The changes to the glamour dresser in 4.3 have helped move the glamour system towards being something pleasing and intuitive to use, but I think there's still a lot of room of improvement. Here's some of the future changes and improvements I'd like to see to the dresser and glamour system in general.
1. Add an option to suppress glamour notifications in the chat log.
This one should really be a priority, because right now, every time you apply a glamour plate, your chat log is spammed with 10-13 lines of glamours being applied. It's super annoying and super unnecessary. It's particularly bad now that glamour plates can be linked to gear sets, because now the chat spam occurs EVERY time you switch to that set, even if the gear is already glamoured that way!
2. Allow glamour plates to be applied anywhere.
Only being able to apply glamour plates in major cities and hubs is still a bit lame. It's true you don't need to venture out into the zones all that often these days, but it's still just a niggling limitation that shouldn't be there in an ideal system.
3. Allow glamour plates to be edited in more locations.
Personally I'd like it if plates could be edited anywhere except instanced duties, but I'll settle for a glamour dresser furnishing that can be used in player housing.
4. Allow items outside the glamour dresser to be referenced in plates somehow.
One of the more annoying limitations of glamour plates is that they can only use gear that's in the dresser or the armoire. If you are still using gear, you can't include it in a glamour plate. This is a problem, because if you want to use the base appearance of a piece of gear on one job, but apply a glamour to that same piece on another job, you have two choices: manually dispel the glamour each time you switch jobs, or get a duplicate of that piece so you can use one and store the other in the dresser so you can make a second plate.
Additionally, there may be cases where you want to use a piece of gear on one job, but glamour that piece's appearance on a different job. For example, one might want to use the Ironworks fending set on their level 50 Warrior, but glamour its appearance on their level 70 Paladin's gear.
The mass-dispel feature added in 4.3 relieves this issue a little bit, but not enough. To fully solve it, there should be a way to include items outside the dresser in a plate, or otherwise allow an item to be both in the dresser and inventory. Some potential solutions for this are:
A) Allow gear slots in plates to be set as "dispel glamour", so that whenever that glamour plate is applied, any item equipped to a slot set as "dispel glamour" has its pre-existing glamour (if any) dispelled. This is not an ideal solution because it doesn't allow for circumstances where you want to use a gear piece on one job, but glamour its appearance on a different job.
B) Remove the ability to take items out of the glamour dresser. Instead, whenever anything is added to the dresser, it does not add the actual item but instead just a copy/projection. That way the original item remains in your inventory and can be used normally, and the copy inside the dresser can be used in plates. The copy of the item in the dresser stays there even if the original item is lost (vendored, discarded, etc). The ability to take things out of the dresser is removed to prevent item duplication, and naturally any items which are projected into the dresser become bound to the player so that you couldn't just buy expensive gear, put a projected copy in the dresser, then resell it.
C) Allow items in the inventory and armour chest to be referenced in plates. This means that when creating a plate, you can simply include any items in your inventory or armoury chest in the plate. The plate functions normally as long as the character still owns the item. Because this gets around the need to add items to the dresser, there would be a cost of 1 glamour prism for each plate item that is outside the dresser every time the plate is edited.
D) Make plates separate from normal glamours, and allow plates to be "turned on/off" freely. Right now applying a plate simply overwrites any existing glamours or appearances of a gear piece. With this change, a plate glamour would be considered separate to a normal glamour, and would not overwrite the original appearance or glamours, instead being overlaid on top. When the plate is "turned off", the underlying appearances of the gear (including any normal glamours) would show instead.
5. Increase the number of glamour plates.
10 really isn't enough. There should be at least 26 so there's one for every class and job in the game, but ideally there should be enough plates that you could only reach the limit by intentionally trying to. 50 would be good, and 100 would be sufficient.
6. Increase the number of dresser slots
200 is a reasonable amount only if you have specific outfits in mind. If you want to make efficient use of your limited space, you have to first come up with an outfit, go and collect the pieces for it, and then add those pieces to the dresser and make a plate. If you just add anything you think looks good, anything which you might want to use in the future, you'll quickly run out of room because there are thousands of nice gear pieces in the game. Because of this, you end up having to throw out gear if you don't have anything in mind for it, even if you think it looks good. This is frustrating because some gear is really hard to get again if you later decide you do have an idea for it.
I would really like to be able to use the glamour dresser as a "catalog", where I could just put in any gear I think looks nice, and then come back to it later and come up with outfits based on all the pieces I've collected. But to do this you'd want to have a lot more appearances than what you can currently store.
Ideally the glamour dresser space would simply be unlimited, and you wouldn't actually even have to add items to it, it would just automatically log the appearance of any gear you picked up like the transmog system does in WoW now. But I realize this is probably out of reach for the XIV team currently, so I can only request that they increase the space as much as possible.
7. Extend the new squadron glamour UI to retainers and glamour plate editing.
When I tried the new squadron glamour system I thought "why doesn't it work this way for retainers and the player?" The new squad glamour system is great, you can view and select gear pieces from your inventory, glamour dresser and armoire in a way that's way simpler and more intuitive than editing glamour plates, plus you get a nice big full-screen look at the changes instead of the little "try on" window which is cumbersome and feels small even at 200% size. Add in some features to raise/lower visors, sheathe/unsheathe weapons and hide/show hats and you'd have a system that's way better than the current way you edit glamour plates, and a thousand times better than the way you have to change retainer glamours.
8. Make normal dyes unlimited and free.
This is kind of just a personal "wishlist" type change rather than a direct improvement, but I find the current dye system tedious. You basically have two choices: either decide what dyes you want in advance and go out of your way to buy or craft those dyes in the exact amounts, OR you have to just carry around all kinds of dyes just in case you want to use one, which takes up valuable inventory space.
Both of these options are annoying, and regular, non-rare dyes are neither expensive nor hard to craft, so I don't see why we can't just get rid of them and make everyone's lives much easier. Remove regular dyes as items (the special rare dyes such as metallics and pastels should remain limited items), and instead give free, permanent access to all of those colours just by opening the "dye" interface. No more wasting time with junkmongers, market boards, or pigments, no more inventory space clogged up by pots of dye.
An alternative to this would be to have dyes separate from the inventory like currencies.
4.3 Glamour feedback
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05-24-2018, 05:51 AMPangTong4.3 Glamour system feedback
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06-02-2018, 02:57 AMNiwashiThere's a couple possible ways around this limitation now:Quote:
Originally Posted by PangTong
A) If the item doesn't have materia or other things that would be lost by adding it to the dresser (signatures, spiritbond, materia, and most aetherial bonuses will not be restored), then you can add it to the dresser, set up your glamour plate, and take the item out again to use. This works both for items you want to use on one job and glamour to another, and on items you want to sometimes glamour and other times set to their native appearance (where glamouring it as itself works like dispelling the glamour).
B) If the item has materia or aetherial bonuses you don't want to lose, so option (A) won't work for you, and what you're trying to achieve is an item that's sometimes glamoured and other times has its native appearance, and you're designing these plates for particular classes/jobs, there's another workaround that should work (at least in theory — haven't tested it): Take advantage of the class/job limitation on glamour. If you wear an item that's glamoured as something you cannot equip on your current class/job, then what you see instead is the item's native appearance. So, for example, if you're trying to create a glamour plate for one of your crafting classes, you could assign a DoW-only shirt to the plate, and whenever you apply that plate on a crafting class, you'd see your actual gear instead, the same as you would if you'd dispelled the glamour.
There is a hole that neither of these options cover: if the item is materia-enhanced or aetherial (which rules out A if you don't want to lose that bonus), AND you're trying to use it for one job while glamouring it for another (so can't get away with B's native appearance trick), then you're out of luck. So I do want to see an update that lets us add inventory items to the plates to cover that situation. But in the meantime, these two possibilities should at least cover a lot of the cases where you'd want it.
Really agree with all of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by PangTong
I like your alternative suggestion better than your main one on this point.Quote:
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06-02-2018, 06:00 AMKrojack
It just boggles my mind why you have to be in a city to apply plates. What's the point of even having this system and setting a plate to a gear set when you have to go back to a major city to change gear set and apply the place with it?
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06-02-2018, 05:25 PMSolarra
I've gone back to using the old system for now. The Dresser is ridiculously complicated; instead of giving me a single place to store my glams which I was hoping for, it's added yet another type of storage with it's own rule-set.
I have put things in the dresser, but pre 4.2 there were so many issues I soon stopped using it for anything other than the Gold Saucer challenge, where a lot of the required gear was ugly and not stuff I'd normally give inventory space to.
I hope your suggestions get some attention. I admit the Dresser is better than nothing but it still feels like we are testing a beta version.
I would definitely support moving dyes to something similar to the currency tab as opposed to just giving everyone access to the basics, since that would mean we could put rare dyes in there as well. -
06-03-2018, 02:04 PMBrightamethyst
1 - ABSOLUTE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY! Seriously, this is unbelievably annoying. How on earth did QA ever let it go live? I find it hard to believe the dev team didn't get complaints from every single play tester.
3 - I'm okay with needed a glamour dresser to edit plates, but at the very least there should be housing furniture and a "changing room" or something in the Gold Saucer. It's crazy that the Saucer has a glamour focused event but no way to change glamours around without teleporting to a town and back every time.
5 - By the twelve, YES! More is always better, but there should be at least enough plates to cover every job/class.
Suggestions not listed in the OP:
Let us name and reorder the plates, similar to how gear sets work. -
06-03-2018, 02:14 PMPangTong
Also as an addendum, a couple more things. I tried out the feature which lets you freely glamour stuff using the items in the dresser while you're standing at the dresser. Unfortunately, it only lets you glamour the item you currently have equipped. This is annoying, you should just be able to glamour anything in your inventory or armoury chest. Additionally, you can't glamour directly from the armoire, only the dresser.
Regarding dyes, I'd be fine with just separating them from the inventory, but the main issue with making them like currencies is that it would mean additional work to keep them craftable and tradeable, as there's currently no system in place to craft currencies or trade/sell them between players (except gil). -
06-03-2018, 02:16 PMPangTongThat'd be great too. I guess they didn't feel the need since there's currently so few plates. Making them similar to gear sets would be ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightamethyst
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06-03-2018, 06:10 PMSolarraGood point. I'm assuming by 'basic dyes' you are talking about the crafted, junkmonger and beast tribe ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by PangTong
The biggest problem I can see with just giving these to everyone, is that it would render a lot of gathering nodes useless and cut out a major reward for levelling the ARR Beast-tribes.
However, if they went onto something akin to the currency tab that QoL improvement would be enough to offset those issues for me personally. There wouldn't be any need to craft those dyes or trade them if everyone had unlimited access, so that shouldn't be an issue. There would be a fair bit of work for the devs to do though, as not only would we need a dye-tab but gathering and crafting achievements would need to be adjusted as there would be less items in the logs. On balance, it sounds like a nice idea but I'm not sure it's worth it. -
06-07-2018, 06:32 AMwereotter
Another addition I really wish they'd consider adding in that you didn't cover:
Allow us to register glamor dispellers into slots on the plate.
So say I'm wearing a piece of gear I really like the look of while I'm running as one job, but would rather wear something different on another job that shares the gear, I have no option at the moment apart from carrying glamor dispellers to remove that glamor, and if I want the un-glamored piece dyed, especially if I want it dyed with a rare or expensive dye, I have to apply that dye every time I swap. This could be fixed if we are able to register a glamor dispeller prism to a gear slot, and still register a dye to it. -
06-07-2018, 05:02 PMSotaris
Give.Me.More.Space.
200 is really low for me. -
06-07-2018, 05:17 PMPotatoWafflez
I'd like it if items that you've crafted and gotten the proof of completion in the log were glamour-able from the dresser without having to be stored, because the game knows for certain that you've had the item at some point in time.
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06-12-2018, 04:28 PMkillerVanilla
Agreed, esp. on the glamour-dispeller-as-slot thing. I worked hard to get my current pants for their stats, but also want them for vanity.
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06-18-2018, 02:47 PMKyoji5
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06-23-2018, 01:15 PMSummonerSenah
I'm really in agreement with 6 and 8.
200 spaces is most definitely not enough, especially if you regularly play more than one job. There's so much great glamour gear in this game, and they just keep adding more each patch. I still have two retainers with glamour gear (granted, one of them is just weapons) that I couldn't fit in the dresser. -
07-02-2018, 04:50 AMDarkDedede
I've mentioned this elsewhere, but it would really be great if we could consolidate sets into taking up one dresser slot.
For example, if you want to store every color of the various daisy head pieces, obtaining every color lets you consolidate them all to one slot.
Of course, an increase in the total number of slots would also be great.
Better yet, give us the option to share dresser space with the other alternate characters that we are allowed to have on the same server. I'd unlock glamours on 7 other characters if it meant having access to 1600 dresser slots. -
07-03-2018, 01:09 PMKesey
Call me crazy, but I'd like to see a glamour plate be assigned to a class, as apposed to set of gear. For example if I had one set of end game gear for tank, which could be used on a dark knight and a paladin, i feel like I should be able to swap the class and the look I desire, even though most of the stat armor stays the same.
It feels like we're on the right path with the glamour changes, they just need to take it a step further. -
07-03-2018, 03:08 PMJeykamaMight be missing something you're thinking of, but gearsets are already job-based since a weapon is assigned, and you can assign a glamour plate to them. So you can create two gearsets for PLD and DRK where the only difference is the weapon/soulstone/glamour plate, and it will change job/appearance without changing your armor? Just pull the gearset icons out to your hotbars and it's just a click away.Quote:
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07-03-2018, 06:54 PMBesame
I would like to see hairstyles that can be saved to different job chars like armor. I may want a certain style on my bard but a different one when I switch to my casters ar crafters/gathers, etc.
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07-03-2018, 08:01 PMKesey
yes, this I'm aware of, but the glamour plate imprints or stamps on the gear instead of the job.
Want I'd like to see is each job have its own separate glamour plate that stamps your appearance when you are a specific job, instead of converting the appearance of the gear you're wearing for stats. In this method, when I'm on the fly, I can switch from paladin to dark knight and even though they share the same armor for stats, and instantly have a new look.
Even if SE's nest step is to increase the areas we can apply glamour plates, you still have that added layer of clicking, where you'd swap jobs, then have to reset the glamour plate. If each job had its own separate glamour plate, you would be able to hot bar two classes who may share the same armor for stats, but auto swap the appearance without reapplying another glamour plate after the switch. -
07-04-2018, 12:23 AMNiwashiNot if you assign the glamour plate to the gearset, so that changing gearsets (i.e. switching jobs) does the glamour plate change automatically. (Go to your gear set list, right click on one of them, and there should now be an option for assigning a glamour plate. Do the same for each of your tank jobs, and whenever you switch between Dark Knight and Paladin, your gear's appearance will change, too.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kesey
In order for this to work fully, we'd need as many glamour plates we have classes/jobs, plus we'd need the ability to switch glamour plates anywhere we can change jobs, but what we have so far allows this sort of glamour switching with jobs for a limited selection of jobs (up to 10 of them) so long as you switch in a main city or housing area. -
07-08-2018, 12:42 PMboopadoop
can someone good with words make a suggestion for me? a huuuuge one?
basically, i think we really, really, really need to be able to share certain things across all characters on an account. it's really fcking stupid that by making a new character you have no way to get event clothes that you've obtained on another character. so, last year or the year before's xmas and halloween glamours, for example... if i want them on a new character then i have to buy them off the mog station. and if i paid for something off the mog station that's even more reason why we should be able to access the glamour/emote/mount on all characters on the account??? that's a lot of hecking ? money? what about ppl who have friends on different servers or just really need to start fresh but don't want to lose all those things they've acquired over the yrs? orspentcashoncough.
WoW already has this with pets and mounts the last i played, but idk about glamours/xmog stuff lol it's been a few yrs. but it's a really great feature that really needs to be a thing here. i don't like staring at the same character's booty all the time and leveling alt jobs is also really painful so having alts has its appeal...except, for the massive disappointment when you realize all the things you (may have even worked hard for) will be lost. esp freakin gold saucer mounts lol. like are y'all real. idk how long i've been playing but i still only have the adamantoise.
so...like...at least have a flag somewhere on the account that a character has obtained x/y before whether by mog station or actually earning it in-game during events so that alts can obtain those things? glamours? special mounts? RNG DROPS Q.Q ?
i can't be the only one longing for something like this right?? is no one else bothered that a mog station outfit $12-$18 you can only get on one character and have to pay more if you want on another? or really bummed out that your fave event items/glams are 5ever out of reach on a new character unless it's on the mog station and you have no problem dropping the money to buy those dumb things you alrdy have kinda?
mog station is greeeeaaat for players who never actually got x/y in-game 'cause they missed the event or w/e. but if we have it on our account somewhere...pls
i need someone to at least acknowledge this is seriously uncool & pass the suggestion on
idc how it's done
buy it off a special omniscient vendor for gil/tomes lol
or something like WoW with a page/window/whatever that you can access like an accountwide bank idk
just
somehow
please
consider it
p.s. heck even if it's just making the glamour dresser and armoury chest contents accountwide that'd be super mega freaking hecking cool
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07-10-2018, 10:06 PMGizenshaPersonally i would like if everything was available in game. There isn't really anything great about the Mogstation. :(Quote:
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07-12-2018, 05:39 PMMsQiIt shouldn't be out of reach. Esentually a system that allows you to have every item in the game is just a check list (you have an item or you don't). Since your personal check list would require little more than 1bit per item it might be less data than the current system. Of course that would be a system that doesn't store dye information with each item. Personally I prefer not to have dyes on items and just add them in the plates.Quote:
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09-01-2018, 03:08 PMKyoji5Yeah, I agree there shouldn't be a cap on glamours in the dresser. There should also be like infinite amounts of glamour plates. If that is not feasible than like 5,000 glamour slots and 100 glamour plates, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MsQi
It would also be nice if there was a sort or filter feature to make finding role/job specific gear easier. That could also be applied to the rest of the retainer/inventory system as well.