Possible future encounters/primals

Hi folks!

Since I am a big fan of asian culture and mythology overall, it was really cool to see Susanoo, Byakko, Tsukoyomi and Qitian Dasheng (Sun Wukong) as encounters.
They are very iconic figures in japanese/chinese folklore, and I would like to talk about, which encounter or primal could possible come in the future.

-Suzaku, the red bird
-Seiryuu, the blue dragon
-Kouryu, the yellow dragon

We already beat Genbu, the black tortoise and Byakko, the white tiger. So it is very likely that Suzaku and Seiryuu will be within the next parts of the "Four Deities" questline, while there is a high change that the dragon sealed in the forbidden Urne is Kouruu and will be an encounter in the future.

-Amaterasu, the goddess of sun

Since we fight Tsukoyomi the moon goddess in 4.3 (which was an awesome fight imo), it would be cool to see her counterpart.

-Yamato no Orochi, the eight-headed snake

Also one of the most iconic Figures in japanese mythology. Yamato no Orochi is the giant eight-headed snake, Susanoo slayed after he made her drunk with sake.

-Izanagi & Izanami

The siblings Izanagi & Izanami were the first gods that came down from the heavens to create Earth and are the origin to many gods like Susanoo, Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu.

So, what do you think? Which encounter/primal would you like to see, or do you think will come in the future?

The only primal I really wanted to see was the Ark, and it was already included in the game as the Cruise Chaser. I really like mecha, so the Ark was my favorite summon thanks to that and it's awesomeness as a summon. It being reduced to the penultimate boss of Alexander's raid series was a bit disappointing, but at least it was put into the game.

As for what could be put in later on...? Who knows.

Suzaku and Seiryu are fair bets, as we need to round out the Four Lords, and Kohryu is a reasonable bet due to being tied so strongly to the story and the other four. Beyond that one can only guess.

Me? Well, I'd like the original Four Fiends... and perhaps Chaos, with a phase transition into his Dissidia Feral Chaos state. Beyond that I'm content to just roll with the punches, and as they've included past bosses / villains as well as original creations, it's anyone's game.

FFI Fiends are highly unlikely, given two are already in the game (Tiamat is a benign dragon npc in confinement in Azys Lla and definitely bears the player no ill will, and Kraken, is the end boss of no less than two dungeons: Hullbreaker Isle NM and Sastasha Seagrot HM), so that just leaves Lich and Kary/Marlaris/Marliath, which, I presume will show up in some form probably eventually, but not as a full set.

Really instead, I see the FFIV Fiends appearing instead. The Magus Sisters would also be great to fight as well. :D

But the previous FF summon I would love to appear in FFXIV eventually would be FFVIII's Doomtrain (no, FFVI's Phantom Train in Omega: Sigmascape does not count, as it's something completely different! ;)). And SE themselves have long hinted at it in multiple locations, so, fingers crossed! :D

Part of me wants to see reimagined primals, but I can understand if people don't want to retread old ground. Like Kobolds have Titan, but another breast tribe has their own version of Titan who's much more stronger than the original. It wouldn't be a reskinned Titan, but a different model, new mechanics, but same name. I'd say go this route if we run out of mythological creatures to beat up.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

FFI Fiends are highly unlikely, given two are already in the game (Tiamat is a benign dragon npc in confinement in Azys Lla and definitely bears the player no ill will, and Kraken, is the end boss of no less than two dungeons: Hullbreaker Isle NM and Sastasha Seagrot HM), so that just leaves Lich and Kary/Marlaris/Marliath, which, I presume will show up in some form probably eventually, but not as a full set.

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I'm aware that Tiamat and Kraken (well, a kraken) are already in the game as unrelated NPCs, but the fact that Halicarnassus exists as both a dungeon boss and raid boss with no connection beyond the former being the naming inspiration for the latter opens the possibility of alternate versions of Tiamat and Kraken being connected to the Four Fiends, assuming they all show up as a group at some point. XIV is very often touted as a nostalgia trip - how do you get more retro than the Four Fiends?

Unless, of course, it's not really about nostalgia...

Ehem. I'm not opposed to the Four Archfiends of IV but I'd still appreciate the original Four Fiends from I.

FFVIII has a whole slew of summons that would be interesting to see. Off the top of my head, there's Quezacotl, The Brothers, Pandemona, Doomtrain, Eden, and technically, Griever.

Doomtrain and Eden would probably be the most interesting as there isn't that many inherently mechanical summons and both of those summons feel like something Garlemald could come up with...

Ironic that we're trying to come up with future Primals when we're likely visiting the nation that hates Primals so much to have Publicly declared an essential War on Primals (which they accomplish through Genocide and Conquering)

on a sidenote, I'm thinking whatever Primals we get, one will be an ancient Allegan Primal, a secretly made Garlean Primal, and an Ascian "Primal"

I would really like to see FFXs Anima - simply because I could image her being a pretty cool fight, with possibly having the party split up to fight the upper and the lower body at the same time during certain parts of the fight.

And even if we're having creatures called "Valefor" already, we got hints that she could be come sort of summon during that quest with the Doman refugee kids. FFX is my favorite, so I'd really like for her to appear as a real, proper summon - and not only as some weird, demon-like creature in LotA...

After Alexander, Eden has long been my favorite summon (even if the game it appeared in doesn't rank highly among my favorites). I'm not sure how it'd work in FFXIV, but I'd love to see an attempt!

Juggernaut, from Final Fantasy 12: The Zodiac Age

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Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

FFVIII has a whole slew of summons that would be interesting to see. Off the top of my head, there's Quezacotl, The Brothers, Pandemona, Doomtrain, Eden, and technically, Griever.

Doomtrain and Eden would probably be the most interesting as there isn't that many inherently mechanical summons and both of those summons feel like something Garlemald could come up with...

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Ah yeah, Griever, he could be a cool fight. Not exactly the most orthodox of summons, really powerful... it'd be interesting if he came into play somehow, especially if it was in Garlemald.

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Originally Posted by Rayo

Ironic that we're trying to come up with future Primals when we're likely visiting the nation that hates Primals so much to have Publicly declared an essential War on Primals (which they accomplish through Genocide and Conquering)

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It's closer to a "war on religion," but that's off-topic...

Bandersnatch, FF9.
https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/faqs/91/71891-148.png
as a Fate in snowy areas.

The thing with Primals is that they aren't summoned by religions so much as they are summoned by strong faith in an idea. Most religions revolve around those. So do ultra-patriotic nations, such faith is the kind that summoned Shinryu.

Garlemald has as much faith in its ideals as the beast tribes have in their gods. It's just that Garlemald has very little access to aether unlike Eorzea has. I could see that changing...

I don't do raid content so I don't know if he's already in the game, but Chaos from FFI would be an interesting editon.

Shinryu is unique among primals in that he was powered by vengeance, not faith. It's how he was able to exist independent of worshipers... somehow. I guess all Ala Mhigans' desire for vengeance worked, even if they didn't approve (or weren't aware) of Shinryu's existence? /shrug

Anyway... yes, Garlemald has a lot of faith in its ideals, which I find hilarious given its disdain for faith in favor of science. The issue they had wasn't lack of access to aether, but a genetic defect that rendered them incapable of manipulating it. As such they never developed magic, which is said to be a product of religion, and with no deities to worship or the ability to manipulate aether the Garleans would naturally be unable to summon primals. (Presumably everyone else in Ilsabard still can, though...)

With the development of Resonance, it's... possible that could change. Theoretically.

I'm clinging to some hope that we might see a primal version of Azim and/or Nhaama some time in the future.

The whole war-filled culture of the steppe seems like it would lend itself to primal summonings, what with the more dominant tribes often bullying the smaller ones if not trying to exterminate them outright.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

It's closer to a "war on religion," but that's off-topic...

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Eh...I'd say its a "war on Gods" for simplicity's sake

It still semi irks me that the made Tsukuyomi female, T.T I just hope if/when they add Amatarasu, that she remains a she.

I for one wanna see more female Primals, and not humanoid ones we have; Garuda and Lakshmi are beastly but still resemble human woman. I want Primals like Anima, Eden, Valefor, and the one I wanna see most, Madeen, XD. Madeen would be perfect, she's a lion-like beast and the Moombas are a race of lion people. It a match made in heaven.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Shinryu is unique among primals in that he was powered by vengeance, not faith. It's how he was able to exist independent of worshipers... somehow. I guess all Ala Mhigans' desire for vengeance worked, even if they didn't approve (or weren't aware) of Shinryu's existence? /shrug

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Well, you could also factor in the fact that Shinryu's summoning also used Nidhogg's eyes as a font. It's possible they were a key component for how Shinryu maintained his existence. We also know sacrifices have been used to summon other primals, though no others I can think of involved there being no followers left to temper afterwards so that may be irrelevant here. Still, food for thought I suppose.

In any case, I wouldn't mind more original encounters, but also I'd like to see some familiar ones as well that have yet to appear. I'm still on board for the Magus Sisters showing up somewhere for a trial, for one. Quetzalcoatl would actually be cool to see too, I think.

It'd be nice to see the following someday:

Scarmiglione
Cagnazzio
Barbaricia
Rubicante
Zemus
Valigarmander/Tritoch
Maduin/Madeen
Doomtrain
Braska's Final Aeon
Shadow Lord
Barthandelus
Xenogears
Lavos
The Mana Beast
Amaterasu

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Maduin/Madeen

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Just gonna separate these here, XD:

Maduin - (male demonic summon)
Madeen - (female lion summon)

The confusion is understandable as in Japanese the kana look almost identical, and the pronunciation is very similar as well; not to mention they seem to share similar name inspiration based on the wiki. But, Maduin in kana is マディン (Madin), whereas Madeen in kana is マディーン (Madiin). It's similar to the whole Titan issue way back when. They were never the same summon, but the confusion is understandable.

But both would be cool.

Does anyone think that Seiryu and Kouryu could be lumped into the same fight, since there's only 1 major patch after 4.4 (unless they do Kouryu in 4.55)? Seems a bit pointless to have 2 dragon trials 1 after the other. Possibly Kouryu could weaken enough of the wards to possess Seiryu.

I could see it just being a solo duty follow-up to the Seiryu trial where you help the four auspices to contain it.

Or the opposite - seiryu as a solo duty and kouryu as the big bad trial you need a team for.

Also, considering we fought Genbu as a dungeon end boss, it wouldn't be unthinkable that Seiryu could also be the end boss for whatever ends up being the 4.5 dungeon, and that Koryu will have the trial.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130711162136

I'd like to see the same demon wall fight from ff12 in ff14. 2 demon walls coming closer and closer and if they get too close to you, you're just smush.

But wait, its not a primal. Maybe i'm just dreaming, lmao.

Maybe Fabunil?
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Or Cherub Ultima (plis SE pliiis)
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130628232510

Brothers would have been an awesome Primal battle, given their antics in FF8. Too bad they were relegated to an NM inside of Pagos.