Dancer (DPS Concept)

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Quest: [All Eyes on Me?]
Class: [DPS]
Weapon: [Dual Daggers]
Gear Type: [Scouting]
Primary Attribute: [DEX]
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Brief Lore: [Garlemald Origin]

Dancer’s a versatile, and agile… providing a means to exploit enemy weakness with their flattery, and zeal.

In the Gerlamald these Dancers were once trained in a camp where they’d be taught to infiltrate into enemy territory by means of spirit-bonding and causing infatuation; their appeal and desire they protrude allows the enemy to drop their guard and offer an easy opening to steal important documents, gather Intel, and or dispose of valuable targets.

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*Before breaking down on how the Mechanics Work, let's talk about the Dancer's three "Dances"
*If you want to skip all this, just go down to "Abilities Tab" And it shows all of the abilities I believe Dancer should know.
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[Dance]

Dance is a Positional; depending on the direction the Player is positioned from the enemy [Front / Left Flank / Right Flank], determines what effect is granted to the Party: Dancers must continuously dance to keep a cycle going, and they must change its Dance every 14s

Below, under the Abilities Tab you can read on all Three Dances.

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Dancer's Mechanic Gauge

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[The Tempo Gauge and Rhythmic Sync]

The Dancer has a “Tempo” Meter, this meter raises and improves the Dances by 2% per cycle, maxing out at 30% for maximum buffs the effects produce.

Upon maximizing the “Tempo” Meter, the Dancer can use the ability called: Encore.
The Maximum Tempo is 30% for the Gauge.

Rhythmic Sync is a Dancer’s special trait that automatically grants a Haste Potency of 2~12% per 5% Tempo. This reduces GCDs.

• Maximum Haste is 12% when Tempo is at 30%
• Rhythmic Sync has a 14s timer
• Rhythmic Sync is not lost when performing Flourishes
• Rhythmic Sync stays active for as long as the Dancer dances

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[Encore]

Unlocks at 15% Tempo
[Final Dance Effect] Grants Haste, Drain, and Aspir Effects to Party Member(s) within range.
Duration: 21s

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[Dancer's Iconic Abilities]

[Spirit Bond]: Strips all Enmity from party member(s) within range and transfers it to selected party member.

During Spirit Bond the Dancer can remove the effect by selecting the ability again: however, Enmity will revert back to normal levels.

[Status: Spirit Bond]

• Enemies tagged by Spirit Bond will not receive any Enmity Generation from Party Member(s) during the effect of Spirit Bond.
• Duration: 10s

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[Eyes on Me]: Party Member Tagged with Spirit Bond receives a Substantial Increase in Defense. Party Members within range, unaffected by Spirit Bond, receive an attack bonus.

• Target Defense Bonus: 25%
• Attack Bonus: +5%
• Duration: 10s

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[Dancer Abilities]

Level / Type of Ability / Description / Recast / GCD / Other Info

(2) Dance [10s / 2.5s] Does a Random Dance Dependent on the Position the Dancer is facing.

• Duration: 14s
• Additional Effect: Tempo
• Additional Effect: Rhythmic Sync
• Additional Effect: Sublimation

[Sublimation is another Dancer Trait: Allows the accumulation of an HP and MP Bubble, from inflicting damage to foe, that allows the Dancer to use it for Curing and Aspiring Waltz]
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• Frontal Positional - [Drain Samba] 10~20%
• Flank Left - [Aspir Samba] 10-20%
• Flank Right - [Haste Samba] 10~20% Haste

(2) *[Encore] Encore is accessible once the Dancer’s Tempo is at 15%. Grants Drain, Aspir, and Haste Samba at the expense of halting the Tempo gauge at its current state. Upon the completion of the duration, the Tempo is reduced to 0.

• Potencies Vary Depending on Tempo %.
• Duration: 21s

(5) Blade Dance [Instant / 2.5s] Increases Weapon Skill Potency by 20%, while decreasing Tempo bonus by 1% per successful Dance Positional.

• Duration: Until Deactivated.

(8) Composure [Instant / 60s] Greatly Increases Tempo Potency by 2% per successful Dance Positional and increases potency of Sambas by an additional 1%. Maximum Bonus additional percentage is 5.

(10) Curing Waltz [Instant / 2.5s] - Upon HP Meter filling, restores HP to party members within range.

• Cure Potency: 100

(10) Aspiring Waltz [Instant / 2.5s]- Upon MP Meter filling, Restores MP to Party Members within range.

• MP Cure Potency: 100

(15) Violent Flourish [Instant / 120s] - Next Attack is enhanced with the next Tempo's Positional Dance. Attack is enhanced by the percentage of the tempo. The maximum percentage that the Dancer can use from its Tempo is 15%.

• Tempo - 15%

(20) Desperate Flourish [Instant / 30s] - Next Weapon Skill empowers the absorbed HP and MP drained by the Sambas and greatly increases the potency of the cure by 50%.

• Duration 10s
• Tempo - 5%

(24) Building Flourish [Instant / 30s] Delivers an attack with a potency of 250 that if performed after a dance, builds the Tempo meter by an additional 5%.

(30) Climatic Flourish [Instant / 30s] Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. Climatic Flourish can be used as a last string to a Weapon Skill Combo that greatly increases its potency. Tempo Gauge is reduced to 0.

• Potency Bonus: 600
• Tempo - 30%

(36) Reverse Flourish [Instant / 30s] Causes next Weapon Skill to strike enemy twice, at the expense of consuming 50% of TP. If acted upon a Curing Waltz or Aspiring Waltz, it causes the cure to hit twice in a row.

• Tempo - 10%

(40) Spirit Bond [Instant / 60s] Strips all Enmity from party member(s) within range and transfers it to selected party member.

During Spirit Bond the Dancer can remove the effect by selecting the ability again: however, Enmity will revert back to normal levels.

[Status: Spirit Bond]

• Enemies tagged by Spirit Bond will not receive any Enmity Generation from Party Member(s) during the effect of Spirit Bond.
  
• Duration: 10s

(40) Eyes on Me [Instant / 60s] Party Member tagged with Eyes on Me receives a Substantial Increase in Defense. Party Members within range, unaffected by Spirit Bond, receive an attack bonus.
*Spirit Bond and Eyes on Me share the same button!

• Target Defense Bonus: 25%
• Attack Bonus: +5%
• Duration: 10s

(48) Collaborator [120s / 2.5s] Takes a Party Member’s Enmity and transfers it to another party member. The target party member that’s receiving the Enmity, will receive a slight defense bonus, and the member that’s enmity is being transferred, receives a slight attack bonus.

• Duration: 10s
• Defense Bonus: 3%
• Attack Bonus: 3%

(50) Sneak Attack [30s / 2.5s] If Positioned in front of enemy and behind a party member, the next Weapon Skill will be a Direct Hit, Critical. Enmity towards Party Member is doubled.

• Duration: 5s

(55) Trance [Instant / 280s] Temporarily Doubles the Tempo Gauge to 60%. Under the effect of Trance, Encore will quadruple the added bonuses while also increasing the duration.

• Duration: 24s

(60) Gran Pas [Instant / 120s] Allows the use of a Flourish Without using the Tempo Gauge.

(62) Larceny [Instant / 60s] Doubles any beneficial effects given to Party Member(s) within range.

• Duration: 10s

(66) Quick Step [Instant / 180s] Boosts Tempo to 30% and caps Rhythmic Sync.

(70) Feather Step [Instant / 60s] Greatly Enhances Rhythmic Sync to speed up Dance Steps and bolsters Haste Samba.

• Rhythmic Sync +15%
• Haste Samba +5%
• Duration: 14s

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[Weapon Skills]

(1) [Spinning Double Slash]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 150
2.5s / 2.5s

(4) [Somersault Slash]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. Somersault Leap automatically repositions Dancer in the next Positional in the Dance Cycle.

• Combo Bonus: Spinning Double Slash
• Combo Potency: 200

(25) [Pyrrhic Khelos] Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.

• Combo Bonus: Somersault Leap
• Potency: 280
• Rhythmic Sync Bonus: 320

(40) [Rudrah’s Storm] Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.

• Combo Bonus: Somersault Leap
• Combo Potency: 200
• Rhythmic Sync Bonus: 220
• Additional Effect: Defense Down -5%
• Duration: 21s

(56) [Mincing Minuet] Delivers an attack with a potency of 480

• Combo Bonus: Somersault Leap
• Combo Potency: 520
• Rhythmic Sync Potency: 580
• Additional Effect: Bleed
• Bleed Potency: 25
• Duration: 21s

(60) [Dancing Mad] Delivers an attack with a potency of 350

• Combo Bonus: Dance
• Dancing Edge only accessible if Tempo is above 15%
• Combo Potency: 580
• Full Rhythmic Sync Potency 600
• Rhythmic Sync lost upon use

[Conclusion and Other Thoughts]:


Okay, this one took me a bit; I had to sort of bounce off a lot of ideas with my buddy Aerro Hawk. Because by making the Dancer a somewhat "Positional" Job, where Somersault Leap automatically aligns the Dancer to his next Dance Positional, could be fun and stylish.

Since in the lore I presented they were trained to infiltrate enemy territory, I added "Sneak Attack" as a Positional Ability that only worked behind a Party Member (Preferably a tank...); as far as the purposed behind the DNC's Enmity, again tied to the Lore.


The other thought I had was Enmity; yeah, Enmity isn't TOO much of an issue in this game, but it would be fun to have a job that could manipulate it; allowing for brief moments of All Out DPS, no strings attached sort of raid mechanics to defeat certain foes.


I know it's not a "Healer" Concept, but I really believe if we're truly going into Gerlamald Chemist should be the healer and not the Dancer.

Thanks for reading and any feedback would be appreciated!

Pat out!

Four enmity controlling abilities as well as an AoE heal that can have more potency than any of the healers's ON TOP of an ability that essentially makes AST cards obsolete sounds a tad bit ridiculous...
Also I can see Sneak Attack killing lots of Dancers in fights like Nidhogg and Titan, there's a reason why none of the melee DPS classes so far have had positionals in the front.
It'd just push out BRD as it has infinitely more support abilities than it does with little to no drawbacks.
Not to knock the idea, I'm sure a lot of thought and effort was put into it but I still think DNC would be better fit as a combo healer or something, BRD already fills the niche of DPS that's also a support quite well.

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Originally Posted by PatronasCharm

I know it's not a "Healer" Concept, but I really believe if we're truly going into Gerlamald Chemist should be the healer and not the Dancer.

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But that's already in the game, it just has an "Al" before the "Chemist".

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Originally Posted by Ameela

Four enmity controlling abilities as well as an AoE heal that can have more potency than any of the healers's ON TOP of an ability that essentially makes AST cards obsolete sounds a tad bit ridiculous...
Also I can see Sneak Attack killing lots of Dancers in fights like Nidhogg and Titan, there's a reason why none of the melee DPS classes so far have had positionals in the front.
It'd just push out BRD as it has infinitely more support abilities than it does with little to no drawbacks.
Not to knock the idea, I'm sure a lot of thought and effort was put into it but I still think DNC would be better fit as a combo healer or something, BRD already fills the niche of DPS that's also a support quite well.



But that's already in the game, it just has an "Al" before the "Chemist".

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Thank you! I may have gotten a bit overboard lol; appreciate the feedback and thanks for the chuckle.

I'll do adjustments etc. and I really wanted it to sort of stand out as an Enmity controlling sort of job, it would be fun.

As far as for the positional to be in front of the enemy; yeah it may put them in danger: and DNCs may die... but it would be a risk and reward.

As far as Alchemist is concerned, I understand where you're coming from with it, but an actual Job, not a DOH, would love to see a gun-wielding healer Job that uses potions and such to heal members.

Thanks again for your feedback! =D

I was thinking of a DPS that was also an off tank and off support. Dancers would be able to tank single enemies by inflicting a debuff that made their next attack miss. It would be part of their regular rotation, perhaps toggled with a stance skill so they could choose a more dps oriented style of attack if it was more appropriate. They would also have dances that would be aoe buffs/heals, but not as strong as a healer.

Biggest issue is the weapon choice, as Rouge/Ninja already use daggers. It could use a long ribbon or a fan maybe.

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

Biggest issue is the weapon choice, as Rouge/Ninja already use daggers. It could use a long ribbon or a fan maybe.

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Well true, but I was sort of having a vision of kris, like curved daggers they’d hold normally, not backwards like Rogues / Ninjas.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

But that's already in the game, it just has an "Al" before the "Chemist".

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Alchemist =/= Chemist.

Alchemist is the protoscience from which physics, biology and chemistry evolved. Alchemy contains all three of those within it, with a salt of the supernatural and philosophy.

Saying that alchemist and chemist is the same is like saying that pilot and driver are the same because both control some vehicle (and planes even "drive" before takeoff).

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Originally Posted by Freyt

I was thinking of a DPS that was also an off tank and off support. Dancers would be able to tank single enemies by inflicting a debuff that made their next attack miss. It would be part of their regular rotation, perhaps toggled with a stance skill so they could choose a more dps oriented style of attack if it was more appropriate. They would also have dances that would be aoe buffs/heals, but not as strong as a healer.

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People wonder why the devs don’t take this forum seriously. So you want it to be a dps but an off support and off tank, hell why not off healer that shoots lighting out it’s taint. This would be a utter train wreck and if you actually understood the job design of this game you would know that but eh great community brother.

I'd love a return to roots of DPS and support if they are not going the way of healer.

Small buffs and debuffs along with fast and fanciful attacks and animations. They could
always get haste aspir or drain sambas to choose between to support and be a throwback
to the XI healer role. I dont mind healer or dps as long as they make it fun :)

I would be pissed if they were DPS I’ve always liked offensive melee healers and Dancer is like the only job in the series that can do that.

While I also adore Chemist would it truly be so radical that it shakes up the healers I sort of doubt it.

No more DPS in FFXIV for at least until 7.0 please, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Rosentretter

No more DPS in FFXIV for at least until 7.0 please, thanks.

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Disregard this message, thanks.

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Originally Posted by drgonzo

People wonder why the devs don’t take this forum seriously. So you want it to be a dps but an off support and off tank, hell why not off healer that shoots lighting out it’s taint. This would be a utter train wreck and if you actually understood the job design of this game you would know that but eh great community brother.

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Well, you know, you got a Bard that has a defensive cooldown and some defensive abilities and a heal, Machinist that also has Palisade, Red Mage that everyone takes as a revive tool that can also be semi filled with Summoner, of which the summoner can also use Titan-egi to tank to a degree, all the healers are DPS to begin with, and Paladin can heal as well.

What I suggested is merely just a little bit more effective in regards to this. Rather than being specialized, it's an all rounder, which takes all the archetypes of a dancer and wraps it all into one. I guess I'll put a tiny amount of effort into explaining this to you.

In my suggestion I pointed out that the method for Dancer to tank a single enemy is through their basic rotation which would make the enemy miss. Naturally you can easily make bosses or even some basic enemies immune to this, such as with silence or stun. It also doesn't effect aoe's in this slightest. It merely serves as a slightly more effective tank than what you can already do by stunning and silencing until something is dead. Additionally one could foresee that Dancer would have weak defense in general, and as such tanking more than one enemy or failing to use your rotation would make you a very flimsy off-tank. As such, this is more of a niche idea than what you have in mind.

I didn't even mention any specific buffs or heals. It could easily be just a weak party regen, or something else entirely. The idea is that dancers dancing is not exactly an offensive action, but meant to raise the spirits of those who are watching, so what else should a dance do other than that? Towards the previous point, the nimble and flexible dancer technique is what allows a dancer to engage in a 1v1 fight without too much risk, even if they should not be geared as well as the enemy, to which you can further include level disparity to weaken its effect.

Or maybe you have any further concerns other than a healer that's also a dps? Maybe you forgot that White Mage, Astrologian, and Scholar all exist.

I like the name of the quest you gave.
We have a dual dagger Class. Why not one dagger.
Other ideas are ok but I don't think SE needs any more ideas for a job also if they had a close to same idea for new content I don't think we can spell out the job here or they would be like crap we need to give them credit for it. SO JUST Demand DNC DNC DNC

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Well, you know, you got a Bard that has a defensive cooldown and some defensive abilities and a heal, Machinist that also has Palisade(...)

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Both palisade and the heal can only target others and have pretty long cooldowns. They don't make them "off-tanks" by any means. Any healer is closer to being an "off-tank" thanks to their low-cooldown shields than any of the existing DPS.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

(...)Red Mage that everyone takes as a revive tool that can also be semi filled with Summoner, of which the summoner can also use Titan-egi to tank to a degree, all the healers are DPS to begin with, and Paladin can heal as well.

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At higher levels titan is useless. When a tank in my party went away from keyboard at the start of the lvl61 dungeon, the summoner brought titan egi for the very first group of three. Not only did it die quickly...but it couldn't hold aggro for more than few seconds. A good, physical DPS will be a comparable tank to titan, if not better. Paladin cannot spam the heal. Due to its cost it requires them to restore the MP with combat skills. Red Mage CAN spam its heal, which is also pretty decent, but it was put there simply because of the theme. Red mages are red mages because they dabble in both black and white magic. Hence why they were given a decent heal. But only one, and it's not good enough to save from any major mess-up in harder content. On the other hand, Red Mages are very straightforward with only one innate skill that's not a straight-out damage skill or a self-buff related to their damage mechanic (yes, yes, there's still "Tether"...but yeah).

And healers are not "DPS to some degree". You seem to not understand the difference between "being" something and having "some" tools. Healers have maybe five or six damaging skills, out of which maybe three can be regularly used without drying them off their mana or being on cooldown. They merely have DPS because otherwise they could not play solo content.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

I like the name of the quest you gave.
We have a dual dagger Class. Why not one dagger.
Other ideas are ok but I don't think SE needs any more ideas for a job also if they had a close to same idea for new content I don't think we can spell out the job here or they would be like crap we need to give them credit for it. SO JUST Demand DNC DNC DNC

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Well SE owns the franchise! So all I’m doing is giving a suggestion; I wouldn’t even consider being recognized for any thing I recommend.

I just enjoy this game a lot and can’t wait to see what other jobs SE can cook up for us!

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Originally Posted by kikix12

Both palisade and the heal can only target others and have pretty long cooldowns. They don't make them "off-tanks" by any means. Any healer is closer to being an "off-tank" thanks to their low-cooldown shields than any of the existing DPS.

At higher levels titan is useless. When a tank in my party went away from keyboard at the start of the lvl61 dungeon, the summoner brought titan egi for the very first group of three. Not only did it die quickly...but it couldn't hold aggro for more than few seconds. A good, physical DPS will be a comparable tank to titan, if not better. Paladin cannot spam the heal. Due to its cost it requires them to restore the MP with combat skills. Red Mage CAN spam its heal, which is also pretty decent, but it was put there simply because of the theme. Red mages are red mages because they dabble in both black and white magic. Hence why they were given a decent heal. But only one, and it's not good enough to save from any major mess-up in harder content. On the other hand, Red Mages are very straightforward with only one innate skill that's not a straight-out damage skill or a self-buff related to their damage mechanic (yes, yes, there's still "Tether"...but yeah).

And healers are not "DPS to some degree". You seem to not understand the difference between "being" something and having "some" tools. Healers have maybe five or six damaging skills, out of which maybe three can be regularly used without drying them off their mana or being on cooldown. They merely have DPS because otherwise they could not play solo content.

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If you can try to change your viewpoint just slightly, and assume that what you've stated here isn't any disagreement with what I've said, but expansion of the principals of what I've said, then you'd start to get a good idea of what it is I propose. Titan-egi can't tank very well at high levels. That is what I had in mind. Paladin cannot spam heals. That is what I had in mind. Healers are not full on DPS. That is what I had in mind.

You argued about specific terminology or classifications, and about Red Mage in particular for some reason, but you haven't argued against the principal idea that I put forth. I'm sorry to say that you've wasted your time, but you seemed to approach this with the idea that you'd be teaching me why I was wrong, without ever telling me I was wrong about anything.

Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the intention of your reply. Regardless, I think you've misunderstood the idea I've proposed.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the intention of your reply. Regardless, I think you've misunderstood the idea I've proposed.

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An "off-tank" is a character that can successfully tank, just with more difficulty. An "off-healer" is a character that can successfully heal, just with more difficulty. Just how actual tanks have an off-tank stance. They can tank perfectly well in it, but there are times they shouldn't.

What you seem to misunderstand is that by saying "off-tank", "off-support" and similar you suggest a character that could do these roles very well, taking place of the respective "specialists" with only mediocre decrease in ability. Now, if you said "a bit tankier against single foe" or "with some support" no one would have a problem. Dancer is expected to be rather support heavy anyway, no matter the role it will get. But the way you said it implies a character that is simply too good in all these fields. Even if you did not mean that.

In regards to origin...why not have Dancer come from the Majestic Theater Company? If we're determined to give it a Garlean origin anyway.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

In regards to origin...why not have Dancer come from the Majestic Theater Company? If we're determined to give it a Garlean origin anyway.

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Oh that sounds great! Thanks for the feedback; I’ll look into the Majestic Theater and sort of have it to where that’s how they got their title “Dancer” yet still the Garlean Empire utilized them to infiltrate other empires and such to gather information! I’ll be sure to give you credit for that idea

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Originally Posted by kikix12

An "off-tank" is a character that can successfully tank, just with more difficulty. An "off-healer" is a character that can successfully heal, just with more difficulty. Just how actual tanks have an off-tank stance. They can tank perfectly well in it, but there are times they shouldn't.

What you seem to misunderstand is that by saying "off-tank", "off-support" and similar you suggest a character that could do these roles very well, taking place of the respective "specialists" with only mediocre decrease in ability. Now, if you said "a bit tankier against single foe" or "with some support" no one would have a problem. Dancer is expected to be rather support heavy anyway, no matter the role it will get. But the way you said it implies a character that is simply too good in all these fields. Even if you did not mean that.

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I would suggest to you to think twice when pointing out what someone else misunderstands, because you've spent so much time trying to correct something that you didn't need to correct. I don't at all suggest for Dancer to off-tank anywhere near as well as an actual tank, or heal anywhere near as well as an actual healer (if they were to heal at all). From the very beginning I limited the idea to tanking one enemy at a time, and I further expanded that even this should be limited.

I'm sorry, but your observation that I've proposed for a DPS to have a tank stance or similar is unwarranted and not based on facts.

What you've decided that I've implied is not based on facts.

You've simply taken terms that have regularly been used as general blanket terms and arbitrarily decided fit specific things, and then disagreed with me for having used those terms that you decided that I had used incorrectly, when even if you could obtain a general consensus as to such, still does not go to the heart of the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

I was thinking of a DPS that was also an off tank and off support. Dancers would be able to tank single enemies by inflicting a debuff that made their next attack miss. It would be part of their regular rotation, perhaps toggled with a stance skill so they could choose a more dps oriented style of attack if it was more appropriate. They would also have dances that would be aoe buffs/heals, but not as strong as a healer.

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-Sorry for late reply(ies) I've been away at work most of the day.

Well, technically , maybe you could tank for 10ish seconds before you die?

So they could use Collaborator >> Spirit Bond >> Eyes on Me and give themselves a 10s tank phase. They might not survive 2 hits from lets say Kefka, or some serious NM, but they could potentially survive a weaker boss for a few seconds.

I updated and added "Reverse Flourish," and what that does is: it either causes their next Curing Waltz / Aspiring Waltz to Cure Two times, or of course, make their next Weapon Skill hit twice.

So they could potentially save a party wipe, or even give MP to Mages when they're in desperate need of it.

I wanted to make Dancer (DPS) into a more fleshed out Support/DSP that took inspiration from MNK / NIN / and the Final Fantasy franchise, and of course, FFXIV style.

Speaking of Updating, I did tweak skills etc. but again, hopefully feedback can flesh this out more; even though people either want DNC to be a healer or tank?

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Originally Posted by PatronasCharm

even though people either want DNC to be a healer or tank?

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I think part of it is because of the way that in Stormblood we got two VERY iconic jobs as DPS. For me, the reason for wanting it to be a healer: it'll be a Disciple of War healer, something that doesn't yet exist in this game. It's also why I believe BLU (or some some of tanky magic job) should be made a tank... a Disciple of Magic tank. This opens up 2 new avenues in which we can venture into. Making a DoW healer would mean taking a different approach to the design (even if only slightly differently), as the principles that distinguish DoW vs DoM mean they have to have different designs, as DoW focuses more on TP than MP usage for example, and is more based on physical rather than magical abilities.

As for your ideas, I must admit, much as I would prefer DNC to be a healer, you've put a lot of thought into it, and it does look pretty well fleshed out.

I'll be happy of a new Dancer job, but not about another DPS.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I think part of it is because of the way that in Stormblood we got two VERY iconic jobs as DPS. For me, the reason for wanting it to be a healer: it'll be a Disciple of War healer, something that doesn't yet exist in this game. It's also why I believe BLU (or some some of tanky magic job) should be made a tank... a Disciple of Magic tank. This opens up 2 new avenues in which we can venture into. Making a DoW healer would mean taking a different approach to the design (even if only slightly differently), as the principles that distinguish DoW vs DoM mean they have to have different designs, as DoW focuses more on TP than MP usage for example, and is more based on physical rather than magical abilities.

As for your ideas, I must admit, much as I would prefer DNC to be a healer, you've put a lot of thought into it, and it does look pretty well fleshed out.

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Yes, I agree, but I'll say this, Red Mage coming in as a DPS did bring me back from my overly long hiatus. We do need some changes when it comes to the design work of the coming jobs, may it be a melee healer, or heck a Chemist, ranged shooter healer: (Which I've suggested in a previous post http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Healer-Concept), or a Magic Tank [Which I want, I am so ready for a tank that's somewhat of a caster] preferably Blue Mage.

The idea I proposed for the team was an easy way of adding Dancer (yeah I'm no coder, game designer, etc. so not sure HOW easy it would be) but making it share gear with Ninja, renaming the Ninja weapon to Shinobi, putting the word Dagger for Dancer, and perhaps giving us 3 jobs for the new expansion.

Chemist Healer (Ranged Shooter), Blue Mage Tank, Dancer (Dual Daggers) DPS =D

But again, I can only wish! I am just so eager to see what we'll be teased this year as to what Job we will be getting. Maybe I shouldn't get my hopes too high!

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Originally Posted by PatronasCharm

Chemist Healer (Ranged Shooter), Blue Mage Tank, Dancer (Dual Daggers) DPS =D

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The problem with this is demand for Chemist doesn't seem to be that high. Blue Mage and Dancer demand though is through the roof. So you fix the tanks and DPS with new highly requested stuff, but healer kinda gets left out. Sure it gets a new job, but at the same time there's not a massive demand for it, so people are more likely to swing to it. Plus, Chemist being ranged wouldn't break the formula as much as Dancer being healer allowing for a melee focused healer. Every one (including your Chemist suggestion) puts you at range, safely away from the group. Dancer healer would break away from that, having you swing and swoon through the battlefield. And as they've shown with Dark Knight going from DPS in previous games to tank in this one, they aren't afraid to change things up in this game. So yeah, as much as I appreciate your suggestion and it's very well thought out, I am going to have to disagree with it.

This game really does not need another DPS any time soon. If they add dancer, and it's not a healer, I will be supremely disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

The problem with this is demand for Chemist doesn't seem to be that high. Blue Mage and Dancer demand though is through the roof. So you fix the tanks and DPS with new highly requested stuff, but healer kinda gets left out. Sure it gets a new job, but at the same time there's not a massive demand for it, so people are more likely to swing to it. Plus, Chemist being ranged wouldn't break the formula as much as Dancer being healer allowing for a melee focused healer. Every one (including your Chemist suggestion) puts you at range, safely away from the group. Dancer healer would break away from that, having you swing and swoon through the battlefield. And as they've shown with Dark Knight going from DPS in previous games to tank in this one, they aren't afraid to change things up in this game. So yeah, as much as I appreciate your suggestion and it's very well thought out, I am going to have to disagree with it.

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Ahaha I see where your coming from. The demand for Dancer / Blue Mage is through the roof man; I for one would be so happy with both jobs added

I lived and absolutely loved my time with DNC in FFXI; curing waltz, Divine Waltz; all its support abilities etc. saving party from a link that the healer would run out of MP, or hell, I remember parties as a DNC where two of us would safely heal the EXP party.

So a DNC healer wouldn’t be too far fetched.

It would definitely have me play healer class that’s for sure.

Thanks for all your feedback man, appreciated the discussion =)

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Originally Posted by PatronasCharm

Thanks for all your feedback man, appreciated the discussion =)

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That's absolutely not a problem. It's refreshing when people take in on board as such (something I need to learn to get better at as I occasionally get fixated and stubborn, and then when proven to be wrong "throw the baby out of the bath tub"). Yeah, as a healer main myself, I do think a DNC healer could prove an interesting take on healing.

As far as healing in this game goes though, it's fun! Especially at raid level! I'm sure if DNC was released as a healer you'd have a blast healing in this game.