I really want that new Faerie Tale Prince's Attire for my female char, but I guess that's $18 you're losing because sexism is still a thing in 2018 apparently. Seriously though, $18 for virtual clothing and you can't even make it wearable by both males and females? Are you trying to make money or not?
Please stop gender-locking clothing already
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06-27-2018, 04:44 PMClaTheNinjaPlease stop gender-locking clothing already
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06-27-2018, 04:53 PMKurando
Not sure it could even be called Prince and Princess attire if it could be worn by any gender. Not saying a female can't be a prince or male a princess, but the concept seems to be based on traditional regal attire and gender effects that a lot.
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06-27-2018, 10:50 PMMaeka
Why even have genders, why not just make everybody androgynous? *sigh*
Look, can we keep gender/lifestyle politics out of this game? That would be great, thanks.
There's enough of that stupid crap IRL, I don't want to see it here in this game or on these forums. Nothing against any specific group or people or anything, and if they make gender clothing not locked, hey fine, but how about we not complain about their decisions either way? -
06-28-2018, 08:33 AMUshoQuote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
So you're saying we should just grit our teeth and accept everything cause that's just how it is? If that's what you're saying then, it's not gonna happen so I'd save your breath. If we don't speak up and voice our opinions on things in the game, how do we expect crap to get fixed? SE seems to rely on customer feedback for some of their decisions in the game. Hardcore people wanted something stronger than Savage, they got Ultimate. People wanted male bunny suits, guess what? We got them...took a while but we got them. And do you know how Maeka? I'll tell you. Cause players COMPLAINED.
Even in a game like this, gender/lifestyle "politics" matters. That's how we make change happen. By speaking out and letting SE know how their paying customers feel, we make an impact. I know it's shocking for you and difficult for you to understand but it works. Remember the "All Greed" issue? Guess what? Players didn't like that crap and SE changed it back.
Think before you post. Just saiyan.
/2 cents -
06-28-2018, 09:07 AMCidel
At least these have one for each gender.
Meanwhile things in-game like the Quaintrelle set were released without a male-only variant. -
06-28-2018, 10:42 AMAyasaki128
Usho, you are assuming majority of people want it, then why Maeka have more votes?
Honestly I DONT want political stuff in my game, NO! There are some things I agree with Square Enix, who could say if I am majority or minority in my opinion?
About what you said: "If we don't speak up and voice our opinions on things in the game, how do we expect crap to get fixed?" "Think before you post. Just saiyan." 1. Maeka think before post, it is a opinion and I agree with it. 2. I honestly dont see the problem with the gender stuff.
Dev team could say "it's our game, if you dont like our content you are free to play other games", I dont think they should kneel before userbase with EVERYTHING they want. I have a conservative mentality and what if majority of the userbase of this game have this mentality? Will say everyone is wrong and need kneel before your wills? Honestly, I'm tired with all this sjw bla bla bla thinking the world should stop for them.
You can express your opinion, yes. But stop saying everyone who disagree with this sjw stuff is wrong and need change. There is no right/wrong in this discussion. If they want keep this, then fine, it's their game and I agree with it.
About the raid stuff you said, perhaps the dev team look the 24-man raid like: "it's for glamour or alternative jobs", since there is i370 items in the game and they wanted see how could work only with greed. But sometimes the idea is solid and nobody is forcing you to play the game and accept everything SE do. -
06-28-2018, 11:00 AMDiscoDuck
Even if they did SJWs would still complain only about how "SE SHOULD ADD DEMIB0I, DEMIGIRL AND NON BINARY CLOTHING FOR US GENDERSPECIAL SNOWFLAKES UwU" Make your own MMORPG with made up genders in Hot Topic reject gear, patches and buttons running around if you want it so bad. (oh wait that happened already and it ended up being a scam! lol)
Look around the web, people have "ways" of putting buff dudes in a dress, ladies in the manderville torn suit or removing the wings from the angel and devil cash shop gear. Well if you are a PC player. -
06-28-2018, 11:31 AMNezerius"gender/lifestyle politics" really shouldn't matter in video games, as they're not supposed to be a reflection of real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Usho
Feel free to keep on voicing opinions and complaining about things, just don't expect everything to be changed to accommodate to those complaints. -
06-28-2018, 11:37 AMTempest222
Personally I would find it boring if there was basically nothing to distinguish male and female characters in game. I chose my character because I like the way it looks and the options that are available to it. I'm not saying I mind of some things are for both, but I do enjoy the variety also. Why bother having different character models if they are just going to wind up looking exactly the same? It's honestly that reason that I'll decide not to give my character a hairstyle that I know is available for both male and female avatars. Again, I'm not saying I mind the unisex hairstyles or that I care how others create their characters, but I personally like to have a style that is for sure only female. It's just more interesting to me that way and to know there are also unique options I could choose if I created a male avatar that would distinguish him from my female avatars.
In this case there are two different unique styles which is great. I don't see why they both need to be available to both character types. -
06-28-2018, 02:02 PMShurrikhan
In this particular case, agreed. I see no reason why that wouldn't suit a female character as well. But if only because they're a paired set, I'm not about to care. I just obviously won't be buying it since I can't use it on my main.
To be fair, there have historically been female nobles that have gone by the title-equivalent of Prince even when there was a female variant. Though it is possible that the two titles came with a greater connotation of role (e.g. general, leader, or landlord vs. a manner of diplomat or a decorative post) that outweighed the gender connotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurando
Moreover, they *could* make two version of the clothes and simply have it change form with player gender, as it already does with race. Every non-gendered piece of gear allegedly needs to be manually revised for every race (hence refusal to design any race not almost entirely humanoid, as that would take more work) and yet still manages to function off a single item ID... There's something very strange going on with the coding if the same can't be done with a simple check of gender.
If players could gain access to a vendor who selss each piece of gear they bought from Mog Station to any character on their account, and gender-specific items gave two version thereof -- for male and female each -- even if a bit more expensive, you'd probably see far more sales as well...
Honestly... this. Whatever this in-game world wants to do with their cultures, genders included, that's the world's content. If one feels like their place isn't being considered therein, well, why should it be, necessarily? It's a different world. Especially if yours is already a minority side of things, you're kinda doing the gaming equivalent of going to Tibet for a Five Guys burger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
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What scares me most, though, are the people who would be willing to take balance by reduction, e.g. those who would be happy to lose access to trousers on female characters just so their male characters could keep an equal number of gear pieces to which they have access... Because reducing what's available to someone else clearly helps your own situation right?... -
06-29-2018, 03:54 AMUshoQuote:
Originally Posted by Ayasaki128
You assume that I care about upvotes and honestly I couldn't give 2 sh*ts about if she got more votes from white knighters. And by majority, you mean 11 people? WOW! Such a high majority! I lose! Haha! no. /sarcasm
Honestly, if 11 people qualifies as a majority in a game with over a million+ players to you, then I think you might need to think about what majority means. Majority of 11 people on a forum is not what I'd call a majority but whatever floats your tiny boat right Ayasaki? :)
@Nezerius: I stand my what I said to your fellow white knighter Maeka. Without player feedback, how is SE supposed to know how we feel on things? If you don't speak up, they will just assume everything is good and nothing needs to change. Also where did I say "everything will be changed to accommodate complaints"? Need my glasses? Not sure if you can read or not or if you're just blind.
Player feedback is helpful and it works. But if you're fine with the status quo than more power to you but not everyone is a fan of the status quo. Just thought I'd point that out to you. :D
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06-29-2018, 05:05 AMKurando
Let's just start by making all the titles in the game with gender variants available to every gender shall we, so all those male burly roes and cross dressing male Miqo's can be called Goddess of War or Princess for a Day!
Afterall, we all need to be equal so that we don't want to encourage any sort of sexism, this is 2018... -
06-29-2018, 11:00 PMNezerius13 likes is more than 2. That means 13 people agree with Maeka, that's 11 more than the ones that agree with your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Usho
You should probably hold onto your glasses, since you appear to be having issues reading my initial post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Usho
It said that you can feel free to keep voicing your opinions/complaints, but not to expect each one of them to be met with a change, because not everyone has the same opinion as you do.
That said, the fact that you're already throwing the term "white knight" around already makes me consider avoiding your posts. -
06-29-2018, 11:39 PMManuelBravoNot a nother gender relathed thread
Seriously people some things should be gender related. Some just love the cosmetics, others are just trolling other players with it, some just have different views. So lets agree to disagree;
Players who believe that gender based should stay separate will and have out numbered those who want no gender locks. While I could care less on life styles and accept everyone's individuality, I've seen too many players misused it and harassed players with sexual innuendos.
I for one can understand sexual orientation in game preferences but hey that is what fantasias are for. If people want to role play in game is all fun and dandy however if your really that desperate just go outside in RL and live that. What's that not many people are willing? So in a game it's ok -.-; SE please keep gender locks, some parent's are over protective after all. -
06-30-2018, 12:11 AMCainCrimson
I wouldnt call it sexist, but yes it'd be nice to see items wearable by whatever character chose to wear them.
I would also like to point out (again) that non-straight hairstyle choices are vastly outnumbered by choices available for long flowing straight hair. Whether male or female. wouldn't call it racist tho. -
06-30-2018, 01:19 PMHestzhyen
SE gonna do what SE does. Like another poster said, at least there's one for both this time around. AND the guys got the better looking one for once. If y'all who play female characters don't like that, well... tough cookies. Enjoy the many, many other options and quality choices you have that we don't. :)
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07-03-2018, 01:15 PMhynaku4494
Please do i really want some of guys shorts and outfits for glamour.