Title. There are enough unfair things to contend with besides this. A solo run can essentially fall apart for no reason at any time, at no fault of the player.
Upon disconnecting a player is removed "physically" from the instance which I imagine they might be fearful could lead to cheating by making monsters disengage? However there's a good period where our characters remain in the game before actually disappearing, as we know from other instances, even when alone. DC'ing after the final boss of a dungeon, you can log back in to still be the only person there.
To be honest, in the brief period before reconnecting there's a good chance on later floors that we're probably gonna be dead because of the inability to act anyway, but at least there would be some chance of recovering if we can get back in - and it would make players who love the solo challenge like myself feel significantly less helplessly-frustrated, and like we still have a degree of control when the unfortunate 9002 or router hiccup happens.
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07-10-2018, 05:41 AMAeliott[Request] Please prevent Deep Dungeon failure upon disconnecting (solo)
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07-10-2018, 06:16 AMVnolan
Not only connection issues:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-deep-dungeons
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07-10-2018, 06:24 AMAeliottI am aware of this, and don't think I've fallen victim to it myself yet, but I'm asking if it's possible to not be kicked out of the instance when disconnects happen; it's been an issue since Palace of the Dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vnolan
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07-10-2018, 06:25 AMManuelBravo
I doubt it then anyone can just DC to prevent loss -.- kind of like a loop hole.
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07-10-2018, 06:29 AMRongwayIt sounds like the OP is just asking not to be kicked immediately from the instance upon getting disconnected, so that if he can reconnect before timing out of the instance, he can continue. This isn't as abusable as it sounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuelBravo
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07-10-2018, 06:30 AMAeliottHmm, perhaps. But whenever people dc they remain in the game for at least a dozen seconds or more before their character is physically removed. If you had hate on just 1 enemy on any floor when solo you're absolutely going to die in that period before you'd be able to cheat death and log back in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuelBravo
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07-10-2018, 07:03 AMhynaku
Just wish they fix lag spikes in there also be nice not to disconnects all time in there.
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07-10-2018, 08:13 AMMesarthim
My mood was soured today in my solo HoH run today due to one poorly timed attack.
I was on floor 12 so I was still moving through the trash but one of the serpents used Scale Ripple, the small aoe knockback centered around them. I had started my RDM melee combo and by the time I finished the final hit then Scale Ripple hit me and knocked me back while simuntaneously killing the serpent. This combination booted me from the game and counted as a loss despite not having died. Imagine how someone would feel if this happened higher up? I bet plenty have experienced it.
I didn't even use a gap closer. I just physically attacked the enemy at the same time as they knocked me back while that last hit killed them. -
07-10-2018, 09:02 AMBerteaux_Braumegain
I disconnected so much the other day in group play. One time I DCed only to log back in and immediately DC again.
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07-10-2018, 09:03 AMKageTokage
From what I've heard, those DCs when using gap closers are actually a poorly coded anti-hacking measure, as they only occur in PotD/HoH and Frontlines, and there was a time where bots were using teleport hacks in PvP for...some reason, people complained, and then after the next major patch they disappeared and these weird DCs started happening instead.
Basically, when you use a gap closer right before something dies, the server will register the movement from the skill, but not the actual skill usage, which causes it to call hax because you were moving at an abnormally high speed without using a skill as far as it could tell.
I'd think they could fix this by changing the priorities with which the server registers skill usage, because right now it registers the movement before the damage/actual skill use (And the skill being put on cooldown as a result) when it should probably be reversed.
Though the better question is why they haven't implemented this throughout the game as a whole since it would kill off the gil farmers... -
07-10-2018, 09:49 AMSove92This is not the case when the disconnection is initiated by the server. If for example, you are sending malformed packets to the server (which you can do on purpose), it will disconnect you and you can get back in right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeliott
Under a typical disconnection, it is your OS that first determines that your connection to the server is dead and proceeds to close it, which the client will notice, throwing the 90k error in response. After that, it will take a while longer for the server to determine your connection to the server is dead (because servers have longer keepalives), at which point it will log you out, at which point you can get back in. -
07-10-2018, 11:14 AMKisaiTenshiProbably because it would lag the entire zone. The teleport/gap closer issue appears to be a direct consequence of trying to prevent cheating in competitive parts of the game which have leaderboards.Quote:
Originally Posted by KageTokage
As for why DC's are a fail, they should be. Even though the character might still be in the game and auto-attacking, dc'ing is still used by players to avoid a loss being recorded. Hence I think they designed it so that players don't use it to re-enter at the last 10 floors they successfully cleared.
SE could probably fix the gap-closing issue by not despawning players/npc's for 10 seconds after defeat. It would have consequences for PvP, where players would have to stay KO'd for 10 seconds before respawning.)
Basically (from what I've researched) whenever a player or a npc dies, a "despawn" instruction is sent , and the npc/player is thus "deleted", and if they respawn somewhere, players respawn with their own id again, where as npc's respawn with a new id. I suppose the issue with gap closing is that if you used a gap closer just before a monster died, you might get teleported to invalid coordinates. However, how the actual "action" works is basically "move to X,Y,Z" , "animate (you)", the actual movement has occurred before the animation does. Or at least that's what it looks like. -
07-10-2018, 11:24 AMSekkei
Considering I was getting random 90ks in Heaven-on-High and I was simply running around on DRK or NIN, with no gap closers being used, no mobs in sight or engaged, I'm all for the timed return to game thing without getting booted from the instance entirely. Though I wasn't solo, it was still annoying to be running with my teammates and I'm the only one to get kicked out. At least it was an instant disconnect and it let me log right back in.
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07-10-2018, 11:25 AMMiste
Agreed.
I was in there solo today and I disconnected on like 50 something so it ruined the entire file of like over 2hrs spent.
They just need to make it so the instance doesn't close for maybe 10 minutes to give the player a chance to log back in. It likely wouldn't be able to be abused since if you had an enemy on you it would kill you anyway when you disconnected since your character stays there for a bit on the server. -
07-10-2018, 12:09 PMRiyahArp
The simplest way to do this would be to give you lives. Give a solo player three lives, then end the instance once they run out. If you Dc, it counts as one life. People would say it makes it easier, but ffs, barely anyone completed the last potd solo at all, and 12 out of 13 jobs are totally unable to complete that.
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07-10-2018, 12:18 PMAster_EAnd then it turns out SE is bribed to let the RMT activities actually continue, and the suspensions/bans we see are either for show or only really affect the players who are caught buying. Sound conspiracy-ish enough for you? Because I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that DID become the case. <_<Quote:
Originally Posted by KageTokage
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07-10-2018, 02:47 PMKisaiTenshiPlease don't push this kind of nonsense. This kind of idea is floated every time a MMO of any sorts doesn't do enough to combat RMT. Like if you actually check some of the RMT sites, you'll see that they have "200m" or something on every server. That amount is consistent with the number of bots I see (sometimes up to 100 in Ul'dah - Steps of Nald alone, and another 100 in New Gridania) at 1 million a piece, assuming that's what they get with their MSQ quest rewards and levequests. Those 100 are never standing in one place for very long, but the search system lets you see which ones are online. To get all of them requires camping the Waking Sands for a few hours when they pass through level 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aster_E
As I've stated before, SE could kill all of the bots by putting checks in the Waking Sands, because they all enter with only NPC-given gear. The same gear. A player who is playing the game without any beforehand knowledge of the game would likely not do this, as there is better gear they can buy and various levels that would make them distinct from the bots. To that point the bots only use CNJ and THM to get through content, so all they have to do is check for parties of that configuration that are all the same level. The bots still all stand on top of each other, still have buttonmash names, and if SE wanted absolute proof they're bots, they could look at the elevation and see that the bots are always below the actual ground coordinates for the map location they're at. The zone instance clearly doesn't check the elevation coordinate in the 2.x zones before allowing combat or NPC interaction.
The FC chests are where the bots stand behind, and you can see their FC tag stick out if you stand in the fountain outside the GC.