Kick Abuse and Reporting

I wish it was as easy to report people for this as it was RMT advertisers because it happens frequently. Every time I report but it's a chore to have to wait for a GM to respond and when they do you better pray you're not in a duty. I was unlucky enough to be in Castrum Meridianum so I couldn't respond and the GM left. Anyways, can any GM answer what actually happens to the people after they're reported? Kick abuse is extremely annoying and I'd like to know if anything is done at all. There's a policy I read in the game that says they don't tell the victim if any actions were taken. Why not?! I would like to know what's done, if anything, or am I wasting my time reporting?

If you're being kicked from unrelated groups frequently, that's not abuse. That's dealing with what sounds like an obvious problem.

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Originally Posted by MetatronPrime

I wish it was as easy to report people for this as it was RMT advertisers because it happens frequently. Every time I report but it's a chore to have to wait for a GM to respond and when they do you better pray you're not in a duty. I was unlucky enough to be in Castrum Meridianum so I couldn't respond and the GM left. Anyways, can any GM answer what actually happens to the people after they're reported? Kick abuse is extremely annoying and I'd like to know if anything is done at all. There's a policy I read in the game that says they don't tell the victim if any actions were taken. Why not?! I would like to know what's done, if anything, or am I wasting my time reporting?

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So how many times have you being kicked out of the party ?

Do you report every groups that kicks you? Have you thought about why you are being kicked so frequently like you claim to be?

Finally found it. Now I don't know much about your precise circumstances, but the sentiment still holds.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing :o

As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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Don't think kick abuse is really a thing, it's such a pain to get a replacement that just dealing with the bad egg is often easier

You must be a real piece of work if this is a common occurrence
The fact that you feel the need to talk to a GM about every kicking is kind of telling as well

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

Do you report every groups that kicks you? Have you thought about why you are being kicked so frequently like you claim to be?

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Before you go blaiming them allegedly. It does happen people do kick one another just for the sake of being disliked. Being disliked by a party is not a good enough reason to be kicked out. Cause if they're not liked, as long as they're following the rules, you cannot kick them technically.

Kick Abuse is when you misuse the reason why the player is kicked, for it gives you the options on why you wish to kick this player.

Verbal Abuse, Griefing, AFK, Disconnection, and Cheacting if I'm not mistaken.

If you dare to kick someone by FALSE accusations and reports, you (not you just you in general) are abusing the system and for that, the person who is doing the reporting should be caught and reported themselves.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

Don't think kick abuse is really a thing, it's such a pain to get a replacement that just dealing with the bad egg is often easier

You must be a real piece of work if this is a common occurrence
The fact that you feel the need to talk to a GM about every kicking is kind of telling as well

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No this sort of thing does happen, and it is only right that those who abuse the system with FALSE kick and reporting should be reported themselves

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

Before you go blaiming them allegedly. It does happen people do kick one another just for the sake of being disliked. Being disliked by a party is not a good enough reason to be kicked out. Cause if they're not liked, as long as they're following the rules, you cannot kick them technically.

Kick Abuse is when you misuse the reason why the player is kicked, for it gives you the options on why you wish to kick this player.

Verbal Abuse, Griefing, AFK, Disconnection, and Cheacting if I'm not mistaken.

If you dare to kick someone by FALSE accusations and reports, you (not you just you in general) are abusing the system and for that, the person who is doing the reporting should be caught and reported themselves.

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No one said kick abuse doesn't happen. However, based on the way the OP frames their issue they're being kicked very frequently from multiple unrelated parties. I don't think it's very difficult to figure out what the problem is.

I'm also not quite sure why you think kicking someone because you "dislike" them is against the rules, especially when that dislike generally would stem from the player's actions, which is a valid reason to kick.

GMs have also all but said that you can kick for reasons other than what the system shows you. For example, the (in)famous "differences in playstyle", which is a pretty broad ruling that covers just about everything but very clear harassment.

You actually can send tells to GMs while in a duty, you just have to right-click their name and select send /tell. GMs have enough power to open up /tell channels for conversation with you while you’re in a dungeon or the like; it’s just asking for patience of you party members at that point. The two times I’ve had to speak with GMs while inside a duty, mine have had no issue with it.

That being said, if you are getting repeatedly kicked out of parties at an alarmingly high rate, the problem probably does not lie with the party members.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

Kick Abuse is when you misuse the reason why the player is kicked, for it gives you the options on why you wish to kick this player.

Verbal Abuse, Griefing, AFK, Disconnection, and Cheacting if I'm not mistaken.

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The reasons for dismissal are Cheating, AFK, Offline, and Difference of Playstyle. Basically anything and everything can fall under the last category, and GMs have said that it is a legitimate reason to kick for “differences of playstyle”. Basically they will only act if there is blatant abuse going on, and that usually requires chat log evidence.

I have been playing since 2.0 release and been kicked maybe 1-2 times for no apparent reason it's a very rare occurrence and if your a tank unless your not keeping hate people are usually forgiving even if your not the best due to potentially having to wait for a replacement which can take a while.

If it's happening frequently there probably is a reason and your just wasting GM's time who are not going to do anything anyways. I don't think I have ever heard of someone getting a warning for it.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Finally found it. Now I don't know much about your precise circumstances, but the sentiment still holds.

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Ah, I remember that. There's a reason it became my signature. Silent kicks (without saying a word) are treated as "Playstyle Difference" kicks. Unless they're openly hostile to you in chat, it'll be treated as "Playstyle Differences" - so find out what it is you're doing wrong to warrant so many kicks and fix it is all I can say. Because of the "Playstyle Differences" shield GMs use, you can bet your bottom dollar they won't do anything.

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There's a policy I read in the game that says they don't tell the victim if any actions were taken. Why not?!

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For the other player's privacy, that's why.

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Originally Posted by MetatronPrime

what actually happens to the people after they're reported?

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If you provided sufficient info in your report that kick abuse possibly occurred, the GMs will investigate.

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Originally Posted by MetatronPrime

There's a policy I read in the game that says they don't tell the victim if any actions were taken. Why not?!

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For player privacy, though in my opinion, it's also because people would see how easy it is to get away with various ToS violations.

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Originally Posted by MetatronPrime

I would like to know what's done

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If the GMs determine that kick abuse did occur, they will issue an appropriate penalty. You can view more info on it here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4651143

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Originally Posted by MetatronPrime

am I wasting my time reporting?

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First you need to consider whether you were unjustly kicked. While the kick options are afk, offline, harassment and cheating, there is also 'differences in playstyle' (any of the four would be selected in that case). That last one has a broad definition and would cover stuff like kicking players not performing the basics of their job (healers not keeping the party alive, tanks not holding threat, dps not using any semblance of a rotation or just pressing random buttons), but it could also include kicks for pulling too much or too little. It wouldn't cover kicks for stuff like glamour, race, job or right before rolling on loot.

If you felt the kick was unjustified and believe it's something those players regularly do, you should report it. It's probably not worth the effort otherwise.

I did see a few times waaaaay back in like 2.0 where people would kick others right before boss to let their buddy in for a 2 min clear. I was the tank so they didn't dare touch me lol. I voted no, it went through anyway since according to SE, 50% is majority, and then I bailed out. Was I an asshole, probably but I won't stand for that behavior. The person that got kicked as I remember, played pretty intelligently. I haven't seen that happen in all 3.0 or 4.0 though. Maybe I was just lucky. I did report the others though. Let SE deal with it.