Hardest single hit action? (non-dot)

Hey there,

Just wondering which action in the game can reach the highest number when it direct crits, dots not included.

I'm guessing it would be Foul?

Well SAM's Hissatsu: Guren is pretty powerful, and pairing it with Kaiten is deadly.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Well SAM's Hissatsu: Guren is pretty powerful, and pairing it with Kaiten is deadly.

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I think Kaiten only works on weaponskills, but I'm not logged in so I can't check.

That said, you're not far off. Hissatsu: Guren is their strongest single attack at 800 potency, but paired with Kaiten, Midare Setsugekka comes out at ~1080 potency iirc.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/samurai/

Yah Kaiten only works on weaponskills that why strongest hitting action in this game is Midare Setsugekka.

Ah yes you are right, I suppose it would make sense otherwise if Guren was powered by Kaiten that's like 1200 potency isn't it, definitely not OP at all! If only BLM had something that could as powerful as boosted Setsugekka.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Ah yes you are right, I suppose it would make sense otherwise if Guren was powered by Kaiten that's like 1200 potency isn't it, definitely not OP at all! If only BLM had something that could as powerful as boosted Setsugekka.

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Is chain casting Fire 4s not enough? I'll take Fire 4s over wimpy combos any day.

I'm wondering if that's not Foul (650 potency)

If we look at it with the raw potency itself, it's Midare Setsugekka indeed (720 potency).
However, to calculate the strongest hit, we have to consider passive traits and self buff.

Samurai has a 10% self damage buff to setup on himself and another 10% damage debuff on the target.
Black Mage has a passive trait that increase every action's damage by 30% and Enochian which increase damage by 20%.

It's Kaiden Stesugekka. Foul is about 10% weaker, buuuuuuut it's also AOE, and that's where it will dumpster Setsugekka.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

It's Kaiden Stesugekka. Foul is about 10% weaker, buuuuuuut it's also AOE, and that's where it will dumpster Setsugekka.

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Pretty much this. I think the highest foul in a raid I've ever seen with TA, contagion, ballance, foe, and pot was 50k dh crit. I believe I've seen a 65k sam hit

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

I'm wondering if that's not Foul (650 potency)

If we look at it with the raw potency itself, it's Midare Setsugekka indeed (720 potency).
However, to calculate the strongest hit, we have to consider passive traits and self buff.

Samurai has a 10% self damage buff to setup on himself and another 10% damage debuff on the target.
Black Mage has a passive trait that increase every action's damage by 30% and Enochian which increase damage by 20%.

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Foul: 650 potency. Enochian multiplier 10%, Magick and Mend II 30% boost
650 * 1.1 * 1.3 = 929.5

Midare Setsugekka: 720 potency. Kaiten multiplier 50%, (I'm sure there's another multiplier, but I don't play sam and don't know it)
720 * 1.5 = 1080

Midare Setsugekka just wins that battle on single target.

Can Foul actually be in the running? I mean he said :Single Hit Action". I know he didn't say Single Target, but almost every move is single hit, even AoEs. I guess a better way to ask his question is what is the Highest Potency Action or Hardest Hitting Action.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Can Foul actually be in the running? I mean he said :Single Hit Action". I know he didn't say Single Target, but almost every move is single hit, even AoEs. I guess a better way to ask his question is what is the Highest Potency Action or Hardest Hitting Action.

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True but foul can be used on one target as well so that's why I took that one into consideration as well. Kaiden Setsugekka it is then.

Not 100% sure of the final potency here, but Tornado Kick on monk I would think is pretty high up there since the job is all about stacking buffs.

The base potency is only 330, but when you consider at what point you’d use the skill, you have 30% increase from greased lightning, 10% increase from twin snakes, 5% increase from fists of fire, 30% increase from riddle of fire, and 5% increase from brotherhood makes it closer to 600 final potency.

As for actual numbers, I’ve had it hit for over 40k damage on a single target.

Monk's gimmick has always been low to mid tier damage at a rapid fire pace. And I know it doesn't matter and there might be/is a solution to this issue, but people don't like Tornado Kick on account of it dropping Greased Lightning, so it would lead to reduced damage, *especially* if Riddle of Fire was up at the same time.

I've had a 47k direct crit on Midare. Don't know that anything else hits quite that hard.

Midare is 1080 potency when kaiten is used (always) and has a 10% damage buff from jinpu.

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Originally Posted by Raiden_Ki

True but foul can be used on one target as well so that's why I took that one into consideration as well. Kaiden Setsugekka it is then.

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I get what you are saying, but it's sorta counterintuitive to what I said. Any AoE action can be used on a single target, regarding of potency.

if you only look at the "base damage", foul is stronger with 929.5 potency, since the trait m&m II and enochian are always there when you get / use foul

while sam needs to activly boost his 720 midare with (a 2nd action) kaiten to reach 1080 potency (blm doenst need to boost anything to get "929.5" foul)

but if you want the total self potency you can get, than add the 10% slashing debuff and 5% self buff too (both activly from sam), than it's midare 720 + kaiten 50% + 10% + 5% = ca. 1247.4 potency

stongest base attack (no dots) has blm ca. 929.5

stongest base attack (no dots) + self buffs / self debuffs has sam ca. 1247.4

(as for dots, either sam or smn, not sure / no time to do math atm xD)

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Originally Posted by Ryallen

Monk's gimmick has always been low to mid tier damage at a rapid fire pace. And I know it doesn't matter and there might be/is a solution to this issue, but people don't like Tornado Kick on account of it dropping Greased Lightning, so it would lead to reduced damage, *especially* if Riddle of Fire was up at the same time.

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Depends on how you're using it. Tornado Kick is a DPS increase if you're using it at the end of Riddle of Fire right before executing a Snap Punch to get 1 GL stack then immediately popping Perfect Balance to get back the other two. You're dealing reduced damage for literally 3 moves while gaining a massive OGCD attack. Additionally a lot of parses of top monks show them using Tornado Kick whenever Shoulder Tackle comes off cooldown, quickly swapping to Fists of Wind to get the two GL stacks immediately.

This’s where I show my ignorance (nothin’ unusual here) but I thought it’d be Foul too.

When both my BLM and SAM had the same gear, Foul was always higher damage. I figured it was mostly ta do with the % bonus, but also weapon damage bein’ so much higher, for casters, but I suppose inna end I dunno how much that contributes. The same potency fer melee always seems lower than fer casters ta me, an’ I assumed this was the case because melee get auto attacks.

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Originally Posted by D_C

This’s where I show my ignorance (nothin’ unusual here) but I thought it’d be Foul too.

When both my BLM and SAM had the same gear, Foul was always higher damage. I figured it was mostly ta do with the % bonus, but also weapon damage bein’ so much higher, for casters, but I suppose inna end I dunno how much that contributes. The same potency fer melee always seems lower than fer casters ta me, an’ I assumed this was the case because melee get auto attacks.

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Could be current party buffs. if you're not using the ability under trick attack, or ballance, ect. Idk anything about sam rotation, but foul typically feels easy to squeeze into a TA window later on in the fight if the ninja doesn't drift, due to the 30s timer.

On a dummy though without party buffs, sam should have a higher hit than foul.

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Originally Posted by D_C

This’s where I show my ignorance (nothin’ unusual here) but I thought it’d be Foul too.

When both my BLM and SAM had the same gear, Foul was always higher damage. I figured it was mostly ta do with the % bonus, but also weapon damage bein’ so much higher, for casters, but I suppose inna end I dunno how much that contributes. The same potency fer melee always seems lower than fer casters ta me, an’ I assumed this was the case because melee get auto attacks.

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The numbers above don't factor in that Magic Damage is usually around 30% higher than Physical Damage on weapons. (The stat used in Action calculations).

Setsugekka realistically is about 10% higher. Caster Actions all have higher base damage due to the Magic Damage stat being higher. 400 for a Caster is significantly stronger than 400 for a Physical Combatant. Their damage is made up with Auto Attacks.

As Zerathor mentions, Foul is easily banked for Raid Windows, so while Leylines may not be the ideal timer, you can usually always fit at least one, if not two, Fouls into Raid buff windows.

And at any point where additional enemies enter the encounter, Foul blows everything else out of the water.

sam's Guren with the 10% and 5% self bufs is 924, is nearly as strong as foul with 929.5, but its on a 1min CD.., still if you can midare and guren a single target, sam has insane burst right there (1247 + 924)

blm can sometime time 2x foul close to each other (even if not optimal for the rota), but not like sam can align midare and guren for single target burst purposes

(but with some timing, getting 2x foul close to eacher for aoe reasons, makes blm aoe burst strong... )