Math Blaster is my new favorite boss

ok that is all bye

You are my new least favourite person.
(No, I'm kidding. xD)

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it's the boss we will never done without anyone fail, i wonder if it have a special line if nobody mess up the math part!

Big-O Lagann's Perfect Math Class

That robot is the hero nobody asked for, but we all deserved.

Easy as long as you can remember the first few prime numbers. Who even needs to remember those these days?

Yes I'd like my friendly Iron giant to be a mount and his mount skill to be his dance.

I too love Construct "Can't Do Math? Get Out of My Path" 7.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Easy as long as you can remember the first few prime numbers. Who even needs to remember those these days?

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Some people have Dyscalculia and are having trouble with the boss from what I've seen. However the solution simply seems to be running with someone who can help do call outs.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Some people have Dyscalculia and are having trouble with the boss from what I've seen. However the solution simply seems to be running with someone who can help do call outs.

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This is my issue with the boss sadly. Although my solution is just to sprint over all the tiles 'till I'm at the right number. ._.

The only thing I don't like about him is Disposal. If you have latency, it can be extremely hard to stay ahead of those lasers

When the fight was first explained to me, the explainer forgot to mention that it lowers your health to a few hp. I went in there with dread wondering how I was supposed to determine 43k+ health was a prime number. Lol.

Math Blaster?
Cool, looks like i can finally use my secretly unlocked Arithmetician/Calculator job. ;)

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I too love Construct "Can't Do Math? Get Out of My Path" 7.

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Construct "Can't divide by four? Go tank the floor." 7.

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Originally Posted by Corue

Construct "Can't divide by four? Go tank the floor." 7.

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Construct "If you don't know what numbers are prime you're not worth my time" 7

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Originally Posted by Enla

Some people have Dyscalculia and are having trouble with the boss from what I've seen. However the solution simply seems to be running with someone who can help do call outs.

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is Dyscalculia a thing? I have trouble with basic math (not THAT basic though) although higher forms of math such as algebra and trig never gave me issues in high school. How would dyscalculia even work?

One thing it shows is that a lot of people don't know what divisible by 4 and divide by 4 mean. Seems almost every time people are asking "WTF? how do I divide 3 by 4?" when that's not what was asked.

when did everyone become such jerks? It's not the math, its the fact that you're asking people to DPS as well as do math with a moderate time limit. People also don't get that you are supposed to stand in one instead of tap it and keep adding numbers, as well as that you only add them, since the boss uses subtract and multiply. Some don't look at their HP because it's still at full and they miss the downgrading. People get it when you explain it, but its a bit annoying to see all the "durrr hurr stupid people" over an unusual mechanic the first week of the raid. And yes, i can do it fine.

I hope Yoshi adds this to savage with three digit totals and single digit primes as the pools you have to tap. Be forgiving of other people, don't crow over it, yeesh

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

when did everyone become such jerks? It's not the math, its the fact that you're asking people to DPS as well as do math with a moderate time limit. People also don't get that you are supposed to stand in one instead of tap it and keep adding numbers, as well as that you only add them, since the boss uses subtract and multiply. Some don't look at their HP because it's still at full and they miss the downgrading. People get it when you explain it, but its a bit annoying to see all the "durrr hurr stupid people" over an unusual mechanic the first week of the raid.

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Exactly, the maths part isn't the hard part. It's knowing that your HP has changed, that the circles add to your HP, that you have to stay in the circles, that outside of a circle can be the correct answer and that the boss is casting the opposite operation the player is supposed to use. Trying to read the instructions when the mechanic is already occurring (especially when it's not in your native language) means people will miss things and not understand how the mechanic works right away. When explained it's an easy mechanic to most people.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

The only thing I don't like about him is Disposal. If you have latency, it can be extremely hard to stay ahead of those lasers

When the fight was first explained to me, the explainer forgot to mention that it lowers your health to a few hp. I went in there with dread wondering how I was supposed to determine 43k+ health was a prime number. Lol.

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This was my issue. The math was easy, but I was having frame drops and some latency in my first run and died every time this skill went off...

well my problem with him is that i am not so good in this side of english and i dont think i want improve, others must fight this fight ... unless someone in SE will change this mechanic to something same but mechanics to be understandable :( i dont like using google translator when he starts this cast lol :D

I had trouble understanding what exactly he wanted me to do ._. I thought I needed to mutiply/divide my health by the dots rather than add them together... But that was probably my dyslexia making it difficult lol

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Easy as long as you can remember the first few prime numbers. Who even needs to remember those these days?

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If you know what a prime number is, you don't need to remember them, because you can determine if something is one.

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Originally Posted by Cerbolt

I had trouble understanding what exactly he wanted me to do ._. I thought I needed to mutiply/divide my health by the dots rather than add them together... But that was probably my dyslexia making it difficult lol

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You are hardly alone on that. :) I was trying to explain it to some newbies last night and that was the hardest part. Once they saw it a couple of times it clicked and then it was easier. The first time you see it there's definitely some "uhh, WHAT?" going on. :)

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Originally Posted by Cerbolt

I had trouble understanding what exactly he wanted me to do ._. I thought I needed to mutiply/divide my health by the dots rather than add them together... But that was probably my dyslexia making it difficult lol

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That's very understandable. I thought that the circles subtracted from your health (cus he casts Subtract beforehand). Figuring out what the puddles do and how you reach the ultimate goal of what he's saying is just general trial and error ^.^
Thankfully I semi-accidentally stumbled through it the first time so that helped with the 2nd time XD
I can see how this might be kinda difficult while playing a DPS tho. I was only playing a healer so I only had a very simple rotation to do while doing the math. DPSs are more complicated tho, and I might have trouble doing both (but I wanna try now XD)

I feel ashamed of myself after getting into the new 24-man last night and getting to him. I do payroll for a living, so math is my life....I failed - HARD - at him. Mind you, I did go in blind, and nobody in the raid was explaining anything. I did catch on to most of the other stuff though...so I just need to run it a few more times(bet I will get it a few times during Mentor Roulette this weekend) to practice that part.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

when did everyone become such jerks? It's not the math, its the fact that you're asking people to DPS as well as do math with a moderate time limit.

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my last group fought him for 20+ mins so I do not believe (in god) there is any sort of DPS check.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

my last group fought him for 20+ mins so I do not believe (in god) there is any sort of DPS check.

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The only DPS check is after the math, with the add phase. If you don't kill those fast enough to be able to escape, he wipes anyone still in the portal. If most of the group survives the math phase and a few people have the success buff, it's not a hard check. Woe be if half your group is dead, though.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

my last group fought him for 20+ mins so I do not believe (in god) there is any sort of DPS check.

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There is an add phase but as long as one group gets out (it's like ozma, but after one group kills theirs they can leave) they can probably raise everyone else as his rotation after that repeats until he dies or everyone in the group is dead.

When I did it one group got blown up in there but we just eureka zombied the rest of the fight by raising people continually and chipping away at it's health until he died.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

after that repeats until he dies or everyone in the group is dead.

When I did it one group got blown up in there but we just eureka zombied the rest of the fight by raising people continually and chipping away at it's health until he died.

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yeah that's what I had to suffer as well. Doing my full SAM rotation for 20 minutes made my hand sore.

I think the worst part is when healers fail to top off the party once the math phase ends so anyone who did the math correctly winds up losing their stacks immediately to the incoming Incinerate.

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Even though I never had it officially diagnosed, it's been brought up by several people over the years that I've exhibited signs of dyscalculia (and also dyslexia, to an extent, but that's beside the point). Luckily, it's not as bad these days and I've learned to manage, at least where basic math is concerned (I certainly don't miss college algebra, that's for sure). Still though, I've managed to do mostly okay with this part, although I recall I got mixed up once or twice while focusing on where I was supposed to run to. There's definitely more brutal parts of this fight, especially if you're a caster.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

The only DPS check is after the math, with the add phase. If you don't kill those fast enough to be able to escape, he wipes anyone still in the portal. If most of the group survives the math phase and a few people have the success buff, it's not a hard check. Woe be if half your group is dead, though.

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Yup...my party wiped there last night. Most of us DPS had died a few times by that point too(actually, almost the entire party had died 3+ times to MB).

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

my last group fought him for 20+ mins so I do not believe (in god) there is any sort of DPS check.

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No, what I meant was you don't stop DPSing while he does the math stuff, unless you are melee and the circle prevents it.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

when did everyone become such jerks? It's not the math, its the fact that you're asking people to DPS as well as do math with a moderate time limit. People also don't get that you are supposed to stand in one instead of tap it and keep adding numbers, as well as that you only add them, since the boss uses subtract and multiply. Some don't look at their HP because it's still at full and they miss the downgrading. People get it when you explain it, but its a bit annoying to see all the "durrr hurr stupid people" over an unusual mechanic the first week of the raid. And yes, i can do it fine.

I hope Yoshi adds this to savage with three digit totals and single digit primes as the pools you have to tap. Be forgiving of other people, don't crow over it, yeesh

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I flipped out on my guild for this behavior as well. It's FOUR DAYS since the patch and I swear our spoilers channel was nothing but a circle jerk of people talking about how awesome they are and how much everyone else sucks because they don't have this 100% perfect by day 1. Like, what is wrong with you people?

Ironically I'm a programmer and luckily one of the people this comes easy to. It doesn't come easily to everyone and there's nothing at all wrong with that.

calm down people. There's a LOT going on in this mechanic.

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I flipped out on my guild for this behavior as well. It's FOUR DAYS since the patch and I swear our spoilers channel was nothing but a circle jerk of people talking about how awesome they are and how much everyone else sucks because they don't have this 100% perfect by day 1. Like, what is wrong with you people?

Ironically I'm a programmer and luckily one of the people this comes easy to. It doesn't come easily to everyone and there's nothing at all wrong with that.

calm down people. There's a LOT going on in this mechanic.

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Those people got to get their validation from somewhere. No one else will give it to them xD

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

when did everyone become such jerks? It's not the math, its the fact that you're asking people to DPS as well as do math with a moderate time limit.

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Do they? You don't have to dps while you're figuring out the mechanic. Besides, the 10 seconds of no dps to get the mechanic right is made up by the damage buff that you get.
And even then, the alliance raids aren't like savage fights, with tight dps checks. It's okay to step back on dps to do a mechanic properly.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

People also don't get that you are supposed to stand in one instead of tap it and keep adding numbers, as well as that you only add them, since the boss uses subtract and multiply. Some don't look at their HP because it's still at full and they miss the downgrading. People get it when you explain it, but its a bit annoying to see all the "durrr hurr stupid people" over an unusual mechanic the first week of the raid. And yes, i can do it fine.

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I'll agree that the initial Subtract cast could've been named different to remove some of the confusion (something along the lines of "Initiating Calculations" or something), but the rest can be figured out through trial and error. At first, I thought the debuff indicated the number I had to multiply (which wasn't the case), then I noticed my health being a signal digit, since my debuffs are close enough to my health bar to notice the change. I then noticed that moving into one of the circles increased the single digit by the amount of dots shown, and moving out of it caused that single digit to return to normal.

I just accept death because I cannot math that quickly. I failed math all through high school and only graduated because grade 11 was "remedial" math. I can't add double digit numbers without writing them down. I can't subtract double digits. I can't divide most numbers. I never understood integers or fractions either. I can't tell if 2/3 is bigger than 1/4 and have to always Google it if I'm baking and need to know. Not officially diagnosed with dyscalculia, but the fact that I have trouble telling time, have trouble counting backwards, have difficulty estimating (every morning I have to use my phone's calculator to tell me how much change I should get back at the coffee shop and then I have to spend time counting it out three or four times to ensure that it was correct. Example: coffee and bagel came to $3.87 and I gave them a $20, I have to pull up my calculator to find out I need $16.13 back because I cannot do the subtraction in my head), spend an inordinate amount of time learning any type math concepts, have difficulty remembering place value (I have to write it out and then individually count 'ones, tens, hundreds' and even then I often get it confused), has pretty much convinced all educators I've been in contact with that I very likely have the disorder.

I know I will never be able to successfully handle that mechanic with Construct 7. I've accepted that. I'm good at other things, just not this thing.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

is Dyscalculia a thing? I have trouble with basic math (not THAT basic though) although higher forms of math such as algebra and trig never gave me issues in high school. How would dyscalculia even work?

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It's a thing, but I'd wager maybe 1% of the people blaming it for their botching the mechanic actually have it.

Regardless of what percent of people are diagnosed with dyscalcula, people obviously still struggle with this mechanic for various reasons from not being able to calculate fast enough to not understanding what is even being asked of them. I sincerely doubt people are failing this mech out of laziness or just to troll like I’ve seen some people in game imply. Even if you are not diagnosed with dyscalcula you can still struggle with this mechanic for reasons other than laziness. Also just because one person finds something to be brain dead easy doesn’t mean everyone else has the same experience. People getting all up on their high horses over this is so ridiculous. No one is better than anyone else just because they got the mech down on day 1. People will get more proficient at it over time.