Found these out there in webland. Claims 100% HQ from NQ materials.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...1kJaxtz8g/edit
I consider the 35 durability one innovative.
And I never knew you could macro CC skills.
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Found these out there in webland. Claims 100% HQ from NQ materials.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...1kJaxtz8g/edit
I consider the 35 durability one innovative.
And I never knew you could macro CC skills.
I do not quite have the craftsmanship or control for blessing macros, so I do gamble macros with patient touch and miracle+rumination to push more synth actions. All NQ, which means I'll be selling those HQ ores and logs I have in my inventory.
I want to kiss the genius who came up with the miracle+rumination trick. Made crafting so much easier.
I seem to be doing just fine with my 3 star macros... only slight modifications were needed. The 4 star recipes were, once again, rather disappointing. (I didn't even finish my overmelds...)
I just tried the 35 dura and it worked. I'll test the 70 out later.
Hmm, interesting. Specialist macros make me cry, though. They have ever since specialists locls were largely eliminated. I'll have to do some experimenting with modified 3 star rotations even if it means the risk of NQing an item or two. I plan on getting 380 gear down before I do too much 4.4 battle content.
Crafted a full 380 set with my usual 3 star rotations and slight modifications.
So far I'm playing it safeish, using food and tea and some hq materials in the finished product, but none of it seems very difficult. I'd imagine once we have 4 star up on the sims and can work out the optimal rotations, the pieces won't be more difficult than Onishi. I'm running minimum craftmanship (1620 without food, so I use tempura) without issues, but I might meld to 1650 and switch to Matcha later, I can see potential for it to be more efficient for non-specialist rotations. Will see.
Sort of disappointing tbh. I was hoping the final endgame crafted items would be some challenge, rather than a day 1 crafts with old rotations.
For 70 durab items (for specialist), I used a modified version of your rotation, Liam.
Caimie's Liam mod #1 (557 CP):
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/echo Liam rotat #1 for 4.3/4.4 gear ended <se.2>
Caimie's Liam mod #2:
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/echo Liam rotat #2 for 4.3/4.4 gear - CHECK! <se.2>
Caimie's Liam mod #3:
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/echo Liam rotat #3 for 4.3/4.4 gear ended <se.7>
For 35 durab (non-specialist), I extensively modified Katlyna's rotation, and got something that works very robustly:
Caimie's Katlyna Non-Specialist Rotation (558 CP)
/ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Patient Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch II" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/echo Non-spec Macro #1 complete <se.2>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
For 35 durab (specialist), I used Visuvius's rotation.
Visuvius's Specialist Rotation (535 CP):
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/echo 3/4 star 35 durab - 535 CP Macro#1 done <se.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/echo 3/4 star 35 durab - 535 CP Macro#2 done <se.4>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo 3/4 star 35 durab - 535 CP Macro#3 done <se.6>
Caimie sempai and all the crafter sempai, is there a 4.4 macro for ppl like me with minimum stats? >. <!
You should really try to do your own rotations. At first I was a bit lost and nervous, but it quickly became really fun!
Crafting simulators don't seem up to date yet so right now I'm focusing on my melding (which is going very badly, SE having an issue with statistics), but as soon as they include 4.4 crafts, you should try.
Doing your own macros can better apply to your current stat. And if in a pinch, there's always Maker's Mark rotation.
Well, to be fair, people with minimal stats probably should not be able to effectively macro things. "Reliable macro-ing" is supposed to be reserved for those who melded their heart out. This is for players who need to massively craft stuff. So their investment of very expensive melds would be justified. If someone just need to craft a few items, then manual crafting is usually the way to go, and it will only require minimal stats.
However, you can still try some of those macros I have. As far as I know, one could have a lot less craftsmanship, and still be able to complete the items using my macros. But what the minimum craftsmanship is, that I don't know. It's tough to check especially when the new recipes are not yet available on the crafting simulator (http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/#/simulator)
I agree with what Kalayel said above. One thing to do, would be to manually make an ingot (35 durab) or make an infusion (70 durab), and test whether one's minimal stats are able to complete the item using the "completion method" in a given macro. Don't do any quality push, but to add in an extra "Manip2" if need.... just so that you can at least complete the item even if the "completion method" failed. Since ingots and infusions are not completely "obsolete" when NQ, they can still be useful. With this, one will now know whether those given macros are usable. If the macros are unable to complete the item, then modify them on your own. This is the part, which you can step up, and play, and be more involved in development a macro that suits your own stats.
Another thing to do, would be just like you said, to use a Maker's Mark rotation. That is, to "properly" do things manually in the strongest way possible. Maker's Mark rotations are usually much stronger than Initial Prep rotations or Muscle Memory rotations. It is expected that even with minimal stats, this will be sufficient to HQ almost anything.
If you have true tier minimum stats, then you can either get by with Maker's Mark and/or Whistle (with Initial Prep), it will be sufficient enough to get you plenty of Gil so you can work on remelding for more stats, or whatever.
If you're macroing, you might be saving yourself the pain of working your wrists, but you will also wasting A LOT of time.
Thanks for everyone's advice. I have found it. But it requires some hq mats so I guess is ok :p
So my macros for 4.3 worked as written for both build and final items. I put in as many HQ bits as I could other than the mendacity items for safety, but I could have easily used far less. On the one hand, it's disappointing that there's no new techniques required, but on the other I have my first set of i380 gear before doing any of the battle content this patch.
The strangest thing happened, today. I used teamcraft's simulator to try and create some macro. Specialist and non-specialist 35 dura macro worked, specialist 70 dura macro worked too but the non-specialist 70 dura macro failed (good thing I tried with a ring first). I was able to use every single move in the macro, but fell short of 5 synthesis point while I was one point ahead in my simulation. So I reopened the simulator, entered manually the macro and... impossible to finish the craft. According to the simulator, I'm missing something like 20 CP to make the last two moves, and even if I had them, the synthesis would still lack more than 200 points.
I'm sitting there, trying to understand what went from "Ok, this macro works in the simulator." to "ok, this exact same macro with exact same stats doesn't work at all."
So I scrambled to do all my overmelding prior to this patch and I can't seem to find any reliable information on what a "good" stat threshold is.
As a non-specialist without food or tea, I'm sitting at 1701 CRA, 1663 CON, and 493 CP. I only have CP melds on my tools, so if I need some extra stats I can put them there, but I'm really nervous to even start as I don't have much gil to invest in failed crafts atm ;.; Thoughts?
@Elamys:
If it can be of any help, I recently crafted a full gear for my main classe (WHM) with those stats: 1673 craft, 1659 control and 479 CP.
I can't finish my melding as long as I'm missing lvl V control materias, so I gave it a go and it worked. I had all my macros gone because of a reinstall, but the ones I made to craft my gear weren't that different from those used in 4.3, if I had to guess. Therefore, with your stats, you should be able to make macros powerful enough.
Here's what I used:
35 dura, non-specialist (Katlyna's rotation):
/ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Patient Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Patient Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/echo Craft finished <se.3>
35 dura, specialist (could be improved with your amount of CP):
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>
/ac Innovation <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo Craft finished <se.3>
70 dura, non-specialist (starting quality: 6000):
/ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #2 finished <se.2>
70 dura specialist (starting quality: 4000):
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
Note that, with my stats, I could craft the 35 dura without using tea. However, I had to use tea for the 70 dura crafts. But lucky you! With your amount of CP, you don't need tea at all, so it's less time and material consuming.
Also note that the 35 dura specialist doesn't go completely to 100% but you get at minimum 91% HQ chance with all NQ material. However, the 35 dura non-specialist has RNG with the use of two patient touch. Since ff14's statistics miss more than often, it has the potential to ruin your craft, so maybe become specialist where there are less items to do.
Thank you very much, Kalayel! It's been harder than usual for some reason this patch to find clear information on what to expect or gear for. I've never been very good at coming up with my own rotations so I've given up at this point.
Well, after all, the patch just came out so everything's still in research mode. But making rotations isn't that hard with a bit of practice, the ones I made are quite basic and could use some improvements ^^
Craft sims now have 4 star gear up. If accurate, it's even easier to max progress now than with Onishi but harder to max quality. For example, I can tweak my non specialist rotation to function with a careful Synth III replacing an Observe-Focused, and the quality drop from 4.3 is about 3k.
Will have to test it a bit. But could end up changing the old macros a little.
EDIT: Sims are currently somewhat inaccurate for 4 star.
I thought, I could throw in one my rotations aswell. Maybe it will help someone or maybe someone can help me improving it (maybe with 12 less cp, so I don't need to use the medicine?) :P
This is my specialist 4star 35 dura rotation from 0 HQ mats, I am currently using:
CP: 556 (490 Base + Matcha HQ + Medicine NQ)
Control: 1747 (1686 Base + Matcha HQ) // edited
Craftsmanship: 1694
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/echo FINISH! s4star-35d-556cp 1/2 <se.2>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"
Not sure if this rotation is optimal, though.
I am mainly using this for the procoptodon leather, as both materials are bought with stones. And I didn't want to buy HQ mats or invest into a more expensive meld build.
It produces like 23k quality. With cheap melds, I just sometimes overmelded a single level 5 materia and the rest is level 4.
EDIT:
CP cheaper version (thanks to Liam_Harper):
CP: 540
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/echo FINISH! s4star-35d-540cp 1/2 <se.2>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"
It's almost the same quality (just around 600 less than above), but requires 16 less CP.
That's a rather impressive rotation. Outclasses the old Visuvius on quality.
To cheapen it a bit on tea costs, try replacing Part 2 of your macro with:
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
The differences are Manip I instead of II and dropping Ingenuity II in the finisher to a plain Ingenuity. I gave it a test ingame and despite sims being wonky and showing differently, I finished the craft comfortably 100% hq with nq mats with 1689 craft, 1728 control.
I admit I'm not too fussed if a material comes out NQ occasionally and just use rotations that function off NQ tempura. Finished pieces are quite easy to HQ as long as least half of your materials are HQ.
Thanks a lot! I tested it aswell and the quality difference is almost nothing, but with 16 CP less so I can get rid off that medicine :). I edited my post to add that part.
For my own crafts, I agree with you. I am not that unhappy, when material sometimes comes out NHQ, but if I want to sell them it kinda is (not to speak of the personal challenge to push the macro quality^^)
Aye, cheers for sharing. I agree the personal challenge of pushing quality makes it much more interesting. :)
I came up with this modification for running off just NQ Tempura platter alone (cheap from Kugane vendor). It just about got 100% hq with nq mats for me.
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/echo Macro #1 complete <se.1>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Brow" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
Good use of Inguenity II with focused touch and combined with the cheaper brow on specialist! This lowers the CP-Requirement again to 532 CP, but produces less quality. Which is fine, as I overdid it a little with my version (around 2k over the needed value).
I cannot use the NQ Tempura Platter, though. My base control value is too low for this (1686) and I just reach around 91% (without any "good"s). But with NQ Matcha it works like a charm. I use the Matcha tea as standard buff food, so I don't have any problem to use this instead of the tempura platter, but I believe it's nice that my rotation could be modified in a way to work with this less CP :)
EDIT: Though I prefer the 540 CP version from above, cause the quality is more reliable, if the macro encounters some bad excellent-poors before the finisher :)