Add Time Mage Already Or Astrologian Rewind JA|MA Or LB

Where's the innovation?

Where's the innovation or the risks that players claim SE is not willing to take? I say if a new job get released, Time Mage would be of a good utility & also very unexpected.

Sure some players ask for Blue Mage & some for Geomancer which could follow lore but.Time Mage would readjust XIV gameplay by quite a bit in my opinion as they could get the magic demi & some sort of ability to undo the last couple bad steps into a fight which could change the output in the end if players manage to react accordingly.

Rewind could be added in multiple ways, make it a tremendously long cooldown ability or a spell that consume all mp with a long cooldown or|OR even if thats too far upon fetching the idea, then turn that into a Limitbreak.

With the current game situation,rarely fights are going to be able to go throught salvation if either the enemy is not low enough on health for remaining players to finish the battle or if both healers are dead then everyone suffer from it by not having cures & raises unless situationally they got another mage able to handle it.

I think adding rewind as a limitbreak could give everyone a chance to get back on track & that would for sure open possibilitys throught the outcome of a battle & its mechanics.If adding Time Mage for this is not an option, please at least consider maybe giving a little Ooommmff spike to a limitbreak.

I do think it would be cool for astrologian to have this if not a Time Mage.I would gladly take a rewind LB over raisega as it would kinda feel like a Final Attack Pheonix Summon in the FF7 game.



P.s: For how far back in time it would launch everybody, I let that timer for you all to discuss, too short of a time? Too long of a time? What would be the good # for it?
Also while some players mentionned on making GCD faster Time Mage could maybe possibly turn out a battle to happen slower for a short period of time like some sort of max payne slowmotion mode.
REWIND <<<< healer RESCUE.

The Astrologians magic is about rewinding damage taken though, at least in the lore. They still have more expansions to come where AST will probably need more time mage inspired moves, but I don't think we will get another time focused job. Gravity is basically Demi in the context of this battle system. You couldn't have fractions of damage like in traditional games, and an AoE almost move is already there.

Demi could totally be added in its true form of dropping monster health by half, even if cutting hp by half was to only work outside of dungeons & trials & raids then do something different in there, it does not have to be an AoE either(I have never considered gravity as\like demi & I never will).

I think Time Mage could be a DPS role also,that way,without only having the hope of dealing enough dmgs with an LB, there could be the actual opportunity for a damage dealing job to reverse a bad outcome.

This could also teach players a thing or two.

Anemos & pagos regular monsters have too much health & defense? Demi, clear half the fight already.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

Anemos & pagos regular monsters have too much health & defense? Demi, clear half the fight already.

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Class ideas are great, but do you really feel, compared to the other classes, this is a fair skill?

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Originally Posted by Ruf

Anemos & pagos regular monsters have too much health & defense? Demi, clear half the fight already.

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That would break the game. Also Demi has always been referred to as a gravity attack, which we have in the Gravity spell.

Anyway I read once that AST itself is time mage already and it's abilities were based on that. It can extend buff duration for example.

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Originally Posted by Zyneste

Class ideas are great, but do you really feel, compared to the other classes, this is a fair skill?

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It really depend on how they would implement it,so yes I do as long as its implemented properly & im sure players have plenty of ideas for that.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

That would break the game. Also Demi has always been referred to as a gravity attack, which we have in the Gravity spell.

Anyway I read once that AST itself is time mage already and it's abilities were based on that. It can extend buff duration for example.

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Extending a buff duration is not actually controlling time but potency of its duration(& that can be many factors), time is ticking thats normal in life, skipping time backward is a whole new and different story tho.


P.s: I am talking about the actual spell effect & it could even be swapped to a job ability instead of a cast but the point is gravity is not halving the target hp & no doing this would not break the game, actually it would be great for all players in a party.Weight does not have to affect demi, it could just drain the target away of half its lifetime.There is several text descriptions demi could have.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

Extending a buff duration is not actually controlling time, time is ticking thats normal in life, skipping time backward is a whole new story tho.


P.s: I am talking about the actual spell effect & it could even be swapped to a job ability instead of a cast but the point is gravity is not halving the target hp & no doing this would not break the game, actually it would be great for all players in a party.Weight does not have to affect demi, it could just drain the target away from half its lifetime.There is several text descriptions Demi could have.

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Every party would REQUIRE an AST at that point. Plus imagine fighting a savage or ultimate mode fight and cutting it's HP in half in 1 move. That is broken as hell. Even against normal monsters only, it's still too op.

Also extending buff duration IS controlling time. It's called slowing it down. Slow down the timer so it lasts longer.

I did say that it could do something else in dungeons & trials | raids (as far as demi go), I never said to cut notorious monsters (bosses healths by half) I am talking about regular targets.

P.s: + I never said that i would like Astrologian to get demi, I dont want Astrologian to get demi althought it would be cool, I want REWIND to get added to the game & yes it would change the game dynamic by a lot & it would be the intention (intentional).

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

Also extending buff duration IS controlling time. It's called slowing it down. Slow down the timer so it lasts longer.

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Not necessarily, time dilation & celestial opposition are just magic enhancements from the root of life so in other terms, its not affecting the monster swinging speed *maybe cycles but thats something players already are aware of as they skip phases already* nor does it affect other players speed by much (compared to rewinding the whole reality of the battle) & if we want to talk about arrow card as an example,sure it does affect speed but dark knight can blood weapon to do that and ninja with huton,plus ninja can maintain that speed if done properly, aka: infinite buff & time control from the way you view this?

If you whisper to someone or yell at someone, the voice intonation is different obviously & that's just a matter of the energy you put at it,also if you yell,the echoing should be reaching further unless I am mistaken.

Rewind would be a second chance inside a battle & i think that this would help a lot of players while being cool at the same time.

I think OPs ideas are cool but in my opinion AST is already dominating the "time mage" aesthetic. If anything, more time mage related abilities may be added to the AST toolkit in later expansions.

AST is most definitely all the Time Mage we'll ever get. Fun fact: In the FF series, Time Magic is synonymous with Space Magic and in some instances is even called Time & Space Magic in Japan (Source).

AST's Time & Space magic is as follows according to various dev lore posts, lorebooks, etc.:

Gravity: Uses Space & Time to amplify the effect of gravity, crushing targets (with more damage being dealt to the target at the center of the distortion).
Combust: Uses Space & Time to create a theoretical sun, the proximity to the heat is what's causing DoT.
Celestial Opposition: Uses Space to alter fates, interacting with Time to halt it (resulting in stun on enemies and buffs lasting longer).
Time Dilation: Uses Time to draw out the duration of buffs.
Earthly Star: Uses Space to bring down a (likely theoretical) star that, when it explodes, shows the bodies of the Bole (defense), Ewer (life giving) and Balance (destruction) to directly impact the star's effect.
Lightspeed: Uses Time to compress your own speed, resulting in faster actions at half the cost.

Their Limit Break is Rewind in all but name as it is used to "change the course of history to your favor."

The other abilities (sects, aspected, Essential Dignity, Ascend, all card actions, Synastry, Collective Unconscious) all deal with the astrological side of AST (as opposed to the astronomical).

These thee fit somewhere in the middle of astrological and astronomical:

Malefic: Uses Space to attune the AST's unaspected aether to the malefic(ent) bodies to create a malevolent outcome.
Benefic: Uses Space to attune the AST's unaspected aether to the benefic(ent) bodies to create a beneficial outcome.
Helios: See Benefic, using yourself as the center of a theoretical solar system.

In physics, spacetime pertains to any interwoven space and time mathematical calculation. Time Mage has always done this (and sometimes more, a la Quake) in the series, and AST continues that tradition.

To take a look at previous Time Magic spells in use on AST:

Regen: Diurnal aspect spells.
Gravity: Gravity
Quick: Lightspeed (also Swiftcast)
Return/Rewind/Undo: LB3
Speed: Spire/Ewer
Stop: Celestial Opposition
Disable: Disable (PVP)
Balance: Essential Dignity (same thing but repurposed as a heal). Also Balance card. Also Minor Arcana mechanic.
Immobilize: Present on yourself with Collective Unconscious, otherwise present in Stella (Removed)
Reflect: Present in Synastry, "reflecting" (in a sense) some HP healed on other players to the buffed player.

Other abilities: Teleport/Warp=Rescue/Teleport/Return, Break=Break, Comet=Caster LB, Meteor=BLM LB3, Vanish=Hide, Float=Mechanic, Berserk=WAR schtick, Hastega=Fey Wind, Quake Line=Stone Line, Quarter/Demi=enemy moves (would either be entirely over powered (usable on bosses/AoE spell on mob pack) or completely useless (unusable on bosses/single target spell in a mob pack) as a player ability).

So as you can see, Time Mage has a massive presence on AST and the rest has been deconstructed to many other jobs, enemies and mechanics. There's very little left of the Time Mage toolkit and what is left will undoubtedly go to AST. Speed related abilities (Slow Haste), Veil/Vanish (as enmity perhaps), and Reflect (a form of Vengeance using Divine Benison HP determination) could easily make their way into the toolkit while fitting AST's Time & Space theme.

I do think Gravity could more closely resemble the classic spells.
It wouldn't need to reduce hp by half, just scale with hp, inversely to Essential Dignity.
Like, base 100 potency +20 for each 10% hp target has, to a maximum of 300 potency when target is at full hp.

This would make it different from all the other aoe abilities, instead of returns diminishing with more targets, it would diminish with repetition, meaning after so many uses it's effectiveness would plummet. As a healer, this is fitting, some burst aoe damage at the start of a pull, then the for can finish it off and you can heal.

An actual Undo cooldown would be great to have to be honest. Set it once on a target to memorize their HP and put a buff on them. Hit it again to set their target's HP to that value. Limit it by the buff's duration (10-15s), and give it a large cooldown. It would be their equivalent of Benediction but be a little slower. Only WAR would really break it and that could be accounted for.

The only reason I don't want it that badly is Essential Dignity is already really good and AST needs their issues resolved first, not more tools that infringe on WHM's few remaining niches.

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Originally Posted by Grimoire-M

An actual Undo cooldown would be great to have to be honest. Set it once on a target to memorize their HP and put a buff on them. Hit it again to set their target's HP to that value. Limit it by the buff's duration (10-15s), and give it a large cooldown. It would be their equivalent of Benediction but be a little slower. Only WAR would really break it and that could be accounted for.

The only reason I don't want it that badly is Essential Dignity is already really good and AST needs their issues resolved first, not more tools that infringe on WHM's few remaining niches.

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This sounds cool, but would it replace ED or Synastry?
Your Dancer build you posted in the other topic includes a Synastry equivalent, so maybe it should replace that.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

This sounds cool, but would it replace ED or Synastry?
Your Dancer build you posted in the other topic includes a Synastry equivalent, so maybe it should replace that.

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Synastry could be replaced for sure. AST does get mileage out of it but it's too a niche skill at the moment and doesn't actually fit with the rest of their kit. I would probably increase the cooldown on Essential Dignity and/or give Undo a longer cooldown (4 minutes) and have Essential Dignity lower it when used. Adjusting ED's cooldown would have the side effect of affecting Lightspeed as well but that could be solved by improving how much it lowers Lightspeed per use to compensate.