No one in Pagos

I know it is day two of new content but I'm shocked that at 3:40 in the afternoon Pagos was completely empty. I was the only person in a instance when I logged and then one other person ported in and instantly left. It will be hard for people to catch up and hit 35 in five weeks for Pyros.

i dont even have it unlocked so you wont be seeing me in it

This is definitely a issue for me because I wantvto work on my second relic before pyros launches in a few weeks. Its quite dead in Pagos

Give it two weeks for the new content to die down, then you will see people coming back. There will be others wanting to get things ready for the next Eureka.

More people will likely be in there by the weekend.

I was afraid of this and its happening sooner than I thought.

There will be a returning surge of people once enough have cleared the new content but soon after the development team is gonna have a metric ton of salt due to many who will be able to go into Pyros but not work on their relic because they are barred by Pagos nonsense. Followed shortly afterwards by another wave of salt from players that can barely begin the relic process at all because Anemos is dead in the water.

This relic is exclusionary content, the complete opposite of what its has been all this time. Well, dev. team, I would love to know how you intended to keep access to the relic possible when the content its stuck in is highly perishable?

The update also enhanced the visibility of the area's exit. I think people are just taking advantage of the new feature.

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

The update also enhanced the visibility of the area's exit. I think people are just taking advantage of the new feature.

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I for one sure did. I went in there and saw about a dozen people and left through the shiny exit. Unfortunately I'm level 34.

Pagos will most likely get a second wind once they nerf the requirements somehow... hopefully you can capitalize on that wave whenever it happens.

Pagos was expected to take a dip around this time while people focus on doing newer content like the MSQ and raids. You can bet that in a couple of weeks the player count going in there will rise again, probably not to pre-4.4 levels immediately but it'll still be a few there to do stuff with.

The best solution they can do, apart of nerfing Pagos outright, is allow you to use Pyros tokens to upgrade; effectively allowing people to skip Pagos to some extent. Given how exceedingly unpopular Pagos turned out to be, it'd be a smart way to not bar people from trying what will hopefully be a better version of Anemos per Yoshida's comments. They've tried forcing people to do Eureka and it simply hasn't worked. Easing up on that now will go a long way I feel.

Pagos just want great and it sucks becuase as a relic grinder kind of person even I found it unbearably boring lol welp guess this will be the first one I do no do..

What i don't understand is why SE and players care soo much about the exit when you can just leave from the duty finder? Thats the only way i leave at least. I see no point in walking all the way to the exit however far or near it may be to my character. I understand the whole quality of life thing and i love that about SE but idk this seems like a waste. If they want to make something more visible how about the blue dots in the mini map showing party members. I cant see that barely at all.........

If there's no one in pagos, it's the perfect time to farm hakutaku eyes, take advantage while you can :P (since bunny fates die quick when there is few people)

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

I know it is day two of new content but I'm shocked that at 3:40 in the afternoon Pagos was completely empty. I was the only person in a instance when I logged and then one other person ported in and instantly left. It will be hard for people to catch up and hit 35 in five weeks for Pyros.

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This is why people do their weekly log in Anemos.

The last thing I wanna do on patch day is go into Pagos or Eureka for that matter maybe in 5.X when there's a catch up mechanic then i'll do it.

I don’t do Pagos and already discard all Anemos gears & items.

I was quite into Eureka when it was new, now not so much, I haven't unlocked the second tier of it and I never will, ever.

1st off people are unlocking new content at there own pace.
2nd Pago was a semi failure to general pop.
3rd Weapon seems even more useless to get.
4th pago was a way to pass the time in a patch that was dragging on with nothing to do but place catch up
5th 2 new dugeons, new raid, unlocked 24 man raid, new 8 man raid. why would you do pagos?

I'm only level 21 in eureka. I can't bring myself to do pagos, I don't find it fun at all. Eureka was a lot of fun in my mind I felt part of the community.
I don't have it in me to kill one group of mobs for hours on ends.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Pagos was expected to take a dip around this time while people focus on doing newer content like the MSQ and raids. You can bet that in a couple of weeks the player count going in there will rise again, probably not to pre-4.4 levels immediately but it'll still be a few there to do stuff with.

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Yeah, Pyros is coming out in 5 weeks, apparently. I'm guessing that a bunch of people will work on Pagos as that gets closer. I did Pagos pretty regularly before 4.4, but I haven't touched it since the patch. I've got too much to do with the patch at the moment.

I'm stuck at 32. Just got that last damn Aetheryte. I'm just hate that it always takes forever to get an invite to a group. Only when NM pops, do I get an invite and then disband and start over looking for a group. This was before the patch.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

If there's no one in pagos, it's the perfect time to farm hakutaku eyes, take advantage while you can :P (since bunny fates die quick when there is few people)

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not when drop rates are so abysmal. I'm glad I got the relic a couple weeks back as I knew this would happen by gating your relic progression to other players and unfair RNG. Sure, previous relic light grinds had you running dungeons/fates but at least those you can do at your own pace and you can queue solo. In Pagos you need a team to chain lights and you need a team to get full nm credit. Anything solo in Pagos won't get you anywhere. Pagos is bad period and they should feel bad.

Anemos isn't faring much better.
Two people in my FC tried to get in at various times yesterday: Mid-morning (empty but no surprise really), afternoon, early evening, mid-evening and late. Not once could either of them get a group, both had to give up.
This content desperately needs a level-synch (and a few other fixes). Nobody from the FC could go in and help them with the challenge log or light because we are all at different levels.

Personally, I'm waiting for the nerf before I set foot in Pagos again, but I would like my dyeable AF gear from Anemos. I'm wondering how long it's going to be viable to get that.

What is there to expect, the Relic is basically useless this expansion so many including myself who have done all Relics from 2.0 up until now do not bother anymore.
I have multiple Relics for the first Eureka but gave up now.

@ Marxam, you make very good points.
Eureka they had said before it was released that one could work on their own or join up with others. Of course we all now see you have to join trains to get anywhere.

I have more entertaining things to do with my time than running Pagos.... like watching paint dry.

I'm not waiting on nerfs to try Pagos personally, it's not that Pagos is too long or difficult, it's that I don't find anything in the style of gameplay engaging. The whole grinding the same mobs, without speaking or taking breaks due to chains, for little reward, when the ff14 rotation really isn't meant for extended use over several hours, just isn't my cup of tea.

It would need a rework. Anemos was poor content, but at least I could chill and chat with a nice group. The way Pagos is, I'm never stepping foot in there. I don't pay a monthly sub for entertainment so I can force myself to burn weeks on something I don't enjoy.

Wish they would implement a level sync feature that was implemented in Final Fantasy XI. The one where you pick a party member to sync down to....Makes no sense this wasn't in there at the start of anemos.

I just think it is very interesting and poor design if you need multiple people to complete the content but in an instance that can hold 144 people you can't find 8 people that want to do it. I've been around a while and have seen a dip in interest in older content when new patches come out but I think this the first content that I've seen that has had a drop off like this, well maybe Daidem was worst but I'm not sure

Idk why they didnt nerf the amounts you need, anemos still needs the insane amount of crystals but welp you need to do fates for with people, kinda hard if no one is around.

No point in Pagos when you can buy a better weapon off the MB now.

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No one likes Diadem.

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I popped in last night and there were 18 people in the instance that was an hour old. I guess it's hit or miss. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Had a full instance as usual tonight, pretty well organised too, FATES popping quickly. Even got a Louhi and was high enough to get two of the items and then dinged 35 so pretty pleased with my evening. I have thoroughly enjoyed Pagos, I have duo-ed/trio-ed the entirety of it and pretty much have the lights I need to finish my weapon. Just short a few Pagos crystals and 1 Louhi ice. Really looking forward to Pyros and how that works, sounds very interesting. I frankly can't praise Eureka enough, it's given me something to do that isn't being stuck in a dungeon with people who can't even be bothered to say hi or bye, rewards me with tomes as well as bucketfuls of material, and reignited my enjoyment in playing a battle class outside the MSQ. LEVEL SYNC would ne nice though

All of Eureka will be a wasteland. All the Diadem variant instances will suffer the same abandonware fate.

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Even Anemos was 144/144 most of the time, and it was not such a great piece of content that the comunity loved (we learned to tolerate it tho, but apparently the devs didn't like how we did it). That Pagos has these numbers, is ashaming.

As someone said up there, paying for entertainment and getting something as boring as this is a no-no (especially given how the combat is not actually designed for mindless grinding during hours and hours). Many of us seem to prefer to do something else with our time. Now you'll say that plenty of others enjoy it, but how will future players complete their relics once Eureka gets completely abandoned? Seeing the trend, that's not going to be far down the line. To me that's an utter failure, and a waste of resources.

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Even Anemos was 144/144 most of the time, and it was not such a great piece of content that the comunity loved (we learned to tolerate it tho, but apparently the devs didn't like how we did it). That Pagos has these numbers, is ashaming.

As someone said up there, paying for entertainment and getting something as boring as this is a no-no (especially given how the combat is not actually designed for mindless grinding during hours and hours). Many of us seem to prefer to do something else with our time. Now you'll say that plenty of others enjoy it, but how will future players complete their relics once Eureka gets completely abandoned? Seeing the trend, that's not going to be far down the line. To me that's an utter failure, and a waste of resources.

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Oh I totaly agree with all of your argument, I truely hate it and only keep going in the easy slow way only for the sake of having all tree bard Relic weapon and because hopelessly I don't think they will go back for the SB relic, so I deal with it on the train doing barely anything. At best they will have to nerf the s**t out of it for people to get their relic next extention.

Was just pointing out its not dead yet and people wishing to finish this hell of a grind can still jump on it while its still doable.

You also need to remember that the 121/144 was the total from the entire data center. Think about that for a moment, out of 150,000+ active players per DC, they got 121. That’s 0.08%, that’s so low it’s painful. It’s time to fix Pagos before Pyros is DOA due to less than 1% of the player base being eligible to enter. As it stands now, more people raid savage than play Eureka. So much for casual friendly content.

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You also need to remember that the 121/144 was the total from the entire data center. Think about that for a moment, out of 150,000+ active players per DC, they got 121. That’s 0.08%, that’s so low it’s painful. It’s time to fix Pagos before Pyros is DOA due to less than 1% of the player base being eligible to enter. As it stands now, more people raid savage than play Eureka. So much for casual friendly content.

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To be honest we don't know how many Pagos instances are active at any given time but I suspect it still accounts for a percentage of well under 10% of the player base.

Today it was busier but still low. I even decided to try and instance hop to see if there are multiple instances but I put back in the same one. This today on a Friday evening when it is usually busy.

I don't know how to post pictures from my computer but around 7:30 PM the instance was 63, then 64, the 75 after three different attempts to instance hop. It is easier to find a group if you're in your 30's like me but it looks like it would be hard for anyone in their low to mid 20's.