And the last bastion of non-Mog Station items gets put on Mog Station

Three new Mog Station-exclusive orchestrion rolls have been added. Thanks Square-Enix, for making one more list incompletable without spending real world money, and giving me one less motivation to keep playing this game.

None of those rolls appear by default on the orchestrion list, similar to orchestrion rolls from events you've missed - which have already been put on the mog shop, so this isn't really anything new.

If anything, this is the one thing I'll forgive on the mog-shop since it's the orchestrial version. It wasn't made specifically for this game and the orchestra that performed deserves royalties.

Do you really need them ASAP tho? They no mount/minion/glam/emote. Ill get them whenever they are on discounte. Is really no major inconvenience.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

Three new Mog Station-exclusive orchestrion rolls have been added. Thanks Square-Enix, for making one more list incompletable without spending real world money, and giving me one less motivation to keep playing this game.

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There is no "incompleteable list" because these appear on their own tab, and only the ones you own appear. It's the same tab as the orchestrion rolls from one of the music albums. For all I know the tab might not even appear if you don't have any of these orchestrion rolls. But it's similar to the event tab, as BillyKaplan pointed out, which also lists only the rolls you have and doesn't number them or reveal the ones you're missing.

I'm going to second what others are saying and suggest that this is probably one of the best Mog Station implementations. I wish other components of the game would have 'checklists' that invisibly excluded Mog Station purchases, too (a proper Glamour Log; a Minion and Mount checklist). That way I could feel completionist-y without actually contributing to an atrocious cash grab.

On the other hand, it's also a troubling first step down a slippery slope, as is everything with the Mog Station. Right now, it's orchestral versions of in-game tracks, something not found anywhere within the game; will it stay that way? Or will we end up having to pay for certain boss themes in future Raids, as an example? I'm personally quite certain that IF this happens, there'll be a large group of players defending it, too: "thank goodness, it was sooooo hard to get the drops before", "it's not like Orchestrion rolls are needed to get the best gear, it's not P2W", "this funds more original music creation", and other such bullshit.

So, I'm of mixed feelings. Still, of all the various reasons to boycott the Mog Station, and to fault SE for its creation - and there are many such reasons - this is a decidedly weak one.

Putting music rolls on the mogstation is just dumb and another way for SE to make petty cash. Music rolls should be loot drops or something we can purchase on the in game MB. The emotes are a stretch as well. I remember one emote costing from 7-12$ on mogstation. All that for a emote? #AllGreed


Emotes are so meaningless and should be gettable in game. If you do put emotes on HSN...sorry I mean mogstation, emotes should cost no less than 1-2$. Make some mounts like that fps dropping carbuncle mount gettable via the Gold Saucer mgp like the Fenrir mount.



I could go into a whole vent about how mogstation is becoming a shopping network and pointless stuff they add on there that could be in game rewards, but I'll save it for another time.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

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Bruuhh
Way to take advantage of people, SE. :/

Thank god its on the ca$h $hop, it's not as if I had a truckload of achievment points covered in dust in this game.

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I feel like they're actually three of the more reasonably priced items available on the Mog Station. I, personally, don't mind throwing money at Square Enix when it comes to cosmetics - it's unfortunate but in today's gaming world it's pretty much standard to have to do as much if you're a collector. I was actually expecting them to show up as part of the upcoming soundtrack.

I do think it'd be preferable for them to have been tied to achievement points, though. Especially since we ended up getting a revamp of the achievement point system recently...

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

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Ok that's just wrong

this 'bastion' already fell ages ago. The latest arrangement CD as well as the symphony orchestra BD came with 2 bonus scrolls each, aka "oh noez, I have to spend x money on those CDs if I want the scrolls"

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Originally Posted by Beckett

Three new Mog Station-exclusive orchestrion rolls have been added. Thanks Square-Enix, for making one more list incompletable without spending real world money, and giving me one less motivation to keep playing this game.

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It seems the meaning of optional items is lost on people these days.

And for the record...the music is kick-ass...so bugger off. (Now If they would stop charging so much for their CD's...ugh)

Need Moar Music!

PS: That typo (pricing) - wow....tell me someone reported that.

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't character locked.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

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What this just boils down to, at least to me and I'm not saying or implying that they're right to do this at all, but I would much rather spend the $2.39 on a song that I can take with me wherever I go and listen to as opposed towards one that gets played inside my virtual dollhouse in-game. At least, that's what this speaks to me. Anyone can see that the MP3 download is a much better deal than an orchestrion scroll that's only usable inside of the game. I believe that's why they're priced so differently too. While one thing has a greater amount of flexibility, the other thing doesn't.

Again, don't agree with the practice outright, but I believe that's where they were going with it. The MP3 is a lower costs since essentially you can download it once, have it forever, and play it on a myriad of devices. The orchestrion is tied to your in-game house or FC forever and that's the only place you can listen to it (granted no one shuts the song off after every time you leave either).

That's just a standard price for a single MP3 and I think the orchestrion scrolls were always $5.00, no?

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

I'm personally quite certain that IF this happens, there'll be a large group of players defending it, too: "thank goodness, it was sooooo hard to get the drops before", "it's not like Orchestrion rolls are needed to get the best gear, it's not P2W", "this funds more original music creation", and other such bullshit.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

It seems the meaning of optional items is lost on people these days.

And for the record...the music is kick-ass...so bugger off. (Now If they would stop charging so much for their CD's...ugh)

Need Moar Music!

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Oh hey, it started already

I'm going to get hell for this, but why is it ok to do this just because it happened before?
Pretty soon were going to see 24man raid tokens in the Mogstation.

And I remember those saying, years back when the Cas$ $shop was added " Stop being that pessimistic ! it's just past events stuff, they'll never put anything exclusive in it !"

At this point, I couldn't care less about the rolls. They're optional variations on existing, obtainable music and SE gonna money grub. I'm more annoyed that they've needlessly put on a piece of furniture there's absolutely no reason couldn't have been a crafting recipe of Canal drop, because they know Moogles are popular with their target demographic and want yet more $$$.

I don't mind them putting rolls and housing items on the mog station but they are atrociously overpriced.

what bother me is the price, it's too high for just a orchestrion roll, i feel it will have been nice for this price to add a mp3 version of it. right now is totally overpriced

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I feel like they're actually three of the more reasonably priced items available on the Mog Station. I, personally, don't mind throwing money at Square Enix when it comes to cosmetics - it's unfortunate but in today's gaming world it's pretty much standard to have to do as much if you're a collector. I was actually expecting them to show up as part of the upcoming soundtrack.

I do think it'd be preferable for them to have been tied to achievement points, though. Especially since we ended up getting a revamp of the achievement point system recently...

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I am not sure if you can call them reasonable priced items if you get the music elsewhere (like the screenshot above the post) cheaper and most music you can buy is cheaper than that.

And lets not forget that they are single character only too.

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Originally Posted by Celef

And I remember those saying, years back when the Cas$ $shop was added " Stop being that pessimistic ! it's just past events stuff, they'll never put anything exclusive in it !"

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https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/F...he_White_Raven
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/R...chestrion_Roll
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/F...py_of_Oblivion

As you can see you can get those musics already ingame. The versions in the cash shop are the orchestral versions.

You don't want to buy the ochestral version in the cash shop? Buy the MP3 files or the whole CD.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...dm_ws_sp_ps_dp

Or just be satisfied with the normal versions you can get ingame.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

It seems the meaning of optional items is lost on people these days.

And for the record...the music is kick-ass...so bugger off. (Now If they would stop charging so much for their CD's...ugh)

Need Moar Music!

PS: That typo (pricing) - wow....tell me someone reported that.

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It does not matter if it is optional, being optional does not grant immunity to criticism.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

And lets not forget that they are single character only too.

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As if they want you to discourage you for making alts or something. I mean, you can do everything and every job on a single character.
Getting to the up to date main story is quite a trip now, too, unless you fork in for a shortcut.

Wow, it's weird you guys have the orchestrion roll for 5$ ! In Europe, it's 3.5 euros. So well maybe it represents the same according to currencies but 3.5 euros (also I find it expensive for an orchestrion roll...) looks more like the right price than 5 euros.

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Originally Posted by Tinibou

Wow, it's weird you guys have the orchestrion roll for 5$ ! In Europe, it's 3.5 euros. So well maybe it represents the same according to currencies but 3.5 euros (also I find it expensive for an orchestrion roll...) looks more like the right price than 5 euros.

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But 5$ are less than 5€

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Originally Posted by Hamada

It does not matter if it is optional, being optional does not grant immunity to criticism.

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Buy the orchestral versions as MP3.

1. cheaper
2. you can hear it anywhere and while playing any alt as well. You can even hear it while not playing at all.
3. you get it outside of the cash shop.

Assuming these are the in-game counterparts to the Eorzean Symphony Album's, I think it's probably more worth getting the album. You get MP3 (26 tracks) and FLAC (10 of the 26 tracks). The orchestral arrangements are good. Not all are my cup of tea. But good.

Yes, it comes with 2 in-game orch rolls (not these same orch sheets on Mog Station) though I personally think it's weird to buy an item *just* for the freebie.

That said I do buy toothpaste sometimes for the cute mugs they bundle together. It's complicated. I'm an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I am not sure if you can call them reasonable priced items if you get the music elsewhere (like the screenshot above the post) cheaper and most music you can buy is cheaper than that.

And lets not forget that they are single character only too.

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Games such as Fortnite prove that micro-transactions aren't going anywhere. Complaining about them at this point isn't going to accomplish anything - the best we can do is take a firm stand and try to push for them to be purely cosmetic. Micro-transactions are also very successful in Japan and this is a Japanese game.

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Originally Posted by Maleficent

Yes, it comes with 2 in-game orch rolls (not these same orch sheets on Mog Station) though I personally think it's weird to buy an item *just* for the freebie.

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It's not that weird, really - and it likely happens more than you'd think. I bought both of the Primal statues purely for the emotes.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Games such as Fortnite prove that micro-transactions aren't going anywhere..

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You missed the point there. The post wasn't against micro-transactions in general, but criticizing this particular one. Let's compare the mog-shop purchase vs. what I assume is an Amazon page. Same product, but Amazon offers it for less and without the restrictions the game has (only in-game, with an orchestrion you have permissions for, on a specific character), yet the game charges almost twice as much.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

You missed the point there. The post wasn't against micro-transactions in general, but criticizing this particular one. Let's compare the mog-shop purchase vs. what I assume is an Amazon page. Same product, but Amazon offers it for less and without the restrictions the game has (only in-game, with an orchestrion you have permissions for, on a specific character), yet the game charges almost twice as much.

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It's not unusual for there to be a 'mark up' for such products, though. You're basically paying for the 'luxury' of having them available to play in-game through the orchestrion. Sure, you can buy them elsewhere, turn off the in-game music and just play them in the background through other sources but these are simply targeted at players who make frequent use of their orchestrion whilst crafting, role-playing or idling.

I guess you might argue the scroll is more expensive as you are kinda broadcasting it to the whole server for free if you have your house/apartment open to visitors

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Games such as Fortnite prove that micro-transactions aren't going anywhere.

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The continued existence of supporters prove that micro-transactions aren't going anywhere.

It's business. Taking a stand, complaining, morals, whatever are all irrelevant - the only thing that matters is the bottom line. If companies learn that they can make more money with micro-transactions that are more than cosmetics only, they'll start doing it. Doesn't matter what the consumers have to say if they don't act on it.

Reminder: We're in capitalism. The point of actors here, whether companies or consumers, is to be greedy (Aka: Maximizing their own selfish benefit) and rip each other off as best they can. Then the invisible hand will do the rest and guide the economy to the best result for all. Or so they say. If not, we blame it on externalities and the state.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

The continued existence of supporters prove that micro-transactions aren't going anywhere.

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This. SE is going to balance the profits from microtransactions against the possible negative economic consequences of offering them (i.e. people quitting on principle). Unfortunately, there's a significant imbalance here pointing in favour of offering microtransactions, from a profit standpoint.

If people want to help shift things in the other direction, they need to alter their purchasing decisions of SE products accordingly, and voice the reasons why. It might not add up to much on its own, but enough people doing it, we might see progress. I know personally, I do enjoy FFXIV still; it's a nice social game to play with my girlfriend. But, SE's push toward microtransactions influences my purchasing decisions in regards to other titles. I don't buy any of their shitty DLC for other titles they publish, and I'll very frequently wait for a sale on their games, because I feel like they're trying to milk enough from FFXIV already so as to not need ultra-healthy margins on other titles. If they were to stop getting so greedy, stop nickel-and-diming us to death in FFXIV, I'd begin purchasing more of their other titles full price.

There is another approach, too, that people can try: peer pressure. I not only avoid the Mog Station myself, but I say absolutely nothing positive about outfits or mounts that I know come from it. When the Carbuncle mounts released and some friends were talking about how cool they were, my reaction was 'eh, I'll never support the microtransaction bullshit, so I don't really care.' Again, in and of itself, this won't make a difference - but one of the main motivating factors for purchasing items on the Mog Station is bragging rights for that new mount or outfit. If nobody reacts positively, the bragging doesn't get you as far, and the desire to purchase items drops.

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The only other thing I can recommend to people sick of the Mog Station (and similar cash shops in other MMOs) is to keep realistic goals. For me, that means (a) being able to play the games I want to play, while (b) feeling as if I'm doing my part to discourage these shitty creations. I try not to set a rigid goal of 'no cash shop or bust', because that would just lock me out of MMOs. It's not a perfect solution, but it's working for me, at least.

I bought all three of them and I don't regret it, they make an awesome addition to my playlist, particularly the cover of Oblivion. Also, to second what someone else already covered, real money for orchestrion rolls has been a thing since the release of Duality.

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Originally Posted by Usho

Putting music rolls on the mogstation is just dumb and another way for SE to make petty cash. Music rolls should be loot drops or something we can purchase on the in game MB. The emotes are a stretch as well. I remember one emote costing from 7-12$ on mogstation. All that for a emote? #AllGreed


Emotes are so meaningless and should be gettable in game. If you do put emotes on HSN...sorry I mean mogstation, emotes should cost no less than 1-2$. Make some mounts like that fps dropping carbuncle mount gettable via the Gold Saucer mgp like the Fenrir mount.



I could go into a whole vent about how mogstation is becoming a shopping network and pointless stuff they add on there that could be in game rewards, but I'll save it for another time.

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Originally Posted by Felis

But 5$ are less than 5€


Buy the orchestral versions as MP3.

1. cheaper
2. you can hear it anywhere and while playing any alt as well. You can even hear it while not playing at all.
3. you get it outside of the cash shop.

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yeah I know NephthysVasudan missed the point of that post and I had a comment about it too but it was late at night and.. end up being missing, lol

The fact that those orchestrion rolls are double the price of a single song that can be downloaded digitally is what I find wrong with this. You can't take your orchestrion with you in the car and yet SE figures double price is worth only being able to listen to it in apartments, houses, and inns in a subscription based game. Access to your account being cut off for any reason means you're cut off from the orchestrion roll. Why buy it? :\

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

You missed the point there. The post wasn't against micro-transactions in general, but criticizing this particular one. Let's compare the mog-shop purchase vs. what I assume is an Amazon page. Same product, but Amazon offers it for less and without the restrictions the game has (only in-game, with an orchestrion you have permissions for, on a specific character), yet the game charges almost twice as much.

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Yeah I know that we are fighting a losing battle about the cash shop itself and as long as we get most stuff ingame I could live with it. (Albeit a bit annoyed if its something cool and unique that lands in there) But the biggest problem right now and something which can be changed is the price range of this stuff (and it being single character).

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Originally Posted by Sekkei

The fact that those orchestrion rolls are double the price of a single song that can be downloaded digitally is what I find wrong with this. You can't take your orchestrion with you in the car and yet SE figures double price is worth only being able to listen to it in apartments, houses, and inns in a subscription based game. Access to your account being cut off for any reason means you're cut off from the orchestrion roll. Why buy it? :\

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It's extra because it's from the arranged Eorzea Symphony album and it's Square Enix so stuff like this is gonna be at a premium. Just wait for a sale. This is all fluff. No one says you have to buy it. This is what i always don't get. Don't like it? Don't get it. Your game experience isn't going to suffer.