QoL Change: Ex Trial Mounts

I would really really like to know why we cannot buy the Extreme Primal mounts with 99 tokens when they are new, a.k.a. in the patch they release with. I personally have run Jade Stoa Ex over 170 times, and I have never seen the mount drop. (I am mainly still running it because I want the mane for the barding, but maybe also because I am stubborn.) A friend of mine did over 400 runs of Sophia back in the day, before he finally gave up and waited for the patch he could finally buy it.
I have seen others straight up quit the game, because the few lucky ones who get a drop early or worse; Lootmaster the mount then run- will show off their mount at every chance, AFKing in hubs like Rhalgr's.

I could imagine the intention behind not giving us the option to buy it with tokens comes from a good heart. I don't want to imagine it is just to keep people holding out. Maybe it is meant to help people have experienced players help them clear, and get a few runs in, while it is still relevant. Maybe. But I would like to say that those people that will help others clear already do so, and the rest would not be caught dead in a training party or a clear anyway, keeping to themselves in farm parties where a lot of the time they lock out 'low' ilvl players anyway. I would like to implore the devs to change this, give people something to hold out for, and feel accomplished with, and it would help keep players engaged and happy with the game. I am seeing more and more of my friends getting frustrated with the lack of mount drops, and I don't want to lose more friends because they are feeling played for a fool.

PS: I could also see this help against RMT, in which people will take exorbitant amounts of money from gullible or plain lazy players so someone else will farm for their mounts. With them readily available for tokens, it wouldn't feel so hopeless for people to get them, and they would be less likely to resort to RMT.

Editing the post will let you bypass the character limit. And yeah I also wish we could've bought the mount with totems within the same patch as well.

It's so you'll keep doing it. Simple as that. If you could buy straight away, the hardcores would spam the 99 runs in a few days then never touch it again. Whereas as it stands people continue to keep trying even after saving up 99, purely out of impatience.

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Originally Posted by VaultScout

I would really really like to know why we cannot buy the Extreme Primal mounts with 99 tokens when they are new, a.k.a. in the patch they release with. I personally have run Jade Stoa Ex over 170 times, and I have never seen the mount drop. (I am mainly still running it because I want the mane for the barding, but maybe also because I am stubborn.) A friend of mine did over 400 runs of Sophia back in the day, before he finally gave up and waited for the patch he could finally buy it.
I have seen others straight up quit the game, because the few lucky ones who get a drop early or worse; Lootmaster the mount then run- will show off their mount at every chance, AFKing in hubs like Rhalgr's.

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Because RNG. The "extreme" content is not for entitlement, it's for "yes I earned that". Once the content is retired from being "hard" then people will just spam them unsynced and it becomes a pushover. Then players move on to the next thing. Some players will opt not to even play the content until it's a pushover entirely because the kind of people who try to farm it while it's "hard" are killjoys.

If people are quitting the game over RNG, they need to chill. I hate RNGesus mechanics as much as the next person, but if it's making some people quit, they are taking the game too seriously. Identify the parts of the game that waste your time, and simply don't play those parts until you can trade off time for speed.

Answered your own question. You did Byakko an extra 71 times and apparently your friend did Sophia an extra 301 times. The thing is, they want this content to last a bit so they delay the turn in. Do I think you should have to do 99 runs for a mount? Nah.
But SE's goal is to keep people playing it and delaying the totem turn in serves that purpose just like the mount being there in the first place. Sure, you could just do 99 anyway and stop, but I'm sure there are people out there that don't want to wait and will keep chugging along.

As people have said to keep people doing the content. When they said they were delaying Eureka and new potd because they want people to enjoy main scenario instantly had a bad taste in my mouth (Lets be honest SE its just not ready yet). Second expansion in at this point people joining lootmaster parties and getting shocked by loot and scoot you have only yourself to blame for being that gullible. You think people saying they clear the content 99 times and only had two shots of rolling against 7 others make that kind of stuff up?

Also hardcore people already grind these into oblivion in the first weeks to get it done. If you are going to quit a game due to how rng works then maybe you should think about why you were playing it to begin with.

What if they removed the RNG droprate and made it so you could only get it with tokens, but instead of requiring 99 totems, you need 139'860 (140 inventory slots each filled with 999 totems)? Would that be considered hardcore enough for the hardcore? I know someone's going to give me abuse for this because of how out there it is, but I'm going to post it nonetheless. I'm used to the abuse, so what's more gonna do?

I don't mind waiting 1-2 patches for the Extreme mount totem purchase. Keeps the more relatively recent high-end duties being run like all others have been saying.

However, waiting 3 patches for the totem turn in is too long (Sephirot Extreme, I am looking at you.)

I have no idea how players can get 100s of totems in a couple of weeks, it's been 2 weeks since Tsukuyomi's Pain release and I don't have a dozen totems yet, all the parties I join end up being practice runs save the few ones that actually work for a single clear or two and then disband!...


I don't really mind waiting a couple of months for totems to become tradable for mounts as it's already hard enough to get them!...


Yeah, it sucks to see some players getting their mounts on the first clear ever but they just have an absurd amount of luck and I believe that happens because the RNG system is flawed, it should average the clears required for every single player in order to get the mount drop but it just doesn't, maybe the ones buying more from the Mog Station get luckier, whom knows!...

I’ve asked this question every patch this expansion so far. The only people that are all right with waiting to buy them with totems 2 patches later are people who have been blessed by RNG or are “casual” (read : sane) and don’t farm new extremes 99 times the first week. I killed Lakshmi and Susano 170+ times each before I won their mounts. 151 for Shinryu - I never won it, bought it from the vendor last week. 150 for Byakko - waiting for it to be put on the vendor.

I understand that feeling of bitterness when you see someone on a new mount knowing they’ve probably killed it less than you but those who quit because of their bitter feelings are only hurting themselves.

*struts out of here on my lunar doggy I won on my third kill*

At least you guys can buy mounts with totems now. I didn't have a single horse until after the 3.0 expansion dropped and the rates were buffed through the roof. lord knows how many runs of those i did.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

At least you guys can buy mounts with totems now. I didn't have a single horse until after the 3.0 expansion dropped and the rates were buffed through the roof. lord knows how many runs of those i did.

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You also had to walk 10 miles to town uphill in a snowstorm? It doesn’t matter how things used to be, it matters how things are now and how things should change.

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Originally Posted by Moonfish

You also had to walk 10 miles to town uphill in a snowstorm? It doesn’t matter how things used to be, it matters how things are now and how things should change.

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Its fine this way though, it keeps people doing them, and they can stop and wait for the patch if they are so inclined once they hit 99 totems.

I don't understand why this matters, I've never even had 99 totems even from the super easy to farm unsync ones. Farming that much sucks and isnt fun.

If the current model is supposed to keep us playing the content it has the opposite effect on me than is intended. I'm not motivated to run the content 99 times only so I can buy the mount next year when it's no longer new and other mounts have been released.

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Originally Posted by Moonfish

I’ve asked this question every patch this expansion so far. The only people that are all right with waiting to buy them with totems 2 patches later are people who have been blessed by RNG or are “casual” (read : sane) and don’t farm new extremes 99 times the first week.

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No? Susy and Laki being the first two trials of this expansion means before even reaching anywhere near the last trial, you would be able to purchase them with totem/buffed drop rate. Which is why after losing 12 dog rolls in 110 runs I decided to just purchase it after grinding it. 7 horse 7 birds not seeing any curve balls anytime soon so 7 dogs. I would happily hardcore grind the last two considering when you get the 7 you get a special mount.(Betting on Koryu).

Some people don't struggle or find any of this content hard which is why they are able to grind it. Humans are actually quite capable of having crazy skill sets.

SE should create a craftable item that increases RNG rate . This way crafters and gatherers can make some money while upping the drop rate .

Honestly, we are lucky we got totem turn ins in the first place. I’ve had bad luck with doggos this time around, I got Lakshmi’s at 87, Susano I had 99 saved up and I’ve been sitting on 99 for a long time with Byakko. The rng behind these is designed to keep you running these for as long as possible and they know people will be impatient and keep doing them even after the point of 99 totems. I hate the concept but they know the content will die off a lot sooner if they let all of us unlucky ones get their doggo right away when they hit those 99 runs.

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

Honestly, we are lucky we got totem turn ins in the first place.

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I disagree. It was a decent gesture by the dev team back in the early stages of Heavensward when people suggested that having bad luck and 2 layers of RNG (the actual drop and then lotting against 7 other people) was frustrating and thought spending a large amount of totems on mount whistles was an acceptable stopgap for those who were more than competent in the fight, but had the worst luck. Saying we are lucky we have totem trade-ins for mounts is like saying we're lucky we have a totem trade-in for weapons in the first place (requested from ARR primals) or even a place to give feedback at all (as a blanket excuse for everything these forums have ever asked for and got implemented).


Honestly? I'm also of the opinion that the mount should be purchasable right off the bat too (99 runs isn't anything to scoff at), and it doesn't cheapen the value of the mounts "won" through sheer dumb luck. And I run into far more people who get fed up/demoralized and/or look at their 99th token as "the end" and quit the primal entirely than those few who are hungry enough to keep trying after their 99th token. I think it's a bit desperate that they hold-out allowing the trade-ins sooner on the grounds that they can entice some people to keep gambling their time for the hope of seeing the drop and outrolling the whole/most of the party. But eh, it's just a mount I suppose.

I would love to see the trade-in available immediately since you can only sacrifice so many Lalas to RNGesus.

On Lakshmi, I happened to first see the mount after 20-something fights and won the roll.
On Susano, it took me 60+ fights after his drop rate had been buffed and I had seen the mount 15 times.

At this point I am willing to farm totems because I am still working towards some of the Tank mounts, but once I inevitably get all those who knows?

I have never had to get 99 totems from a fight after the drop rate is buffed and am casual, so I am fine with waiting.

The only exception to that might be when the new Kirin/Firebird equivalent is released.

It also force you to resub whenever they actually add to the game and make it available to be exchange for 99 totems. So they get an extra month worth of money from you. Hehe, suckas!!!

I dont understand this either. Personally not being a mount fanatic, if someone has the motivation to farm 99 totems and not get their mount by then, by all means they deserve it....

Forced scarcity to keep you playing. Dangling that carrot. gotta keep you on that drip.

They're already forcing folks to at least do 99 runs if they don't get a drop so it'd be nice if they actually let us buy the mount on patch or in the next patch or two weeks after patch drops or something. I know a number of people who wait to farm the primals since they increase the drop rate with patches so it's not like people wouldn't be running those primals at all. I recently met another person who has a policy of 10 tokens per day so he'll be doing the primal for at least 10 days if his luck is the worst.

See that's the point. As an Fc leader, i don't mind running a primal for another 300 runs after i've gotten my own drop out of the way either. I help everyone in my Fc, friends or just randomly on the pf clear, there's no reason to not be able to purchase sooner. Those who will help others and keep content alive are gonna do so no matter if they can get a drop out of it or not. On the other hand, those who just want the mount rarely continue after the 99 runs. in my experience they are more likely to continue to 99 runs and then stop entirely. While i see way more people leaving the game because they are fed up being subject to constant bragging by the few lucky ones.