Rage Quitters: An observation

So after a couple dungeons where wipes happened within the last couple weeks, I think I've been noticing something...

Usually when a wipe happens, it seems the first people who bail are the people who are performing the most poorly.

This seems to be a trend anytime you get rage-quitters and cowards in the group who abandon duty after a wipe or two.

Today was a good example. Castrum Fluminis (the newest Trial). Went in, and I noticed it was taking absolutely forever to get the boss into the 2nd phase, and we almost ran out of time in the 2nd phase, and it was taking forever to get through other phases and we'd wipe with her being at some 70%+ even though we fought and fought and fought.

We attempt it again and same thing, wipe at 70% or such. Then two people instantly leave the group and the tank let a bombshell drop: The PLD did 1.2k more DPS than either of the two DPS who bailed group. The two replacements entered and man, she was going down a LOT faster.

Now sadly, that group didn't make it, we ran out of time, so I went in with a half linkshell group, wiped once at like 15% but we tried again and got her the 2nd try.

But yeah, it seems like anytime you get rage-quitters, they are the people who are usually causing the wipes in the first place, or at least that's the trend I've been seeing last few times I've wiped in a duty.

People go in expecting to be carried, then get mad and quit when they realize the group can't do it. That's my view on what you just described.

they just heard it was easier than Byakko and just thought it wouldn't matter how they played and they would get a clear. This fight is about as easy as Lakshmi is or even the easiest trial this expansion.

I was just making an observation. Obviously if they are performing poorly and not learning the mechanics, then yes you want them to leave.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

they just heard it was easier than Byakko and just thought it wouldn't matter how they played and they would get a clear. This fight is about as easy as Lakshmi is or even the easiest trial this expansion.

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I would have to respectfully disagree there.

Yes, this newest Trial is easier than Shinryu (by loads), but yet I would not say it is easier than Lakshmi.

All of Deltascape and all of Sigmascape (non-Savage obviously) except Kefka I would rate as being easier than this one, and I'd say that this one is slightly harder than Byakko was.

So basically what I'm saying is I think it is tied for second-hardest with Kefka and Byakko coming in a close third. Byakko's stuff is easy to read, but yet his AoEs are just so freaking large sometimes you can't get out of them even if you sprint the moment you see it.

EDIT: I realize that Delta/Sigmascape are not really "Trials", but yet they are 8-man boss fights all the same so I felt that it was fair to compare them.

I think the majority of people forget that there’s are millions of people playing this game and that everyone is at a different skill level. I have rage quit when I have farmed an ext primal but I don’t want to waste time. Some people have higher learning curves and will take much longer than others to learn a fight. If you see this happening , ask if they’d like some advice. There are people with anxiety and other mental illnesses that may be the reason they are having trouble. Lend a hand if you can

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Originally Posted by DivinaDiva

Wouldn't you want them to leave anyway if they are not performing? I don't expect to be carried but if I cannot perform well then, what's the point? You're better off replacing me.

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The more people you help clear, the more people clear the more farm parties can form. Help some people before you kick

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Originally Posted by Linx0r

I think the majority of people forget that there’s are millions of people playing this game and that everyone is at a different skill level. I have rage quit when I have farmed an ext primal but I don’t want to waste time. Some people have higher learning curves and will take much longer than others to learn a fight. If you see this happening , ask if they’d like some advice. There are people with anxiety and other mental illnesses that may be the reason they are having trouble. Lend a hand if you can

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Problem is, a lot of these people don't even ask for help whatsoever. Sometimes, these very same people are the ones complaining about the wipes, but yet they're the lowest on the DPS meters and they are getting hit by every single mechanic (as was the case earlier).

Hey, I can understand getting hit by mechanics over and over again, but to Rage-Quit as though it's everybody else's fault? That's what I take issue with.

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Originally Posted by Linx0r

The more people you help clear, the more people clear the more farm parties can form. Help some people before you kick

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I wouldn't want these people in my farm parties tbh.
If they can't do it with an average level, that means that content isn't for them and they need to train on something easier before.
Helping isn't a problem. Being a burden and getting carried is.

Why jumping trough steps like that and blaming others for not being helpful while underperforming people should be the one questionning themselves.
That's okay to learn slowly with easier content first.

That makes sense but really, you can’t tell or force someone to NOT play something. If they want to play a fight that they aren’t ready for, well you’d hope they did everything they could to learn. But like I said before, what may be very trivial to you or me may be completely Greek to someone else. I feel your pain but trying to take a more positive and patient stand on it

our FC master would say it a lot when we happen to party in alliance raids with a poorly performing group--they're usually the first ones to quit. over the years I've encountered people like this who mostly quit at Ozma, Bismarck, and recently Hashmal after just 1 wipe XD basically, OP's observation is correct.

I feel like it’s mostly both ends of the spectrum. Those that underperform and those that are really good with the fight already. I do feel like tanks that underperform dip out quicker than most. It comes down to patience and a lot of people don’t have it. Either people want an easy carry or people want everyone else to be on their level ... even though it’s new content in this case. Players that put 12+ hours a day in need to realize that isn’t the norm and people don’t have that much time to learn a fight. People that don’t try to learn they can’t be carried through content.

I think there should be more of a punishment for rage quitting.

On a side note, I thought this trial was difficult to learn but super fun once I found a group that was patient enough. It’s very unforgiving for rezzes because there are a ton of large AoEs that you can’t avoid if the timing is off.

I'd say you're right. I went into the new trial (just normal mode) with an FC mate to help them clear. Now I'm not the greatest, it was only my second run of it, and I don't have a parse to prove it, but on SMN I would be fighting with the main tank for aggro without using my aggro dump, and even while halfing my enmity, I would be ahead of the melee on the aggro scale. XP We kept failing and failing and failing and eventually 2 DPS dropped out after saying some nasty things. We got 2 new ones (also SAM and NIN lol), boom, suddenly we could make it past phases. Wiped once because both healers were new and hadn't been able to make it far in the fight, but it went insanely better.

Sometimes it's people who underperform. Sometimes it's just jerks. Had a Tsuku group the other day where we wiped on first try because one of the DPS had been doing a bit of a different strat and ran the wrong way during the meteor on our first try. Tank instantly left after the wipe. We got a new one and went on to clear no problem.

I'm leveling my tank right now and I swear to god I will never be a tank like that.

I'm relieved to say i've only ever seen someone drop out once, but we perservered in spite of having to do 2 additional attempts, i can't recall the dungeon name now. But yeah i'd never drop out of a duty. As a Tank i know what my job is and i expect everyone else to do their role.

Those who think people can be carried because "it's only a dungeon", or "they're leveling" when they don't know the basics (the game does a great job at pointing them out), or when they're barely geared (the game literally throws gear and money at your faces) are to be blamed. The game is never gonna rise up in terms of a healthy, skilfull community, and it's one of the reasons the tedious patch cycle is never gonna change.

I can only recall occasional tanks quitting on 4-8 mans. No one even talks to each other in groups let alone ask if people know the fight before a boss. It's like doing dungeons with your squadron lol.

I'm baffled by all the stories about people wiping for days on a MSQ trial. Did it once in one pull. Healer LB3 had to be used, but no wipes. And this was day one.

Two weeks later and it's "There were more wipes than the baby aisle of Walmart."

I don't always rage quit, but when I do, I make sure to announce the absurd reason why, shout "RAGE QUIT", and then perform some continuous emote while I stay with the group waiting for others to load in. Hey it lightens the mood a little, lol.

That's the case sometimes but not always. Other times maybe someone already cleared it and was in a farm mode and not progression mode. I've cleared Tsuku EX over 60 times between my 2 toons but if I'm just trying to get my Trials roulette done, I'm probably not going to be as patient compared to if I willingly went into a practice or clear PF party. I just want to get my roulette done and farm some gil/tombstones and not do 4-5 pulls wiping due to newer player(s) or bad player(s) messing up mechanics. If you are new to this fight or still need practice, you can always form a PF party and recruit ppl to learn the fight with you or you can ask friends or FC members to help. Also, I don't insult anyone or say anything mean when they mess up, I usually just wish them luck and leave or log out. I don't think that's a bad thing to do on my part.

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

I'm baffled by all the stories about people wiping for days on a MSQ trial. Did it once in one pull. Healer LB3 had to be used, but no wipes. And this was day one.

Two weeks later and it's "There were more wipes than the baby aisle of Walmart."

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I have seen some really terrible players recently in Tsuku normal where they just can't learn the easy mechanics- dying to moon phase stacks, being lost during the fans, dying to tank buster cleaves... things that are just not believable but actually happens. I was patient and tried to help some ppl get a clear on a trial roulette but after 6 pulls, I finally realized these people have no chance. If you stay you are just going to keep wiping and wasting time. Better to cut your loss and take the 30 min penalty and hope for a better group.

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

I'm baffled by all the stories about people wiping for days on a MSQ trial. Did it once in one pull. Healer LB3 had to be used, but no wipes. And this was day one.

Two weeks later and it's "There were more wipes than the baby aisle of Walmart."

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Generally speaking, the higher skilled people tend to be on top of things.
While not a hard rule by any means, it's just something I've noticed. As weeks go on your chances of doing something smoothly for the first time may drop.

Not always . I was on a alt on a learning party for Lakshmi extreme on pf. I notice that our main tank was a bad when he says to use discord on that easy fight and didn't tell any mechanics to anyone, also the noob was a little sarcastic. So I was there and told the mechanic for the other tank, for healers and dps. Even with that we wiped one time because people need a time to get it and it's normal. Of course that horrible tank left after one wipe. He was just there to be the first wolf thief. Glad that noob who thinks that are a ''god player'' is just another quitter. After we cleared we did more 7 times to farm wolf. Also that tank should know that on all MMO is a tanker job to explain the fight, if the tank isn't the new one of course.

I all most rage quit today from a healer not healing the tank and letting them die. Really gets to you fast when you have a healer and your rdm has to be main healer. Because healer only focus is dps.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I all most rage quit today from a healer not healing the tank and letting them die. Really gets to you fast when you have a healer and your rdm has to be main healer. Because healer only focus is dps.

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If I'm RDM, I'll throw Vercures, sure. However sometimes I'll remind the healer that my DPS spells do way more damage than their rocks, and that they really should be doing their job so I can do mine. Or, you know, we can take 2x as long to kill crap because I'm forced to do their job. If that's what they REALLY want, then sure, I'll Vercure the whole stinking dungeon. I've done it before.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Really gets to you fast when you have a healer and your rdm has to be main healer. Because healer only focus is dps.

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I'll only use heal/raise as an RDM under certain circumstances. If a healer is down I will raise them, if the tank is obviously about to die and healer is in trouble or down I will vercure. will sometimes heal myself if I was the one who stepped in it :)


If the actual healer wants to make an idiot of themselves, that's their lookout.

If he let the Tank die then he was an idiot, but if he is letting the Tank get low when he is DPSing that is perfectly normal for any healer that isn't garbage. I would also love it if Paladins would do their own rotation and not bother using Clemency when they fall under 40% hp. Some people need to trust their healers more and stop panicing.

People who seem like they are about to rage quit or express that "I'm just not good enough" attitude, I ALWAYS go out of my way to help. I try to have them tell me what they need what they don't understand I try to help them as best as I can so not only we can pass the fight, but to boost their confidence. Sometimes, I find that people who may not "preform well" MIGHT stem from them not being able to get over that giant wall of "I can't" "I'm just not good enough" etc etc. Now, people who reject help and just don't care at all...those are the ones that we should look at...maybe getting a character prepped to be a bot or something who knows -_-

Also, Hi Diva~ ^^

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Originally Posted by Asako

If he let the Tank die then he was an idiot, but if he is letting the Tank get low when he is DPSing that is perfectly normal for any healer that isn't garbage. I would also love it if Paladins would do their own rotation and not bother using Clemency when they fall under 40% hp. Some people need to trust their healers more and stop panicing.

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Most of the time i try this i end up dead.
Less than 10% HP left? Nope, no heals coming, just more DPS. And then death.

Thanks a lot healer.

At this point i'm convinced it's better to just heal myself when i get low than wait on a heal that doesn't come until it's too late.
Trust at this point is running very low.
Trusting the healer kills me way, way too often.

There seems to be some sort of belief that tanks can keep going indefinitely without healing and that any tank who dies as a result of being ignored by the healer is bad.

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Originally Posted by The_Promised

Also that tank should know that on all MMO is a tanker job to explain the fight

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No, it's not. It's just some weird fallacy that doesn't even have basics in reality in my experience, as I never had a tank RL, even though I play MMOs for 15 years.
Tank is usually the one who knows dungeon tactics the best because players who don't know them are simply too scared to go as a tank.

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Originally Posted by Mixt

Most of the time i try this i end up dead.
Less than 10% HP left? Nope, no heals coming, just more DPS. And then death.

Thanks a lot healer.

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There seems to be some sort of belief that tanks can keep going indefinitely without healing and that any tank who dies as a result of being ignored by the healer is bad.

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That's weird -- my experience as a healer seems to be the opposite. Usually the tank pulls 3 groups at once then doesn't use any of their cooldowns so I'm stuck with no option but to Largesse+Lightspeed Benefic II or Largesse+PoM Cure II spam while their health violently ping pongs and I don't get to do any DPS at all. It seems to me it would be much more efficient for the tank to use a cooldown on big pulls so I can at least place some DoTs and get off a Holy or Gravity or two, seeing as those cooldowns are almost never needed for boss fights anyways, but what do I know?