the show. Also its meant that way to keep people occupied at the end game and well, start learning savage and get even better gear and something worth while each week. #getgud.

are you running savage/ultimate? no? Then normal mode raid drops literally mean nothing since you don't technically need it to run all the other content in the game.

Party Finder.

I use party finder for normal raids most weeks. cuts down the number of runs you need a lot. last wedensday the whole party i set up got the drops they wanted in 3 runs of o12. week before that took 5. but still much faster than duty finder and pray.

the real problem is a massive lack of content this game has. so they have to try anddraf it out. i mean if you you could get ya omega drops done in the first runs on a tuesday reset then you got nothing to do for the rest of the week....

Here's my thoughts on this, as many have said it's something to do to keep people running the content. Sure you don't want to run something 20 times and not get anything, but let me ask you this, are you playing completely solo? One of the things you find a FC being very useful for is having a full set team so that when the item drops that you want you have a set number of people to talk it over with and they can either Greed or Pass while you Need. Or at the very least you know that the amount of competition is down. I personally come from WoW's golden age of having to fight 39 other players for some loot cause it would drop something everyone could use, or at least 5-10 others of the same class in the full 40 man raid. Even when it got up to the 10 man and 25 man raids of WotLK it was still hard to get gear to drop and gear up so you can move onto the next tier of Raid content. I would go weeks without getting some certain items and having to pass on others I had gotten already, or courteously let another get it as they were Main Tank or it was a final piece they needed. Raiding in WoW didn't mean getting 9 or 24 other random people you don't know together, it meant organizing the event with your Guild and working on it week after week as you only had a single lockout per character. So if you went in and downed the first boss on the first night of raiding and wiped on the second till everyone called it a night, you went back in and started from the second boss and didn't get another run of the first one until the weekly reset.

So to the ones talking about making it a lockout for 1 a week, that is a bit of a stretch seeing as how many people want to get this gear. Leaving it on just RNG does mean that you can be at it for 20 to 30 times a week and still not get it, but that's part of an MMO. If you want instant gratification and 100% drop rates, go play a solo RPG where you aren't reliant on anyone else to get it and so long as you beat the boss you get the drop you want, or only have to farm it a bit if it still is an RNG drop.