Regarding Crafting Changes in 2.0

Greetings! We wanted to pass along some information regarding the time gauge that appears when selecting crafting commands.

We are planning to remove the crafting time gauge around 2.0 timing. Currently the idea is that the time gauge maintains progression through crafting as you select crafting commands, but since the time gauge will be eliminated, it’ll be possible to halt crafting between commands.

Also, in regards to feeling like there’s not much meaning behind commands and the time gauge, in 2.0 we will be changing the current four command system into a two command system and each will have more weight behind them.

We will announce more specifics on the crafting system in 2.0 in the future.

Ooh I see where this is going...

Ummm... why 2? I'm guessing it's "Take action" and "Wait" in this case? So how are people going to do HQ synths then? I can understand taking out Rapid, it's crap, nobody uses it, and the few times that someone DOES uses it it fails or does less than standard unless you're severely overleveled, in which case you might as well hasty hand it. Careful is still used because its success rate is reasonable with its rewards, so unless you're planning on greatly increasing the quality increases in Standard when used in conjunction with abilities, I really don't see how this would work.

Awesome, now I'll be able to spam one button and when people say I'm cheating, I'll just say, well it's the only option! :P

Intriguing. I wonder what the two actions will be? Do away with something like Standard Synthesis entirely and only allow a focus on progression or quality perhaps? I could see taking out Wait, since it's extremely boring and provides little depth for the frustration and delay it causes.

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Originally Posted by jwang

Ummm... why 2? I'm guessing it's "Take action" and "Wait" in this case? [...]

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Ummm... why not "normal" and "careful"?

Standart and Careful i would say. Since Rapid and Wait are pretty useless.

I just want to Perfection => Rapid Synthesis til 2.0.

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Originally Posted by REDace0

Intriguing. I wonder what the two actions will be? Do away with something like Standard Synthesis entirely and only allow a focus on progression or quality perhaps? I could see taking out Wait, since it's extremely boring and provides little depth for the frustration and delay it causes.

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You are wrong my good sir while making high level gear on my ARM there is time that i have to press "Wait" if i don't they be no way for me to make the item. "wait" is use to fix ice crystal when this happen you pretty much are ****** and hope you never get it so wait is really the only thing you can do to save it. Maybe from 1-50 just level up "Wait" is pointless and not needed but to make gear "Wait" is very useful and i have the best gear for my craft and still can blow it up if all i do is press one thing.

wait is boring but very useful :) maybe they can do something else with it.

Oh I understand. Wait certainly isn't useless. My main point regarding Wait is just that making players use it an unpredictable amount of times just to get the right color or stabilize an element is a poor use of the player's time in an already-time-consuming process. It's useful in the current system, but not worth it from a design perspective imo.

As a Weaver I have dealt with the dreaded Unstable Lightning Element, which I'm sure you know has a similar effect, many many times. My friends and I used to refer to it with the vulgar acronym F.L.E.

I imagine the instabillity and orb effects may dissapear if we are loosing our "Wait" option. Give people a complex system and they complain, make it easier and they complain.

You can't please people. I can't wait to see the flood of people saying they are "Dumbing" down the crafting system when people complained it was too complex to do anything other than spam regular.

@ Jynx LOLOL yep /hands over popcorn

simple or complex doesnt matter as long it is fun.....

now looking for definition of fun that can pleased most people.....

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Originally Posted by Aion

simple or complex doesnt matter as long it is fun.....

now looking for definition of fun that can pleased most people.....

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Complex, but not obtuse. I think that's what most people are looking for.

Not much meaning behind 90% of the craft skills either. Hope those are getting a revamp along with this.

I think Timing of actions may be important to results of synthing

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Originally Posted by Madruk

Not much meaning behind 90% of the craft skills either. Hope those are getting a revamp along with this.

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Could not agree with you more. Makes me wonder if we will see more crafting related materia once they develop this more.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

...but since the time gauge will be eliminated, it’ll be possible to halt crafting between commands.

...we will be changing the current four command system into a two command system and each will have more weight behind them.

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Does this mean AutoCraft on Standard with 2 options to halt/change the results? And are the 2 choices "Careful" and "Wait"?

If so, I support this move 100%. If it means something else, please help me to understand.

I like how this tidbit of information raises more questions than answers ^.^;

I forsee the options being:
1) Normal Synth (Less loss of durability, less gain in quality, higher chance of success)
2) Precision Synth (HQ Synth in disguise) (High loss of durability, high gain in quality, lower chance of success)
3) <hidden option: wait> -- Choosing nothing will just cause nothing to happen
4) <press down three times to releval JP button> (causes instant HQ with 5 materia attached)

I dont understand you people who dont use "Rapid".
Perfection > Rapid = up to 30% Progress with 0 Durability loss
I use it ALL the time.

The action I hardly ever use is Bold/Careful, but that is because I would rather have more Durability for more Touchups than higher quality.

^^^
Perfection is a REALLY high level Carpentry ability, crafts level up extremely slow, so yea... not everyone has access to Perfection.

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You can't please people. I can't wait to see the flood of people saying they are "Dumbing" down the crafting system when people complained it was too complex to do anything other than spam regular.

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You may have forgotten that this already happened when they revamped recipes to their current form from the lunacy we had previously.

Personally I think they need to make crafting as accessible as possible (with room for challenge in some manner) so more people get into it and it becomes more widespread instead of an exclusive club, especially if they go down the path of making us pick craft specializations. They should do whatever they want with the system no matter how many people bellyache; if they can pull it off and make it so I can focus and enjoy myself while crafting instead of watching a video in another window just to make it bearable, I'm sure a large majority of the playerbase will welcome it with open arms.

They won't make crafting "as accessible as possible" because as they showed in XI and even still in XIV now, they prefer to pander to the minority who want to make crafting into a niche activity from which they can make huge amounts of cash. This is only possible if the crafting system is so player-hostile that only a small number can stomach it.

XIV at launch was the culmination of this idea, all that the 'new team' have done is eliminate some of the gross excesses Tanaka's regime put in place .. eg. level 10 synths needing level 20 parts .. but it remains a mind-numbingly tedious and drawn-out affair. almost completely devoid of player skill and input, and entirely driven by the RNG to determine the outcome.

RNG-based crafting is crass and soul-destroying when you know there's NOTHING you can do to affect the outcome .. I don't count the skills you can use, in the great course of things they seem to make precious little difference to the RNG .. but SE love it.

This thread deeply saddens me. I was really hoping that the current crafting system (along with parley) would be trashed, burned, nuked, and completely redone. I dont think at this point any amount of tweaking can fix the horror of these two mini games. Might as well just rename the system to Hasty Hand, make that the only option, and be done with it. At least then there would be no decieving the player into thinking theres actually some skill involved.

Crafting should go like this. Click to begin...series of trigger commands...failure to click sequence = Potential fail. The more accurate you key in sequence = Success and HQ chance.

That is all.

I like that some people like to DoL,
some like to DoH,
and some like to DoW/M.

Keep it that way.

Maybe they will get rid of the redundancy of selecting an ability like Maker's Muse and then select Standard synthsis. Using that ability as an example, here is what I mean...

Currently, the way it works is: Maker's Muse lasts for (up to) 3 attempts. Use Maker's Muse, Use Standard Synthesis, receive Synthesis Progress.

Maybe the idea is (or should be): Maker's Muse can be used three times per synthesis. Use Maker's Muse, receive Synthesis Progress, Rinse-Repeat.

Basically just taking out a step by adding the progress action into the synthesis. This is like saying "I want to synthesize using Maker's Muse." instead of saying "I want to use Maker's Muse. Now I want to synthesize, using Maker's Muse."

If they allowed players to use Maker's Muse three times at any time during a synth, combining that with other abilities I think would create more of a fun mini game with more opportunity for strategy. Instead of: "Crap, I used Maker's Muse, better use the last two before doing something else."

By getting rid of the Standard/Rapid/Careful/Wait options, they can also make the results of the abilities themselves more pronounced, since most people don't bother with anything but Hasty Hand or spamming Standard anyway.

Although the current crafting system is flawed, its easy enough for players to level a battle/magic job, gather some mats, and start up a craft. And even if they can't get mats they have leve quests to provide them with EXP and mats. I do hope SE does open up the crafting system so more people can withstand the long grind, either through added complexety or higher EXP gains, but I enjoy the current system, its time consuming, but at least you don't need to either: spend millions of hours gathering mats or have a ton of gil like in FFXI. You can do it all in moderation and for casual players, its a good system. I think to alleviate some of the grind they could put in more skillful ways to gain advantages in EXP gain for the hardcore audience or something of the sort.

I dont want to have a game where everyone is a capped out crafter.

Where would your profit/customers come from?

Crafting should be a pain in the ass, so only the insane players do it and feel good about themselves.

Im with Lucy- er Lucious<3333 Crafting isn't supposed to be easy I like some to be deterred from leveling then because that's who buys. if everyone's 50 DoH's then everyone makes their own stuff, and the market is obsolete. It isnt hard to hit enter a bunch of times if your lazy and its not hard to bold if your trying to HQ. I see nothing wrong with the crafting system as it is, I liked the changed they made to it last time they fixed it and im happy with that.

Honestly there's already too many crafters in this game, and most of them hate crafting. Please don't make this any easier..

I fully agree with the 2 posts above. If everyone can do everything, you eliminate the need for a community. Keeping people more diversified is how you bring more people together. Its really sad how many players have Rank 50 everything in this game, and it makes the game boring. You now have less people to help or need help from.

Please SE Re-Think this whole "SUPER EASY EXP" modes with all classes. This isn't just limited to DoH, but also DoL, DoW and DoM. If everyone is everything, everyone feels useless.

Bumping this thread to talk about the other possible crafting changes such as referenced by a Reinhart translation.

You cannot select materials to craft a recipe, you have to select the recipe name.
Can only perform recipe if your character learns it.
Recipes may be learned via leveling, leves, or quests.

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Originally Posted by jwang

Ummm... why 2? I'm guessing it's "Take action" and "Wait" in this case? So how are people going to do HQ synths then? I can understand taking out Rapid, it's crap, nobody uses it, and the few times that someone DOES uses it it fails or does less than standard unless you're severely overleveled, in which case you might as well hasty hand it. Careful is still used because its success rate is reasonable with its rewards, so unless you're planning on greatly increasing the quality increases in Standard when used in conjunction with abilities, I really don't see how this would work.

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prob gonna be standard and careful, both willy probably be renamed though.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I imagine the instabillity and orb effects may dissapear if we are loosing our "Wait" option. Give people a complex system and they complain, make it easier and they complain.

You can't please people. I can't wait to see the flood of people saying they are "Dumbing" down the crafting system when people complained it was too complex to do anything other than spam regular.

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You talk as if it is the same people making both arguments. There are those of us that enjoyed the complex crafting system and then there are the people with turnips for brains. We aren't the same nor do we have the same complaints.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Bumping this thread to talk about the other possible crafting changes such as referenced by a Reinhart translation.

You cannot select materials to craft a recipe, you have to select the recipe name.
Can only perform recipe if your character learns it.
Recipes may be learned via leveling, leves, or quests.

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Yoshi-P hinted at this long ago, but I don't think any of us put two and two together to realize this was what he was thinking. I don't know how I feel about the change just yet. I can see benefits and negatives to both the current way and the proposed way.

I do feel, if they make this change, that those of us who have been crafting all this time should be grandfathered in and be awarded every recipe we have ever made.

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Originally Posted by jwang

Ummm... why 2? I'm guessing it's "Take action" and "Wait" in this case? So how are people going to do HQ synths then? I can understand taking out Rapid, it's crap, nobody uses it, and the few times that someone DOES uses it it fails or does less than standard unless you're severely overleveled, in which case you might as well hasty hand it. Careful is still used because its success rate is reasonable with its rewards, so unless you're planning on greatly increasing the quality increases in Standard when used in conjunction with abilities, I really don't see how this would work.

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They have said that HQing items will be mainly based on the items you use now.

Using all +1 items will get you around 500 quality.