tiny female armors!

discuss!

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"Magic force field" is kind of a crappy excuse for skimpy armor tbh...

just wear whatever you want and don't five two craps about what others think.

people just love having something to complain about. wear whatever you like. people gonna be triggered by everything

I need a 'who wore it better' of a catgirl vs. a male roe

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Embrace the magic that is skimpy armor.

Honestly, the only bikini armor in XIV for tanks is the Shisui. The Coliseum gear is DoW, having a lower def. value that tank-only gear. I think they did a great job keeping those the the minium.

I've been in DF where the tank was a large male roe wearing nothing but a leopard print speedo.

Who cares what you wear. Besides ... that old saying in RPGs and Fantasy Art ... "The less armor you wear = the higher AC!"

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Honestly, the only bikini armor in XIV for tanks is the Shisui. The Coliseum gear is DoW, having a lower def. value that tank-only gear. I think they did a great job keeping those the the minium.

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There is craftable versions of the skimpy coliseum gear. Not really keeping it to a minimum when it's available for every job to use. I'm not complaining though, just pointing it out.

I assume thats a glamour?
In that case, your character (gender doesnt matter) is actually wearing their proper heavy armour, but are creating an illusion that they're wearing a bikini, to speak lorewise. So unless you're actually wearing some of thise skimpy clothes, there is nothing to discuss.
Most of the tank-gear is pretty heavy armor, after all - and unlike other games, where girls will get some tiny platebikini while guys get to wear the real thing, FFXIV hands out proper heavy gear to both genders when it comes to tanks, so the gender is kinda irrelevant here...

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

There is craftable versions of the skimpy coliseum gear. Not really keeping it to a minimum when it's available for every job to use. I'm not complaining though, just pointing it out.

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And what's the defensive stats for these? That's the point. Glamouring is magic, making an item look like something else, but behind that magic, the armor is still the one you're actually wearing.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I assume thats a glamour?
In that case, your character (gender doesnt matter) is actually wearing their proper heavy armour, but are creating an illusion that they're wearing a bikini, to speak lorewise. So unless you're actually wearing some of thise skimpy clothes, there is nothing to discuss.
Most of the tank-gear is pretty heavy armor, after all - and unlike other games, where girls will get some tiny platebikini while guys get to wear the real thing, FFXIV hands out proper heavy gear to both genders when it comes to tanks, so the gender is kinda irrelevant here...

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Beat me to it with a better explanation.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

There is craftable versions of the skimpy coliseum gear. Not really keeping it to a minimum when it's available for every job to use. I'm not complaining though, just pointing it out.

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That is glamour-gear though - aka: gear without any stats. So if a tank is truely equipping that, they'll get smacked in the face pretty hard and might aswell be wearing nothing.

If used as glamour on proper gear though it becomes this illusion, as I explained - not only for us but also lore-wise.

The Coliseum gear also kinda belongs in the Coliseum where both men and women fight in that kind of outfit (probably with a lot of oil put onto their bodies) to put on a show.

Honestly though: I feel this thread is probably just provocative bait that we're falling for because its a boring friday evening and raid is yet about to begin (at least thats it for my case).
Wear what you like.
If you need to make up a headcannon for yourself why your character can wear that - make up your headcannon.
Whats there to discuss?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I assume thats a glamour?
In that case, your character (gender doesnt matter) is actually wearing their proper heavy armour, but are creating an illusion that they're wearing a bikini, to speak lorewise. So unless you're actually wearing some of thise skimpy clothes, there is nothing to discuss.
Most of the tank-gear is pretty heavy armor, after all - and unlike other games, where girls will get some tiny platebikini while guys get to wear the real thing, FFXIV hands out proper heavy gear to both genders when it comes to tanks, so the gender is kinda irrelevant here...

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Now explain the Shisui tanking set.

To be honest, personally I'm not fond of the mostly-naked glams on anybody, male or female. But it's none of my business what anybody wears, so eh. No less practical than wearing a giant chocobo head into battle.

That being said, A++ to the fact that we're discussing actual lore reasons it's okay. Whether I like the outfit or not, I don't like people being shamed for what they want to put on their characters.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

Now explain the Shisui tanking set.

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Mystical underwater cloth that attracts metals, and is scented for the monsters to strike it only....yeah it's a stretch, but what you gonna do about it?

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Mystical underwater cloth that attracts metals, and is scented for the monsters to strike it only....yeah it's a stretch, but what you gonna do about it?

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I think it's one of those question that only Koji Fox can answer (and make him sweat a little). I can't find any lore related reason why they look like that and also have tanky stats.

Realistically we shouldn't be able to take hits in revealing armor. Realistically we also shouldn't be able to swim, dive, backflip or run endlessly in full plate gear. When you consider that every piece of gear in game is actually weightless it matters little which body parts they cover (or don't).

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

And what's the defensive stats for these? That's the point. Glamouring is magic, making an item look like something else, but behind that magic, the armor is still the one you're actually wearing

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I don't think the OP really clarified what type of armor they were talking about. If we're going for looks (glamours), my point still stands. Otherwise I have no idea where the OP expects this to go.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

Now explain the Shisui tanking set.

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Well, my personal explantion would be: We're getting this set out of a chest in a temple that belongs to people that are living in a bubble underwater because they dont care for war. So they're not people in need of plate armour and the clothes they keep in the temple are more for rituals and the like anyways.
When we bust in the casters are like "Oooh, nice, this is perfect! Has been used for rituals, filled with magic power!"
The bard goes: "Well, the colour is ugly, but its light, I can move around in this. Bought."
Melees are looking over to their tank being like: "We wont get hit anyways, right? And the bard has a point - we can move freely in this!"

While the tank stares into the chest and goes "...yeah... no one really thought about me here, eh? Okay, I'll take whats left and just..."
"...wear it at the beach only!" the healer cries out...

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I don't think the OP really clarified what type of armor they were talking about. If we're going for looks (glamours), my point still stands. Otherwise I have no idea where the OP expects this to go.

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I think the point is: Using magic as an excuse for everything that doesn't follow logic.

However, I find a difference between a bikini set that provides proper defensive stats because of magic and using a true piece of gear (plated, chainmail, whatever) that is disguised as another item (glamouring). In the later, the gear retains its original properties but it looks different. The exposure is not "real". If you touch it, you'd feel the metal pieces regardless or at least that's how I imagine it. Glamouring is also "lore friendly", as the crystals provide an explanation of how they work.

If I have to share my opinion... Personally, I am not a huge fan of skimpy armor at all. I don't care if others use it, but I personally won't because it feels stupid. Using "magic" as a excuse for their fanservice is the same line of reasoning of using child-like "loli" characters and excuse yourself saying "oh but they are 9999 years old", in other MMOs. I just... doesn't work for me. But that's how I perceive it, people are free to do whatever they want.

Actually, it used to be a thing where men were relatively skimpily dressed too. Conan of Cimmeria goes barechested, with leather boots and loincloth. John Carter of Mars wears less, and depending who draws Elric of Melnibone, he is often wearing not much either. Trazan of the Apes as well. A lot of the "naked fantasy" look is from artists like Frank Frazetta, Julie Bell, and Boris Vallejo. It's just generally that it seems to have fallen out of fashion from the late seventies.

if you want a humorous example, go watch a clip of the old fantasy movie Zardoz. You can see the esteemed Sean Connery in a one piece man swimsuit, with thigh-highs and a mustache. It's funny now, but that actually was typical fantasy/sf house style for artwork at the time.

Is there really any controversy here? There are so many glams in this game, you can completely cover yourself or make yourself naked. It's really up to the user. And are we really going to debate lore reasons why a glam armour set protects the wearer?

This breaks my immersion. Only catboys should be tanking in tiny clothes for entirely legitimate lore reasons that I can't articulate but that I'm sure are absolutely real. :D

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Honestly, the only bikini armor in XIV for tanks is the Shisui. The Coliseum gear is DoW, having a lower def. value that tank-only gear. I think they did a great job keeping those the the minium.

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The Shisui is not bikini armor, it has arms and legs and a skirt. It still doesn't cover the important areas.

https://i.imgur.com/aDmI1bf.png

(Healer gear, fending gear is basically the same but covers less)

Given it's also not "sexy boobsock armor", it's at least cute compared to the coliseum gear which is basically a tiny bikini with a hood.

The fact that you can actually glamor a bikini over most gear in the game also makes the argument moot.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Given it's also not "sexy boobsock armor", it's at least cute compared to the coliseum gear which is basically a tiny bikini with a hood.

The fact that you can actually glamor a bikini over most gear in the game also makes the argument moot.

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As I explained: The Coliseum gear is designed that way because its made for the Coliseum, where its not about "looking cute" but to show off muscles and the like for the audience.

I also covered the glamour-part before: Glamour, lorewise, works like glamour gameplaywise. Your character is still wearing the actual gear, but has cast an illusion/magic spell over it that makes it seem they're wearing something different for those looking at it.

Wether you personally like the look of a certain glamour or not is not really up to debate here and comes down to personal taste - "cute" doesnt protect you from monster-attacks (no idea what really actually does when it comes to the Shisui-gear, but I hope you get the point). In most cases what protects you is the armor you're wearing underneath your glamour.

Complaints about the practicality of armor begin to fall apart when you realize no amount of armor would realistically protect you from most of the things you fight in games like this anyway.

For example, I think the dude in full plate is just as fucked as the girl in a cloth bikini when it comes to tanking hits from something as big and powerful as Nidhogg. Unless you think you could survive being hit by a speeding freight train just because you put yourself in a soup can, but I’m certain that physics would vehemently disagree with you.

Let's not forget that we can fall/jump from amazing heights and land without breaking a thing in some dungeons xD

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Realistically we shouldn't be able to take hits in revealing armor. Realistically we also shouldn't be able to swim, dive, backflip or run endlessly in full plate gear. When you consider that every piece of gear in game is actually weightless it matters little which body parts they cover (or don't).

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Actually you can run, cartwheel, somersault, and run in full speed in platemail. It's not much less maneuverable than being unarmored. Look up Mobility in medieval plate armor for examples.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

If I have to share my opinion... Personally, I am not a huge fan of skimpy armor at all. I don't care if others use it, but I personally won't because it feels stupid. Using "magic" as a excuse for their fanservice is the same line of reasoning of using child-like "loli" characters and excuse yourself saying "oh but they are 9999 years old", in other MMOs. I just... doesn't work for me. But that's how I perceive it, people are free to do whatever they want.

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Some MMO's know their audience. If a game is marketed using boobsock sexy-armor, then the target audience is teen males.

For all the gear there is in FFXIV, I'm glad it's nothing like B&S or Tera's where the majority of all the non-chibi races gear tilts so far towards sexy that it's a joke.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Wether you personally like the look of a certain glamour or not is not really up to debate here and comes down to personal taste - "cute" doesnt protect you from monster-attacks (no idea what really actually does when it comes to the Shisui-gear, but I hope you get the point). In most cases what protects you is the armor you're wearing underneath your glamour.

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If you personally like the look of a gear or glamor determines if you will go through the effort of finding all the pieces to the set or mix-and-match. Personally I found the Shisui level 63 gear to be cute and after I out-geared it I glamoured it to the other gear. But for the most part it was the same stats as ilevel 270 level 60 augmented shire gear.

The fact that the Shisui gear at least looks like it was derived from a swimsuit should not be lost on people since you get it from the Shisui of the Violet Tides dungeon which is at the bottom of the Ruby Sea.

I guess you all are bored today. Me too!

I blame Elmore for a lot of the bikini armor out there. He wasn't the first; but, he's the artist whose fantasy art was featured most in AD&D and other games. So, ladies wearing their skimpy armor while the men fought in heavy armor without helmets has grown into an expected trope in MMOs.

But..

All that really doesn't matter because it's a game, and people get to choose whatever their gear looks like. It's no biggie.

In fact, that OP's suggestion is clever and got a smile from me. Sivvy's posted gif was funny too.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

If you personally like the look of a gear or glamor determines if you will go through the effort of finding all the pieces to the set or mix-and-match. Personally I found the Shisui level 63 gear to be cute and after I out-geared it I glamoured it to the other gear. But for the most part it was the same stats as ilevel 270 level 60 augmented shire gear.

The fact that the Shisui gear at least looks like it was derived from a swimsuit should not be lost on people since you get it from the Shisui of the Violet Tides dungeon which is at the bottom of the Ruby Sea.

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I'm not sure if we're getting each others points - why is it so important to you to point out that the Shisui Set isnt actual swimwear but at least looks like it? Or that you personally liked it - no judgment here, liked the caster one myself.
I'm just not sure what point you're trying to make when all I've been saying is: as soon as you use something as glamour-piece it becomes irrelevant how well that would protect you, since its the actual armor thats doing the job - both lore- and gameplaywise.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I'm not sure if we're getting each others points - why is it so important to you to point out that the Shisui Set isnt actual swimwear but at least looks like it? Or that you personally liked it - no judgment here, liked the caster one myself.
I'm just not sure what point you're trying to make when all I've been saying is: as soon as you use something as glamour-piece it becomes irrelevant how well that would protect you, since its the actual armor thats doing the job - both lore- and gameplaywise.

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The Shisui gear is a full left and right gear set. It's not a "bikini" or swim trunks. The gear is quite literately what the Ruby Princess (mid boss) is wearing in the Shisui of the Violet Tides dungeon and in the cutscenes.

I don't know, maybe you're reading more into this than I am. I feel that people who get upset over "boobsock chainmail bikini armor" rightfully are getting upset over the fact that most, if not -all- armor in other games is designed to make the one gender look ridiculous, while equivalent gear for the other gender look like a sardine can. In FFXIV, all the gear, even this Shisui set is gender-neutral, even though it looks rather silly on the big dudes.

Does any of this matter when boss's throw things like Ki blast, pulse cannons, comets, and just general magic at you anyway?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Most of the tank-gear is pretty heavy armor, after all - and unlike other games, where girls will get some tiny platebikini while guys get to wear the real thing, FFXIV hands out proper heavy gear to both genders when it comes to tanks, so the gender is kinda irrelevant here...

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Tank gear, mostly yes, other than the 'skirt' items that lose the padded trousers underneath when equipped to female characters.

Other gear.... well, female members of the Ishgardian dragoons would like a word about that.

How to explain skimpy tanks:
1. Nen user
2. Phenominal Cosmic Power, Ity Bity Living Space
3. Kill la Kill reject with boats for shoes (I dare someone to get the reference)
4. Kill la Kill
5. psychic powers
6. Wearing something so skimpy, the opposition is unable to strike a blow from gawking at you

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I'm not sure if we're getting each others points

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They do that a lot, i doono what it is, but no they did not understand your point, and it is common they reply to something then go so off tangent .. you just stare and go whaaa?

Rule of most anime... Less a woman wears the more dangerous and powerful they are. Beware female characters attacking while totally nude >.>

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Other gear.... well, female members of the Ishgardian dragoons would like a word about that.

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Yeah, tha female Dragoon AF is a somewhat weird choice - I always explained it to myself by linking it to traditional dragon-lore: The reason dragons are hoarding treasures and are sleeping on them is that they're bellys are actually pretty vulnerable because tehy're not covered in thick scales. So they're laying on all those gems and pieces of gold, that are working their way into their skin, get stuck in it and create an armor - at least thats "traditional" dragon-lore, doesnt has to hold true for this game. So I always figured the uncovered belly of female dragoons was a reference to that...

Doesnt make it less stupid, obviously - thats why I call it an "explantion" not an "excuse".
The real reason is probably that someone thought "Hey, that would look better/sexier, lets do that!". I will ignore that and hold on to my explantion though...

I'm glad that XIV is largely exempt from making outfits arbitrarily more revealing on females then males.

The DRG AF's exposed midriff and the lack of an undershirt on a handful of other pieces like the BRD AF and Scylla chest pieces are about the extent of it.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm glad that XIV is largely exempt from making outfits arbitrarily more revealing on females then males.

The DRG AF's exposed midriff and the lack of an undershirt on a handful of other pieces like the BRD AF and Scylla chest pieces are about the extent of it.

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DRG AF 1 was a mistake and i hope it's one that will not be repeated for AF lore themed sets. I am not opposed to reveling armor for females however, as long as the same items can be used for males. While i'll never wear the bunny outfit on my main character, others should have the option to do so. Still waiting on a corset for my female alts.

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I don't think it really matters. I never cared for practical looking armors personally. In a game with magic and dragons, is realism even a relevant point of criticism.