Furnishings

Furniture is expensive in real life. I get that. But this is a video game. Why does it cost millions of credits to outfit a home? All of this is cosmetic. None of it adds to gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Furniture is expensive in real life. I get that. But this is a video game. Why does it cost millions of credits to outfit a home? All of this is cosmetic. None of it adds to gameplay.

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There is nothing else to spend gil on lol.

You could always craft the stuff yourself. I spent very little decorating my house.

OP... The only practical thing that's worth the money on the market are crafted max level gear. Anything lower is cheap as hell.

On matters of "vanity items", however, EVERYTHING is expensive. My hat was 350,000 Gil and that's actually CHEAP.

Because this game has little to nothing in the way of /actual/ gil sinks. I know at least three people who are at gil cap and practically giving gil away, one of them actually doing just that in the form of a weekly giveaway over on tumblr. As for the furniture itself, the prices vary from server to server but it's all set by the laws of supply and demand. Can it be easily obtained with little demand? The price is going to be cheap. Does it require you to run a dungeon ten times hoping that RNGesus will finally be kind with a high demand? It's going to cost more.

A select few of the housing items are crazy expensive....but thats cause things like the blossom trees/heart fire brazier thing arent around anymore save for mogstation i think? Or use the rare EX item from the most current trial

all of the basic furnishings are sold from vendors quite cheaply and the vast majority of furnishings are easy crafts that only cost anything because no one can be bothered to do it themself
the only stuff that is really expensive is past event items that can't be obtained anymore or opportunity cost stuff like shinryu's wing is expensive because the scales also make minion and barding as well

If you feel like housing isn't adding anything to game play, why are you worried about the cost of furnishings? You shouldn't even be spending gil on housing.

Or is it adding something to your game play after all?

If you stick to the housing vendor, you can furnish a small for less than half a million gil. Don't forget to scan the MB for some of those items first - a lot of time they're listed for less than vendor because player ended up with more than they want or changed their minds.

But if you want the more desirable furnishing, you're going to pay because another player is the source, they want to be compensated for their materials and effort, and people are willing to pay.

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Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian

OP... The only practical thing that's worth the money on the market are crafted max level gear. Anything lower is cheap as hell.

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Black Pegasus says hi, young Padawan.

Appearances are the only persistent content in the game where what you earn today will continue to be useful for any number of years.

I'd advice you to check out both the vendor in the housing area aswell as the butler/maid/Hokonin that you can place in your own home. Both NPCs sell some standard/basic furniture (like beds, chairs, tables, rugs...) that will allow you to at least furnish your home somehow.
You should also note that some furniture are low level crafting recipes, so you'll be most likely able to craft them yourself instead of paying the high marketboardprices.

And then there is special furniture thats either a highlevel craft or needs special, expensive materials like primal drops, cross breeding crops, items from airships/submarines, rare drops from treasure maps/Aquapolis/Canals or stuff from (timed) nodes thats only needed for the furniture and not in high demand because of that - or that simply isnt available ingame anymore because it was related to past events. (I also need to admit though that a lot of the stuff on the marketboard is overprized - lowlevel items that probably cost like 5k to make are selling for 100k. You're paying for the convenice to not leave your housing area and collect all the annoying mats here.)

Bottomline though: you can totally decorate a nice and "functional" looking home on a budget.

But you'll notice soon enough that cosmetics are the real expensive stuff in this game - for the simple reason that anything thats actually relevant to the gameplay cant be or it would potentially hinder the progression of the more "casual" crowd (aka those people who can only play a few hours a week)

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Originally Posted by Nabril

All of this is cosmetic. None of it adds to gameplay.

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Glamour and housing is the true endgame.
Only a bit more seriously (I was dead serious to begin with), a lot of housing items are a horrible pain in the neck to make. From items from Canals and Heaven on High now, through things you can spend literal weeks trying to get from retainer ventures or airship and submarine ventures...
They're expensive because they take effort to make or get, and there's demand. It's v. simple logic.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Furniture is expensive in real life. I get that. But this is a video game. Why does it cost millions of credits to outfit a home? All of this is cosmetic. None of it adds to gameplay.

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It doesn't cost millions. Or rather, it doesn't have to cost millions.
A lot of housing items can be bought cheaply from NPC vendors. Most of the rest can be crafted fairly easily.
It is only some items that are hard to make for one reason or another that will be expensive to acquire.

Which furniture items do you feel are... lets say incorrectly expensive? I mean, im not done outfitting my mansion yet, but i doubt ive spent more then two million on furniture yet. And a mansion has a lot of slots to try to fill.

So what I'm seeing is that because long time players have no way to spend their money, new players like myself can only see furniture as end game stuff. It's fine. I can learn from this. It'll be much faster for me to max out carpentry than it will be for me to get all these untold riches that long time players have. So I'm leveling up my crafting skills.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

Which furniture items do you feel are... lets say incorrectly expensive? I mean, im not done outfitting my mansion yet, but i doubt ive spent more then two million on furniture yet. And a mansion has a lot of slots to try to fill.

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Pretty much everything that I'm seeing for over 300,000. I am a brand new level 70. I don't have millions of gil. I currently have 67,497 gil. I also don't see a way to just walk out and find 1 million gil. So it's time for me to just stop questing and build up some crafting skills so that I can try to get people to buy stuff from me for a super high price.

If u don't want to craft look for items Crafters need that can be obtained from mobs or learn the market and get ahead of the curve on something. As a fairly new lvl 70 when eureka anemos released I made somewhere around 60-70mil off materia and I'm constantly killing select mobs to sell certain items that can net 100-300k per 99 stack.

On housing items I think they are fairly priced, anything that looks like a pain to craft myself I'll go out and buy.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

So what I'm seeing is that because long time players have no way to spend their money, new players like myself can only see furniture as end game stuff. It's fine. I can learn from this. It'll be much faster for me to max out carpentry than it will be for me to get all these untold riches that long time players have. So I'm leveling up my crafting skills.

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It has nothing to do with old players but with housing being considered end game by the game itself. Its supposed to be a goal to strife and work over a longer period of time, not something thats just given to you once you hit max-level.

Gil is indeed very easy to come by, once you pick up crafting and gathering. Or you craft the furniture yourself, that might end up being cheaper.

Dont get to bitter and frustrated about not everything being handed to you like candy... you kinda sound like that.

Look at decorating as a longterm project, rather than something thats just finished in an afternoon.

A lot of furniture is annoying to make, because it requires mats that are only used for said furniture, so most people wont have them on them at all times. Or its lowlevel mats that no one uses anymore. Gathering and making it yourself might help you to understand why people are asking for "so much money".
Thanks to inflation gil is also worth less and less - once you get into the crafting game, you'll notice.
Word of advice for that though: Pick up gathering aswell, be self-suffient, dont waste money on mats you can get yourself!

I made probably 100 million gil total off maps and dungeon roulettes, you don't have to be a crafter to make a lot of gil. It's handed out like candy as it is.

I know people who have played a long time but have no money. I am very frugal with my gil, even though I have little to spend it on.

Because there is nothing to spend gil on, so for the stuff actually that has any kind of demand is inflated higher then it would be, then if the game had true opportunity costs. So for example, if we had a situation where person A needs to spend 100000 gil to enhance progressing where person b would want to spend 100000 gil for housing because they may not care about progress, or done it already, you have more of a balance. But the situation in FFXIV is, everyone has gil, nothing to do with it, so if you have 1 item available, and 5 people want it, where one person can buy it for 500000, and the other 4 can only pay 100000 it is worth 500000 and that one person gets it, thus the law of supply and demand (actually this is more of a simplified version of it, as there are concepts such as quantity demanded at work here)

Or the basic way of saying this, SE did not put much thought in FFXIV's economy as a whole to make a healthy market.

Gil is easy to come by if you put effort into doing so, how long you played makes no difference for this. The reason has to do with what was stated above, find something no one is selling because of lazy or whatever and you will make gil. Reselling stuff you can buy at npc is also an option.

You can also find the recipes online, and take a look at buying or gathering the materials. While in some cases the materials can be prohibitively difficult to get (re: marine ester wax, etc.), you can frequently get the materials at a fraction and then advertise in a main city to find a crafter if you don't know someone already who can make them.

Furnishing your home doesn’t have to be expensive. I have an FC that spoils me and helped me make the furniture for my medium in Shiro, along with my castle walls for the exterior. They provided some mats (tho they provided the majority of the mats for the exterior), but I also busted myself trying to get a good portion of mats to help, since gathering is one of my favorite activities. Oh I need primal mats? I go out and farm what I need and bring it back to have it crafted.

It takes more time than just buying it, sure, but I feel it’s more rewarding. Plus, it’s far easier on my wallet.

Most of the stuff that is priced for 300k or more generally requires a pain to get mat. Whether that is a script mat, dungeon mat, or a timed node mat they are things people have to go out of their way to get which does inflate the cost more. In addition a good portion of those are also Master craft furnishings, meaning someone has had to get to level 70 and churn out a lot of yellow scripts to get their master craft books. If you wish to craft your own a few pieces of advice, one Carpenter is hardly the only crafter that makers furniture. While it makes the most out of all the crafting classes, other classes have some pretty on demand ones as well. In addition if you want to unlock all of the furnishing recipes you are going to want to level all the crafting classes to at least lvl 50 to get their cross classes so you are able to deal with collectibles to get yellow scripts.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

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Pretty much everything that I'm seeing for over 300,000. I am a brand new level 70. I don't have millions of gil. I currently have 67,497 gil. I also don't see a way to just walk out and find 1 million gil. So it's time for me to just stop questing and build up some crafting skills so that I can try to get people to buy stuff from me for a super high price.

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You could (should!) easily have a few millions of gil at that point. I know I had obtained a couple of millions of gil by level 70 - mostly just from quest and challenge rewards, and selling some minor stuff I had got as drops.
It is all a matter of not spending gil needlessly - and there is very little you actually need to spend gil on while leveling.

But I say again - lots of furniture can be obtained cheaply from NPC vendors. Lots can be crafted easily - and making your own housing items is a good reason to level crafters.

I also recommend levelling up your free retainers if you haven't. Quick ventures have a chance to not only bring back rare furnishings, but also rare mats and rare items that can be sold for gil.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

You could (should!) easily have a few millions of gil at that point. I know I had obtained a couple of millions of gil by level 70 - mostly just from quest and challenge rewards, and selling some minor stuff I had got as drops.
It is all a matter of not spending gil needlessly - and there is very little you actually need to spend gil on while leveling.

But I say again - lots of furniture can be obtained cheaply from NPC vendors. Lots can be crafted easily - and making your own housing items is a good reason to level crafters.

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I bought a lot from the npc merchant, but he's got a very basic collection... It did get some stuff in my room though.

I haven't spent that much gil. If I hadn't spent a dime, I would have had at most 1 million gil at this point. I haven't done much but get to lvl 70 and complete 7.0 MSQ. I haven't done many dungeons above what was required to reach that goal. Now that I'm there, I'm exploring other parts of the game- specifically crafting. I've bought a room, obviously, some gear at key spots in my leveling career, and a few other things. 1 mil goes pretty quickly and that's all I've gotten from MSQs and required duties.

But... I'll craft and sell. I'll gather also. Furnishings are out of reach for now. I've accepted that. I'll revisit that when I make my millions.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

So what I'm seeing is that because long time players have no way to spend their money, new players like myself can only see furniture as end game stuff. It's fine. I can learn from this. It'll be much faster for me to max out carpentry than it will be for me to get all these untold riches that long time players have. So I'm leveling up my crafting skills.



Pretty much everything that I'm seeing for over 300,000. I am a brand new level 70. I don't have millions of gil. I currently have 67,497 gil. I also don't see a way to just walk out and find 1 million gil. So it's time for me to just stop questing and build up some crafting skills so that I can try to get people to buy stuff from me for a super high price.

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Just invest in some map groups, can literally make millions of gil a day doing that

If it's not from Event my furnishings. Its all been crafted by me. Most time crafting items yourself is way cheaper than buying then from MB if they not item sold by a npc. Think that's only reason leveled all my gathering and crafting to max. Good way to make gil just do stormblood hunts and level gathering. Some mats sell really fast.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Black Pegasus says hi, young Padawan.

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25mil on Cactuar right now.

So crafting has value. So there are drops you can get excited about, even if you don't want the item for your own use. Gil making is a playstyle all its own and purely cosmetic pieces are a great place to have expensive vanity pieces precisely because they don't prevent you from playing the game. FFXIV is pretty light on gil sinks to begin with.

If you don't want to pay a high price for a piece and don't wish to craft it yourself, you can probably just wait until it's no longer the new hotness. Just make sure that you don't wait too long if its source is fad content that will see a sharp decrease in participation rates after an expansion ends.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Black Pegasus says hi, young Padawan.

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The Night Pegasus Whistle is also quite possibly the most expensive item in the game other than a medium or large housing plot. It's incredibly cheap for a top end item compared to other games and very obtainable if people simply put the effort in.

Dodo mount think selling for way more than it is Night Pegasus. Last dodo mount saw on market board was 20mil and night Pegasus 12 mil.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Pretty much everything that I'm seeing for over 300,000. I am a brand new level 70. I don't have millions of gil. I currently have 67,497 gil. I also don't see a way to just walk out and find 1 million gil. So it's time for me to just stop questing and build up some crafting skills so that I can try to get people to buy stuff from me for a super high price.

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The reason i asked which items you felt were too expensive was so that i could look at those items and either tell you why theyre priced that way or that you are indeed correct and someone is trying to rip you off. There are quite a few different ways to get furnishings, and not everyone knows every source(which can lead to some price gouging). There are people who make their money taking common vendor items and relisting them on the market for a big profit, and im happy to tear their business model apart by telling you who sells something for cheap(if the success of your business model depends on your customers being ignorant then you deserve to fail even though you often wont). Other people take common easy crafts and list them for a lot, and im happy to tell you a recipe so you can gather the materials and get someone to put it together for you cheaply(crafting for yourself is another fine option - its what i do). But some items are super annoying, rare, hard to get, or all 3 - and the furniture they make is almost always high priced as well. Explaining that a specific furnishing selling for 10 million uses more then 8 million in materials takes some of the sting out of that pricing(and might give you an idea of another way to make money).

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Dodo mount think selling for way more than it is Night Pegasus. Last dodo mount saw on market board was 20mil and night Pegasus 12 mil.

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Ah, well if there's a new high floor mount, it would make sense. In any case, the upper end of items is very obtainable in this game compared to others.