Other Adventurers

Ok so we know that other players can be our character's adventure friends and that's who npcs tell us to gather. That's not what I'm confused by and want to know if there is an answer to. Going back to the first three dungeons we see other groups get sent to them when we're in that part of the msq. Now we know the fate of two of those groups and outside of Sastasha there are two more groups that have pre and post dungeon clear text bubbles. We get the credit for all three places, but we also don't see any of the other groups. So how did one group die and Edda's group lose their tank? Did they take a different route or something? Also is there a reason why we don't see npc adventures anymore?

Generally speaking there's very little reason for other adventurers to be going through almost any of the dungeons in HW/SB other than us.
I'm not gonna list them all out, but almost every dungeon is either storyline moment specific such as the Vault, Aery, Bardams mettle, Doma castle etc. Or just incredibly dangerous, Sastasha's one thing but I don't imagine there are a ton of npc's strong enough to explore deep into the ruins of Amdapor or the Gubal library.

A lot of dungeons after are spesifically requested to us to go into, so having no other group of adventurers around is understandable. There are some exceptions like Wanderer Palace and Sastasha Hard Mode, but mainly the purpose of showing other adventurers is to show the risk and dangers of the profession.

I recently went through these texts on an alt. So the dungeons before ifirit are just adventurer guild leaders posting the dungeons for anyone to claim where most things after I given to us from the scions or someone specifically with our skills or experience. Seeing as the first 3 dungeons are too much for the average npc adventurer I'm sure they stick to doing leve quests or smaller dungeons we can't be bothered with.

Yet in HW and SB people will say oh you're one of those adventures I've heard of. Do they only hear about us and our friends then? Or are the only capable adventures the 7-23 we drag to 8 and 24 mans just a nod to other people's characters? That and it feels like even the few npc adventures aren't lazy or mean. Like no one greets us in a way that comes off in a "you better not be like the last 3 I asked help from" kind of way.

I think that it can be assumed that there are other NPC adventurers around at every stage of the game, doing odd jobs and exploring dungeons (likely not the same dungeons we do) and whatnot. Our paths don't usually intersect with theirs, and they serve only to prop up "Adventuring" as a well-known career option - a career at which our character happens to excel. We're the best of the best, so it's not unexpected that NPCs may have run into other adventurers that don't measure up to our awesomeness, and prejudge us based on those bad experiences.

There are, of course, places where adventurers are not welcome; Ishgard, for example is isolationist and kept all foreigners out (including adventurers). We were a special exception. I don't believe that any of the NPCs in Ishgard complained about such-and-such adventurers they met.

I really liked seeing signs of other NPC adventurers attempting to conquer the same Realm Reborn main story content as the main player, it was a nice way to tie in the whole 'adventurer' feel.

Despite the different themes and story-lines of Heavensward and Stormblood I too would like to see at least a few more examples of high level adventurers that have made it far as us.

Maybe even slowly introduce a rival NPC adventurer group that eventually becomes a sideline antagonist, then full on dungeon boss wih appropriate mechanics. I love a good origin story that ends in a battle between two old friends turned enemies.

Yes...I would enjoy the shit out of that shit.

I miss the feal of "we beat everyone other group sent in" (IE: got to end boss 1st & won)... reminds me of how much I loved that 1 mission in the Mass Effect 3 Cidadel DLC, ur "Team" takes 1 set path & u get to see the other 2 teams fighting ppl as u go along, u can also help... wait that would be a fun mechanic while fighting trash mobs (Tank & healer hold/kill light easy trash mobs while DPS man cannons to "help" NPC's fight stuff, I mean I hate "NPC guard duty" but it would at lest be semi-new)

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Ok so we know that other players can be our character's adventure friends and that's who npcs tell us to gather. That's not what I'm confused by and want to know if there is an answer to. Going back to the first three dungeons we see other groups get sent to them when we're in that part of the msq. Now we know the fate of two of those groups and outside of Sastasha there are two more groups that have pre and post dungeon clear text bubbles. We get the credit for all three places, but we also don't see any of the other groups. So how did one group die and Edda's group lose their tank? Did they take a different route or something?
Also is there a reason why we don't see npc adventures anymore?

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Avare (Edda's fiance) died because he was too cocky and pig-headed as a tank (he would rush ahead with early pulls out of range of Edda's Cure spells, and ended up being decapitated by a monster, which the rest of his party just blamed poor Edda the healer for - sound familiar? It's a take-that against players being too sure of themselves and blaming each other when things go pear-shaped).

As for the other two 'npc groups' you met there, one group later perished in Tam-Tara Deepcroft (ironically you can actually encounter them in Palace of the Dead - evidently their souls have not found rest as a result) where as the other, a two-person partnership of two elezen adventurers (an elderly male GLA and his younger female ARC friend), actually end up retiring from adventuring outside Copperbell Mines (unfortunately their names elude me I'm sorry).

Much later they return when they are recruited for the Steps of Faith battle, along with a number of other adventurers (ironically, most of these npcs that appear in the cutscenes after this fight, were originally player characters, they were winners of a competition SE ran a few years ago where your character could be added in a story cutscene as a npc. ;)), and end up joining the Scions later in Heavensward, where they can be found in the Rising Stones.

Adventurer NPCs do show up throughout the story - the Waking Sands (and later the Rising Stones) are full of them (because the Scions recruited mostly adventurers into their ranks, whether they have the Echo or not - most do not). Also it should go without saying that most of the NPC patrons of the three Adventurer's Guilds are adventurers, naturally.

And a final footnote to Edda and Avare is when you first unlock Sastasha HM, fittingly there is another NPC party there outside the entrance which are basically a pallette swap of Edda's old party, right down to their classes and gear (male highlander hyur GLA in red, rather than blue, armour, female woodwight elezen ARC, female midlander hyur CNJ and plainsfolk lalafell male THM), and they even remark how things seem familar for some reason and that he has a bad feeling about this mission, that he hopes he "doesn't lose his head." Tempting fate me thinks. :p

So npc adventurers do show up throughout the game, you just have to keep your eyes open and really read the dialogue and take note of your surroundings. :)

I'm surprised no one has brought up the HW armorer quests, as that was all about creating armor for an adventuring party. You help them out after they save another member of the armorer's guild who almost gets killed by a rat while learning to adventure.

My question though was more in the SB carpenter quests, how am I building furniture for an NPC adventurer in Lavender Beds? He'd better be in the Lilly Hills apartments.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

As for the other two 'npc groups' you met there, one group later perished in Tam-Tara Deepcroft (ironically you can actually encounter them in Palace of the Dead - evidently their souls have not found rest as a result)

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Small correction. They died in Copperbell Mines. Another thinly veiled comment about people rushing in without thinking.

You see other adventurers at the beginning of Wanderer's Palace, and then again in the Endless Rise getting attacked by tonberry stalkers. (Not sure if it's meant to be the same people both times, or if there are multiple parties, but you meet the one couple afterwards in the hard mode unlock quest.)

You encounter tomb raiders in Qarn hard mode, and they're the ones who set off the traps and endangered the researchers you were sent in to find.

There are also adventurers out in the field at Mor Dhona, particularly as FATE NPCs fighting monsters.


It seems to me that a lot of "adventurer's jobs" are more the stuff we do in the overworld - defeat monsters that are a danger to villagers, fulfil guildleve requests, do odd jobs and deliveries for some extra gil and possibly food. We've just been drawn into this bigger conflict that's far above and beyond what the average adventurer would (or could) be doing.

To me it's just sad that we haven't really seen them in the newer areas. Even if they're an npc like the carbuncles where they pop up do their thing and then just vanish until next time. Like could you imagine a not as bright adventurer or a selfish one had done the quest dealing with the merchant that wanted to set up shop on the Steppe? They could have gotten that guy dead or worse. This makes me want more postmoogle quests where maybe we do get a glimpse to see how it is for someone who started out like us but isn't us in one.

The idea of "Adventurers" started out as an Eorzean idea. There's not a lot of good reasons for the Far East to be familiar with Adventurers as a career title until we show up there.

"Adventurers" was Eorzea's way of dealing with all the people they recruited to fight against the XIVth Legion when it took over Gyr Abania the first time. Only, the XIVth Legion didn't try to take over the rest of Eorzea and built Balasaur's Wall which left Eorzea with a huge army and no enemy to fight with it. Rather then fight a hopeless war, the different city states created Adventurer's Guilds that are basically freelance mercenary post that hired the people who were recruited to fight. The city-state have jurisdiction over the Adventurer's Guilds. So basically... Adventurers are what Eorzea came up with to combat ex-army members getting board and resorting to illegal activities to keep themselves employed. Instead of trying to fight against the idea of mercenaries, the city-states institutionalized it.

All that happened around... 20 years before ARR starts. By now it's grown to be a legitimate career, if a (very) risky one.

If you chat with that one guy in the Mol encampment (one of the 'what is this place/what do you do here' NPCs), he tells you he used to be an adventurer. (at least I think it's a guy - I did not look very closely)

The question is...where do the NPC Xaela adventurers adventure?

Good Question. There's only four Au Ra npcs that I know of and one is your enemy in the whm 50-60 quest line. That left their respective homes I mean. The drk trainer, and then a Raen ninja princess and her bodyguard are the other three. Like on the Steppe they know of the outside world, but most don't seem to want to leave it. There seems to be a migration of both Raen and Xaela that we don't know much about.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Good Question. There's only four Au Ra npcs that I know of and one is your enemy in the whm 50-60 quest line. That left their respective homes I mean. The drk trainer, and then a Raen ninja princess and her bodyguard are the other three.

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There is also Yugiri, though, she's not from the Steppe as I recall. At least not directly. There's also the one who is involved with the Alexander storyline. Not sure if she hails from the Steppe or not though, as I've yet to run any of those instances to further that story.

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Originally Posted by shoobiedoobie

There is also Yugiri, though, she's not from the Steppe as I recall. At least not directly. There's also the one who is involved with the Alexander storyline. Not sure if she hails from the Steppe or not though, as I've yet to run any of those instances to further that story.

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We...Know where Yugiri is from, though. We met her parents...

The reasons we see Au Ra in Eorzea vary.

Sidurgu from the Dark Knight quests reveal that he and his tribe were from somewhere in Othard. They migrated to Eorzea when he was a child to escape some kind of fighting that was more then the norm (probably the Garlean Invasion). Unfortunately, they ended up in Ishgard where they were thought to be dragons... Alaqa from the White Mage quests has a similar backstory, although in her case, she actively spreads Taint to create zombies.

Yuki is a Hingan Ninja princess who is searching for her clan's treasures. The treasures were stolen from the clan and once she finds them, she heads back to Hingashi. Yugri specifically came to Eorzea to find a place for the Domans to go. Once Doma is liberated they all go back to Doma.

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Originally Posted by shoobiedoobie

There is also Yugiri, though, she's not from the Steppe as I recall. At least not directly. There's also the one who is involved with the Alexander storyline. Not sure if she hails from the Steppe or not though, as I've yet to run any of those instances to further that story.

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Yugiri is a Raen (light-scaled) Au Ra though, and only the Xaela (dark-scaled) Au Ra are from the Steppe.

The lorebook says that the Raen have "fully assimilated to the cultures of Doma and Hingashi" but it's possible they originated in the undersea kingdom that we visit in the Shisui questline.

Meanwhile if I remember correctly, Mide from the Alexander quests was from the Hotgo tribe? The lorebook has a list of Xaela tribes and says that the Hotgo were "recently massacred by the Dotharl [and] the only members surviving are those who left the tribe to travel on their own and were not present during the killing". That could be a vague reference to Mide and her companions and that only they survived, but it's also possible that there are others and it's normal for some tribe members to leave and travel elsewhere.


There are a couple of other Au Ra around elsewhere in Eorzea. From memory, there's one at the Wolves' Den pier, and in Idyllshire there's Seika (a Raen) at the gear augmentation stall and Adkiragh (who insists he is specifically definitely not an Adarkim Xaela) in the same building as Zhloe Aliapoh.

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Originally Posted by CainCrimson

Maybe even slowly introduce a rival NPC adventurer group that eventually becomes a sideline antagonist, then full on dungeon boss wih appropriate mechanics. I love a good origin story that ends in a battle between two old friends turned enemies.

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I was thinking exactly that while reading the posts. It could be a nifty way to breath new life to old dungeons. You get a rival and their party who claims they can do better than you. Maybe it's called rival roulette where you have to race to complete the dungeon before the rival party for a bonus and better rewards? :D It could introduce proper speed runs for old dungeons!

i really like the interaction between our char with hoary boulder back in rising stone (together with his friend coultenet too), at that time i though iam going to get another important npc or something like that but nope, they actually just there for the "another adventurer" npc, which i actually find it amazing because it just to show that we are not "the one" of sort and on top of that, hoary as opponent is actually pretty hard if you are not careful so its also another to show that we are not exactly superhuman from the others. they are not important npc but not exactly passing by npc either, ever since then i tend to come back to rising stone just to check if they have new dialogue to read because...

for not important npc, they actually has progress to show, back when i met them 1st time, they all wearing level 20ish equipment, now they wear much more grandeur equipment which seems level 50ish of sort, you cant see that kind of progression from a mere NPC in other mmorpg, this kind of stuff usually only apply to important NPC only like alphinaud for example.

then in SB i got even more amazed because of 1 npc, arenvald. this guy is also just "another adventurer" and before SB he like others is just there for the "other adventurers" trope. never in my life in SB this guy actually become a story character and actually play a key role of all things. i expected him to be there when we reclaim the palace because he is also one of the "local" but to actually play a role and actually interact and connected with our story? talk about role upgrade.

and the best part for me is that this guy also has the power of echo THE echo albeit very small compare to our char but he has it, a much much more important npc like alphinaud or his sister didnt get one then suddenly this one npc who i never even notice but already among us since pre HW get the same power as us.

i really wish SE give us more something like this in the future, maybe another focus on hoary and his gang.