Targeted AoE Improvements

I was thinking of ways to improve BLMs mobility and quality of life, and progging Ultimate. Right at the beginning, you're AoE'ing down those plumes until Garuda decides to vanish, but maybe some plumes are alive? So I switch targets before she vanishes to a plume, but what happens when said plume dies? So does my spell...

This is a problem for ALL targeted AoE spells, but it's something the devs could fix. Not all enemies become 100% untargetable by spells upon death. Why not allow Flare, Foul, and other AoE casts to continue casting, even though the target died (so long as the spell was started while they were alive.) In exchange, the diminishing effect should remain. The spell would do nothing to already defeated enemy, and then deal the standard percentage less potency to each additional target.

Really, the worst thing to BLMs is interrupting our spells. This type of change would be a step in the right direction. Hope the devs consider it :) Thanks.

Yes.... plz....

double that Yes pls.., this has been a Blm issue with its (long) cast times since ages!

maybe give Blm a "trait", that will allow them to finish casts even if main target dies (but wont refresh astrals or enichian, unless something actually takes damage...or it might be considered cheap)

or just make it something in general for all classes, so casts can still go off, even if taget dies (just there must be some sort of damage like on secondary aoe-targets, if buffs, timer etc. want to be activated..)

Same kinda stuff happens with RDM too.

A casted AoE should still go off even if your target dies to be honest. Just have it target the ground where the enemy was standing when it died.

I approve of this. With the catch that the attack still has to hit something to count for anything other than a waste of mp.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

I approve of this. With the catch that the attack still has to hit something to count for anything other than a waste of mp.

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That's the way spells like Freeze and Blizzard II works, sure.

Hear here. I'd appreciate similar on RDM, as I've been having basically the same issues with aoe targeting on it lol

blm aoe casts are (very) slow, rdm aoes are faster + proc or are instant..

I feel rdm, but blm with the slow aoe casts (fire 2 and flare) are really a pain, very often an add dies before getting off a single flare (unless ofc got tripple or swift cast up)

No need to make this BLM versus RDM, Shiroe. It's a problem for both jobs, period. It's just as frustrating on RDM to get cut off every cast because you chose the wrong target and it dies mid-cast, because you need that first cast to go off for your dualcast to work.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

I approve of this. With the catch that the attack still has to hit something to count for anything other than a waste of mp.

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I would say the spell should still consume MP, even if it ends up hitting nothing. That would make it function in the same way as other 360 AoEs and ground-targetting AoEs. I think when you couple that with the penalty for losing a primary target in terms of potency, it wouldn't break balance.

What I definitely don't want is for Flare and Foul to turn into ground AoEs. I personally prefer playing with a controller, which already makes BLM kinda a pain, but it makes controlling ground AoEs really painful.

This problem exists for samurais trying to use Tenka Goken too.

the issue exists for every "cast" on an enemy target..

but playing all casters (and sam.. among others), its by far the most a annoying for Blm ..especially when aoe-ing ..,

not saying this as some blm vs rdm BS,.. but if the devs can't or won't to do that for ALL classes with cast moves (either to big to do.. or might unbalance too much.. or what ever reason), than it should be imo atleast done for blm (which have a slow aoe build up in the first place with precasting B3, B4, F3 and or T4 etc,.. blm also have very slow aoe casts too, like f2 or flare..)

no other class loses as much dps, if a cast doest go off as blm

best would be to fix it for all classes, but its imo the most urgent for blm (since 2.x..., even if double or tripple flares were OP in dungeons.., in raids it was annoying as hell)

just fear if all classes with some kind of cast move start calling out "we want this too", .. the devs just might go with:

"ok, since we cant fix this (now) for all of you / for all classes, we wont favor one class (blm) over the others, so no class will get this fixed atm"..

even if the devs might not use that wording (will be much more diplomatic), fear devs might just wait till 5.x for, all instead of implementing it sooner for blm

The Garuda example is bad because you can keep casting spells on a dead Spiny until it explodes, thus refreshing stacks.

To be honest I would prefer it if there was an option for casting to be automatically cancelled. Yes I know you can just move your character to cancel casting, but when you are half way through and then your intended target is no longer available (e.g. it dies or becomes untargetable), it can feel you just wasted your time on the cast. Definitely with BLM it can be awkward if you are trying to get out that last Fire IV but your target dies, you aren't looking enough to notice, and your Transpose doesn't make it on time, leaving you to build up Eno again.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

No need to make this BLM versus RDM, Shiroe. It's a problem for both jobs, period. It's just as frustrating on RDM to get cut off every cast because you chose the wrong target and it dies mid-cast, because you need that first cast to go off for your dualcast to work.

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Hell, it's a problem even for SAM. Tenka Gekko on fast dying mobs like the Yotsuyu fight, especially when people blow ST abilities on random enemies within the pack just 'cus...

At the very least, I wouldn't mind it if the cast could continue if you switch to a new target before the cast finishes.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson

At the very least, I wouldn't mind it if the cast could continue if you switch to a new target before the cast finishes.

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There may be reasons why this isnt possible without a sizable code rewrite. As it is now, i often switch targets mid-cast so that my next spell can land somewhere other then where my current one does. The solution from above of letting the aoe spell finish while still counting the dead NPC as the primary target for diminishing returns would be fine. Some NPCs already persist for a little bit after death afterall.

I fully support this and it is a problem across multiple jobs

Also, for BLM, having the target die before you can end your flare can also result in the loss of enochian which adds up to the problème