Would you want to see old attacks updated?

As Stormblood starts comes to a close and we prepare to move on to the next expansion which will probably get revealed at the fanfest in a few months, I've been thinking a lot lately about the combat system and some of the moves that we have. Specifically I was looking at the base melee classes especially with their combo systems and where the game could go next moving forward.

Now my main is Paladin, I've been playing it since I started the game and as we prepare to move to 80 I've been looking at our base combo along with the current base combos for all the jobs. It's got me thinking something: at level 80 (assuming that is the new level cap) do I really want to spend another 10 levels doing the same combos with the same old animations?

Staying on Paladin specifically, Royal Authority and Goring Blade can stay as they were added in Heavensward, but I really want to see some sort of new melee attacks as part of our base combo rather than just the same ones we've been using since level 1. I also understand that not everyone would be fond of new animations and prefer the old ones so I'm suggesting SE give us the option to alter some of our attacks and their visuals. But I'm also confident that I'm not the only paladin that would like to start my combos with something besides fast blade!

I also would want these theoretical new animations to only be for the higher level characters. It makes sense that a low level gladiator still learning their trade would still be using fast blade! But a level 80 paladin after facing everything we have thus far? I feel as though they'd develop more powerful and more advanced sword techniques to use specifically on their enemies... that is to say something besides the attacks we got in HW!

On a gameplay level, it's also a way they can give us new attacks without causing more button bloat. Simply replace some of the lower level combo starter attacks with new fancier moves that could have some sort of secondary effects or higher potency as well.I also believe it would be thematically appropriate as well since, traditionally, in final fantasy games as you learn newer and stronger attacks and face stronger enemies, you stop using the simpler/weaker ones.

Updated animations could easily be implemented as a passive trait you earn at xx level. They could even easily make the new animation a toggle feature in the character customization menu for players who prefer the old animation. Hell, these are the type of things they should gate behind content, so only the players that actually want it will go after it.

The issue I see is if resources should be used towards such changes. But I also see resources being used to glam Zhloe, so you have my support that's for sure.

I think just adding upgraded versions of those abilities would be a good compromise, so when you get high level it automatically switches to the new version of the ability. That way, there's still more variety in animations, low levels can keep the more humble originals, and high levels get the flashier ones that make sense for them.

Considering they updates Bard and Summoner got in Stormblood to the animations on their DOTs, I don't think it's unreasonable other jobs that other jobs might see similar updates.

As a monk, I'm aching for something new for my core rotation as well considering that hasn't changed at all since 2.0, so I understand the desire for even just new animations.

They gave that to mch already (and other classes) might as well run with it and give it to everyone. Some skills really could use a makeover.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

They gave that to mch already (and other classes) might as well run with it and give it to everyone. Some skills really could use a makeover.

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I had actually forgotten about the mch ones! That’s an excellent example actually. They’ve slowly updated things here and there but I think the core melee rotations need some love!

I would like that. Some of the old animations of the first class skills don't really fit thematically with what the job became after 2 expansions. The PLD aggro combo for example. It's perfect for Gladiator, but it doesn't look knightly, noble, holy (or whatever) at all. They could also rename them to something more PLD-like. Actually, they could just remove what's left of classes, make it so that after the lvl 30 quest you change to the job permanently, and remake the abilities and animations.

I didn't play 1.0. Were the current class animations from back then or did they make new ones with 2.0?

yeah i would like this to happen
changing up the combos freshening up the game play and the jobs looks while also not adding button bloat to controllers
Monk needs this the most really imo

PLEASE SE LISTEN TO THIS. I main PLD too and at some point is just too boring to use the combo. I liked the idea they implemented with some skills for other classes that, after certain level, it changes (like Ruin to Broil II for SCH, etc). New skills/animations would be very appreciated, and other additions to the game, instead of glamouring NPCs or mindless grinding broken places. +1 to this suggestion.

I am honestly not opposed to reducing some of the buttons down in the same manner as they did with PVP. I think it's a good way to deal with bloat but to still have and add skills. I am still of the thought it'd be nice to have skill trees but I am unsure how it'd work. I am all for animation changes to any job, especially PLD. PLD is sort of the last bastion of classical animations at this point.

As long as they don't gut skills like they did with DRK. That was terrible

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

As Stormblood starts comes to a close and we prepare to move on to the next expansion which will probably get revealed at the fanfest in a few months, I've been thinking a lot lately about the combat system and some of the moves that we have. Specifically I was looking at the base melee classes especially with their combo systems and where the game could go next moving forward.

Now my main is Paladin, I've been playing it since I started the game and as we prepare to move to 80 I've been looking at our base combo along with the current base combos for all the jobs. It's got me thinking something: at level 80 (assuming that is the new level cap) do I really want to spend another 10 levels doing the same combos with the same old animations?

Staying on Paladin specifically, Royal Authority and Goring Blade can stay as they were added in Heavensward, but I really want to see some sort of new melee attacks as part of our base combo rather than just the same ones we've been using since level 1. I also understand that not everyone would be fond of new animations and prefer the old ones so I'm suggesting SE give us the option to alter some of our attacks and their visuals. But I'm also confident that I'm not the only paladin that would like to start my combos with something besides fast blade!

I also would want these theoretical new animations to only be for the higher level characters. It makes sense that a low level gladiator still learning their trade would still be using fast blade! But a level 80 paladin after facing everything we have thus far? I feel as though they'd develop more powerful and more advanced sword techniques to use specifically on their enemies... that is to say something besides the attacks we got in HW!

On a gameplay level, it's also a way they can give us new attacks without causing more button bloat. Simply replace some of the lower level combo starter attacks with new fancier moves that could have some sort of secondary effects or higher potency as well.I also believe it would be thematically appropriate as well since, traditionally, in final fantasy games as you learn newer and stronger attacks and face stronger enemies, you stop using the simpler/weaker ones.

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Scroll down to the bottom for the PLD rework concept I built.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ork-%28LONG%29

Though not an attack from a melee DPS, I would like to see the ARC/BRD ability Quick Nock get some kind of DoT attached to it. After a discussion in Quarn I had with another player (see thread posted here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ons-%28BARD%29 ) it would make the skill more viable, and less likely to .. well .. burn through my TP as it seems to kinda do poo damage in low level dungeons.

Lots of positive responses to my thread! That's great to see.

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Originally Posted by Zephanoa

I am honestly not opposed to reducing some of the buttons down in the same manner as they did with PVP. I think it's a good way to deal with bloat but to still have and add skills. I am still of the thought it'd be nice to have skill trees but I am unsure how it'd work. I am all for animation changes to any job, especially PLD. PLD is sort of the last bastion of classical animations at this point.

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Skill trees wouldn't happen in this game, SE has made it clear they want a very structured and controlled combat system that we learn to master rather than to customize. But hopefully they change the animations!

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

PLEASE SE LISTEN TO THIS. I main PLD too and at some point is just too boring to use the combo. I liked the idea they implemented with some skills for other classes that, after certain level, it changes (like Ruin to Broil II for SCH, etc). New skills/animations would be very appreciated, ...

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Updates to the skill ala ruin/Broil II is exactly what I'm asking for!

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Monk needs this the most really imo

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I actually agree with this. Their base rotation and animations hasn't changed in the slightest since 50 has it? Using those same attacks is probably super boring at this point.

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Originally Posted by Derio

As long as they don't gut skills like they did with DRK. That was terrible

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I'm not asking for any buttons to be removed necessarily, more for some of our attacks to get updated as we level. Fast blade becomes a new attack, savage blade becomes a new attack, and riot blade becomes a new attack etc. I don't necessarily think the HW and onward jobs need an update to their animations but the vanilla melee jobs (specifically pld/war/mnk/drg) are really due for some new animations for their base attacks.

They need to fix whm more than pld, get their 2 handed animation from 1.0 back, that they still use their 1 handed animation when 1 handed sticks no longer exist after level 50 is ridiculous, they should hold their cane with both hands, whm current pose is a disaster.
Their lb3 should also be redone entirely, it is extremely underwhelming compared to sch and ast.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

They need to fix whm more than pld, get their 2 handed animation from 1.0 back, that they still use their 1 handed animation when 1 handed sticks no longer exist after level 50 is ridiculous, they should hold their cane with both hands, whm current pose is a disaster.
Their lb3 should also be redone entirely, it is extremely underwhelming compared to sch and ast.

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I had forgotten about the whm stance! There are lots of things that need an update but without revamping ALL the character assets.

Quite the opposite, at least from what many others seem to be hoping for. I essentially quit Machinist over the gunfu animation changes. Stone III looked tons better than Stone IV, too.

Now, that's not to say there aren't some animation updates that would be for the better, but I want actual quality, not just (eye-gouging) flair.

Auto-attacks, unique casting animations/effects, and spell projectiles are actually what I'd like to see focused first though.

Remember the outcry for "why can't we have Lightning and Fireballs like the cinematic WoL BLM has?!!"? I remember.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Considering they updates Bard and Summoner got in Stormblood to the animations on their DOTs, I don't think it's unreasonable other jobs that other jobs might see similar updates.

As a monk, I'm aching for something new for my core rotation as well considering that hasn't changed at all since 2.0, so I understand the desire for even just new animations.

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*Cries in Bard* but at what cost we lost Flaming Arrow & Wide Volley our most beautiful AOEs.

Honestly, they could take inspiration from how pvp skills work right now: they have one button doing multiple skills at once and if we had something like that not only we would have fewer buttons to press, but theoretically, we could also have upgradable versions of the same as well.

Maybe it's time to have some sort of talent tree that allows us to customize our combo rotations? Nah I'm sure we'll get 5-10 more skills to bloat our already bloated skill bar and call it a day: Please look forward to it!

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Quite the opposite, at least from what many others seem to be hoping for. I essentially quit Machinist over the gunfu animation changes. Stone III looked tons better than Stone IV, too.

Now, that's not to say there aren't some animation updates that would be for the better, but I want actual quality, not just (eye-gouging) flair.

Auto-attacks, unique casting animations/effects, and spell projectiles are actually what I'd like to see focused first though.

Remember the outcry for "why can't we have Lightning and Fireballs like the cinematic WoL BLM has?!!"? I remember.

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The gunfu actually made me like Mch again because I hated the base animations that it had at the time and I hear what you're saying for stone III and stone IV but that's exactly what I'm looking for, old attacks to be replaced to symbolize that our character has gotten stronger by learning new attacks. Plus, it's more in the spirit of final fantasy itself where once you learned a higher tier of spell or ability, you stopped using the old ones against your strongest opponents.

I hear what you're saying about not wanting it to be just be flashy for the sake of being flashy, but the base melee attacks for pld/mrd/drg/mnk could use some love with a bit more variety in casting animations, especially for blm I agree. In comparison to the new attacks we have, the old stuff is really starting to feel dated.

It’d be nice if they made fell cleave flashier. I feel like warriors aren’t the center of attention anymore.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah i would like this to happen
changing up the combos freshening up the game play and the jobs looks while also not adding button bloat to controllers
Monk needs this the most really imo

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