Patch 4.4 MCH

A 4.4 patch has been announced but not adjustment on MCH yet! Shame on SE.

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Originally Posted by AlvinOwl

A 4.4 patch has been announced but not adjustment on MCH yet! Shame on SE.

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Tbh I wouldn't expect any change until 5.0

As cluncky as it is, it's still in a good position and I suppose they don't want to change that.
But yeah it's disapointing, I was hoping for something

I m glad they didnt even tried to make some adjustments this time.

You answer it's like they make mess every time they touch it! Isn't?

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Originally Posted by AlvinOwl

You answer it's like they make mess every time they touch it! Isn't?

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Yep. The class is almost playable. I have no idea what could happen if they change one tiny thing. But that doesnt mean, they could do things.

In my opinion, they could at least make the overdrive instant, because it took about 1-2 seconds until your hit lands. And they should increase overheat to 11s, because the time to fit all skills into it, is very tight. Just some QoL-changes without touching potencies.

By the way, what is MCH?
You wrote also in the Japanese forum, but we didn't understand your opinion very much.

I understood this thread reading.
MCH is Machinist, I see.
But, I think that even if you write it on a Japanese forum it will be erased by SE(japan staff).

I don't know how to translate MCH. By the way if you understand this thread can I have your opinion instead of your criticism? Ty :)

Some small adjustments would be appreciated sure, but to fix the core issue of MCH similar to DRK, they would need to rework the job again greatly which usually is done around expansion time when they increase levels on all jobs.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Some small adjustments would be appreciated sure, but to fix the core issue of MCH similar to DRK, they would need to rework the job again greatly which usually is done around expansion time when they increase levels on all jobs.

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Well, I really appreciate it too. I don't mind honestly when but I hope will be soon! :)

Waiting for the +0,5% on Hypercharge lol.

Ya know, I get the gripes with it, but speaking plainly, aside from just making the windows a bit more forgiving, as even on good ping it's possible to miss it due to server ticks, I don't have a problem with the Job's flow.

I'd like more things to do during the build up phase, but I rather like the overheat / wildfire phase. The 10 seconds or so prior when you're gauging your set up while dealing with mechanics is the closest I've had to a good flow of game information and adjusting to it.

There's nothing like reloading in the middle of battle.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Ya know, I get the gripes with it, but speaking plainly, aside from just making the windows a bit more forgiving, as even on good ping it's possible to miss it due to server ticks, I don't have a problem with the Job's flow.

I'd like more things to do during the build up phase, but I rather like the overheat / wildfire phase. The 10 seconds or so prior when you're gauging your set up while dealing with mechanics is the closest I've had to a good flow of game information and adjusting to it.

There's nothing like reloading in the middle of battle.

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It really is a lot depending on the fight, but I think it's taught me to be better on my feet in general. Like being focused on my hotbars during overheat wildfire while still dodging stuff on screen, since nearly every major mechanic happens in a wildfire window. Fun stuff lol

I do think it would be a nice QoL if Overheat was made to cover 6 GCDs instead of 10 sec timer. Would just make it a lot more consistent performance wise.

I really dislike the changes they made from HW Machinist to SB, everything used to flow so much more naturally, the opening burst was cathartic as all hell, it flowed nicely, you had to keep up Hotshot and Leadshot, you naturally slide into your burst as the fight progresses, it all flowed so smoothly.

Now I think its just too rigid, messing up a single oGCD can cause you to fumble your burst, the heat gauge felt like such a silly addition, the job gains nothing but a headache from it, not to mention flamethrower is the most underwhelming skill I have ever seen implemented in the game, it also doesn't feel good to use.

Not having a cast bar is nice, but they took a fun job, took away a lot of its nice abilities, made it incredibly rigid and if the slew of bandaid fixes are any indication, have absolutely no idea what they want to do with it, I really hope 5.0 gives it a nice overhaul, but I won't hold my breath.

MCH, DRK and RDM.

They are the three jobs that really needs some modification.
MCH because it's too clunky / too much hard to play.
DRK, same things, this job lose all what makes it the DRK at the beginning.
And RDM because a job that played so much like this is not okay, that's mean something is wrong with it. For my part, I'll say it's too much easy, it's like "You don't want to bother ? Play RDM", and I really think it is toxic for the players.

SE needs to think a little about what they're doing now, I don't have the number yet, but I'm pretty sure the game is little by little set aside by a lot of players recently. And since SB, the number of tank has dropped - I mean, I *feel* like this number has dropped. I can't tell it with 100% accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Yep. The class is almost playable. I have no idea what could happen if they change one tiny thing. But that doesnt mean, they could do things.

In my opinion, they could at least make the overdrive instant, because it took about 1-2 seconds until your hit lands. And they should increase overheat to 11s, because the time to fit all skills into it, is very tight. Just some QoL-changes without touching potencies.

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I agree, beside small things like this (which I was kinda hoping for) I don't think they should touch the MCH.
I was personally wishing for a removal of Rapid Fire animation lock, to make weaving a bit easier.
We are at the end of SB, the last raid tier is about to come out with savage available from the get go, it is not the time to touch something that is in a good position.

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Originally Posted by Azerhan

MCH, DRK and RDM.
They are the three jobs that really needs some modification.
MCH because it's too clunky / too much hard to play.
DRK, same things, this job lose all what makes it the DRK at the beginning.
And RDM because a job that played so much like this is not okay, that's mean something is wrong with it. For my part, I'll say it's too much easy, it's like "You don't want to bother ? Play RDM", and I really think it is toxic for the players.

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I agree for MCH
For DRK, I personally much prefer the newer version altough perhaps a bit less DA spam would be preferable. Oh I also hate CnS, kinda pointless.

Regarding RDM, while I agree the core rotation is easy, there's still quite huge of a gap between top RDM and average RDM. I've been watching some very high dps RDM and god they keep jumping around it's impressive.
Personally, the one thing I'd like RDM to get (which could arguably be a nerf mobility wise) would be to reduce the "recast timer" after casting VerAero/Thunder.
I'd like RDM to be the opposite of BLM, where BLM is your slow hard hitting bazooka, the RDM would be the gattling gun of caster. I really dislike the 2.5 window of "of i'm doing nothing" after a veraero/thunder. I wish the next gcd would quick start so I could be chain casting non-stop.

I think this would make the job funnier to play as you'd have less downtime and need to be more aware of your proc overall. Currently you have 2.5s after every verT/A, if they'd add "reduce the recast time of the next skill by 1.5s" aftera verT/A, you wouldn't have much time to choose your next skill, everything would be much faster.
The one biggest issue with this would be the nerf of mobility, but my guess is that they could easily add some sort of "Ruin2" like spell like "VerIce"

Anyway, those were my2cents

For DRK, I really think they should bring back to what it was before. I know some of you love it much better now, however you're not a majority, and also, a lot of players was asking to make the DRK easier, like now, but they don't play it ! The DRK is still the last tank in the game, and worse : those who like it before dislike it now. Such a shame, before SB I was thinking about become main DRK, and now, I just play it to help friends to tag in dj.
Why do you dislike CnS ? I think it's one of the best ogcd from the DRK...

Idk how they can make the RDM more interesting. Though, they need to do something for it, it's not normal to have a dps played that much.

What about Overheat not starting it's countdown until you perform a GCD action?

It would help a bit I think (not a lot for high-ping players, though), and it sort of makes logical sense?

Flamethrower until barrel is Overheated > barrel is now Overheated > SHOT > Overheat duration countdown commences

I don't know, but seems at least a bit more friendly if they are against adding to duration or changing it to count GCDs

Overheat not counting down before Flamethrower is canceled and Rapid Fire shortening animation locks would be the two key things to making the current MCH design more playable, along with no Gauss Barrel or Turret reapplication to give more rotational freedom with skill speed. But alas, we have some unofficial information (a Gamescom worker asked Yoshi) that they're only planning to implement changes for the next expansion with no changes planned for their dps potential.

...So, what we need here is a fully rework of the MCH! We need the MCH better again!

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Originally Posted by AlvinOwl

...So, what we need here is a fully rework of the MCH! We need the MCH better again!

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Jobs usually get reworked to some extent every expansion.

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Originally Posted by Azerhan

Why do you dislike CnS ? I think it's one of the best ogcd from the DRK....

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Because it's a boring spell, it's just there to be mindlessly used once a minute.

It's strong, I agree but it's not something fun about the DRK.

When you learn Salted Earth, it'd cool, it clearly improve your game play and experience (namely in dungeon) but when my DRK turned 60 and I learned CnS, upon reading the skill I was really disappointed. Like "OK... My ultimate HW skill is... An ogcd that does nothing but dmg."

that's the problem I have with it, it's boring.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

Because it's a boring spell, it's just there to be mindlessly used once a minute.

It's strong, I agree but it's not something fun about the DRK.

When you learn Salted Earth, it'd cool, it clearly improve your game play and experience (namely in dungeon) but when my DRK turned 60 and I learned CnS, upon reading the skill I was really disappointed. Like "OK... My ultimate HW skill is... An ogcd that does nothing but dmg."

that's the problem I have with it, it's boring.

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CnS can save you when you died to get mana, or in big pull to get enough mana for TBN or just DA + AD if needed. In pack I always do that, it's much fluid when I play like this - and maybe it's not the good way in dps term, but it's quite funnier imo.

But I agree, I would prefer much more intelligent utilisation of this kind of spell.

Carve and Spit is a mana management tool. If you're low, use it to gain some more. If you've got plenty, use DA + CnS to burn some so you don't cap and waste it. It's not the most exciting tool, but it's useful.

Reminder that we don't even need a full rework to make MCH more playable, literally just this:

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Overheat not counting down before Flamethrower is canceled and Rapid Fire shortening animation locks would be the two key things to making the current MCH design more playable, along with no Gauss Barrel or Turret reapplication to give more rotational freedom with skill speed.

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Would be a nice start. Doesn't alter the current design. No massive reworks. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people would also like a rework considering the top rated comment on reddit 5.0 wishlist is basically delete everything and start over but there are steps we could take before that instead of having a broken job for another 8 months.