Is it okay to use another player's character 'fantasia' as your own without asking?

Something I have wondered for the longest time, how does the community feel about other people using someone else's character fantasia? Is it wrong? Is it thief?

I'm sure we have all been there where we met a clone that could pass off as our twin brother or sister, or have even seen a character we liked so much we wanted to borrow features from them.

So my question is simple, what are your opinions on players wanting to use someone else's fantasia without asking?

https://www.strawpoll.me/15490981

What are you asking? How does one even use someone else fantasia? even if we account for logging in their account it is not tradable.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

What are you asking? How does one even use someone else fantasia? even if we account for logging in their account it is not tradable.

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What they mean is seeing someone with a look they like then using that same look for thier character. They don't mean actually using someone else's Fantasia vial.

I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

What they mean is seeing someone with a look they like then using that same look for thier character. They don't mean actually using someone else's Fantasia vial.

I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

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I mean this. Say you see someone's character you like, and go "OMG they look so good" then log out to recreate them for yourself to use.

Can't copy perfection.

Seeing as no one actually owns their looks or style in the game shouldn't matter what you change your character to. Change to whatever looks you want nothing is stopping you if you want to.

I... really don't know.. i guess it depends if i get along with the person or not (could be doing it for troll)
on the other hand could be flattery

I've had that happen to me and I personally didn't like it. It can also be a form of impersonation, which isn't cool with me.

As long as you don't pretend to be the other person, and you don't do it to mock/harass the other person, it's "fine". It's a little lame and unoriginal but not "wrong" in any moral sense.

However, misrepresenting yourself to pose as someone else and harassment are both offenses covered by the rules.

I've had this happen a few times, and I've gotta say it bothers me quite a bit.

The first time I noticed is when I used to post a lot on the Miqo screenshot thread. There was a player who was complimenting my character. Months later, she ends up with a cat pretty close to mine. I did a double-take the first time I saw it. There are some differences in eye color/makeup, but skin tone/features/hair style/color were the same. She's on a different server, so that helps a bit. I did wean myself off of posting there as a result.

Another time I had recently come back from a short break and returned to a friend looking like my twin (same Miqo style as above). I asked him about it, and he said that he thought it would be fine to steal my look (his words) since I was on a break.

Most recently, I had an Au Ra that my friend really liked (also happens to be my absolute favorite). He ended up making an alt that looks pretty darn close and has been playing it almost non-stop. Constantly goes on about how they looove this Au Ra, ran around naked, etc. I fantasia'd to this Lala shortly after that. :X

I mean, I get it. Options are pretty damn limited, but I still feel like I've managed to make characters that are different enough in their own ways, and it kinda sucks when someone comes out and blatantly clones you. The forum user gave it their own spin, so it was more just taking inspiration I suppose. My friends though....that was lame.

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

I honestly wouldn't care so long as they don't pretend to be me. If you play any of the popular races, there's a good chance you have a clone or semi-clone running around somewhere anyway (even though I can't remember ever meeting one of my own).

Remember, imitation is the highest form of flattery.
There's little to no reason to be offended.

Edit: lol Zojha you beat me to it.

I think some looks will end up pretty similar inherently as our character creation is so limited, especially if you use one of the "popular faces", but willfully making an exact copy of someone else is kinda weird.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

I've had that happen to me and I personally didn't like it. It can also be a form of impersonation, which isn't cool with me.

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I think you could only class it as impersonation if they copy both your character look and glammed gear.

I think it is fine to some extent. I have seen male miqotes in the past that looked close to my (male miqo look, currently fem au ra with same look) look and I've always thought it was kind of funny. However if I came across someone that looked exactly like I do, I am not sure how I would feel. Thankfully it hasn't happened yet in game. However one time I came across a Male Lala with pretty much same look on lodestone before, was probably just coincidence though and they aren't on my server.

Oh yeah forgot to say, that my character isn't at all that unique, so it is inevitable that I come across someone that looks like me. I'd be more bothered, if they used their look to harass me or pretended to be me.

Given the extremely limited CC, it's bound to happen regardless. Personally, I'd only be bothered by it if they pretended to be me.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Given the extremely limited CC, it's bound to happen regardless. Personally, I'd only be bothered by it if they pretended to be me.

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Have to agree with this. I mean you could spend weeks playing in character creation to make something unique, and still find a twin the moment you log in. Happened to me.

So to be honest I think it's kind of silly to be mad over the idea. I mean, how would you feel if someone came up to you and raged that you copied their character? Because there are those out there that will claim you did even if you never looked at a reference or used another player's looks as inspiration. Lose/lose situation either way if you actually worry about it.

Long post short: I think it's fine. Just don't be a jerk about it to the people you used as inspiration, as some posts have mentioned.

I'd find it tacky if they actually copied a friend or another FC member otherwise I'd say go for it if you like the look.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

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Well, most of this is straight creepiness. Though, I wouldn't mind if they copy my character. I must admit it really isn't that hard -.- I'm happy with my generic Au Ra.

There was one situation, however, where I copied someone's look. My retainer's look. I was messing around with a retainer fantasia and ended up creating a character that I liked more than my character. So I swapped appareances. No ragrets.

Its perfectly okay to copy someone else's character appearance. There's probably a 1% chance they'll get it 100% perfect anyway, so there will be small differences, such as color tones. With the character creation already being limited as it is, you're bound to run into someone sooner or later who has nearly the exact same avatar.

I would choose 1 or 2 aspects you really like about their look and use those and change the others. Use your imagination and don't let your identity depend on other people.

So. Can I steal people’s Fantasias? Or do you mean “What do you think when you meet someone who looks like you”?

If someone looks like me I mostly blame the character creator for only having four face options to choose from. And then not having many options to customize them.

Now if that someone used to look different and basically turned into me the next day. I would honestly be flattered.

If they get offended because you liked the same look...they might need to chill out a bit. If you tried to imitate their name as well...that would probably get you in trouble.

I'd only get bugged if they pretended to be me.

Admittedly my own character is based off an NPC in the Rogue/Thief guild/questline. Personally, though, I almost never see characters beyond their hair, skin tone, and glamour. I’m never really going around in first person or zooming in on any of the finer details you can use, which only makes the clone thing more prolific for me.

I prefer to differentiate myself from others by a combination of my character, glamour, name, and how I conduct myself around others.

Someone changes their looks to look like you oh well their name will still be the same since you can't have the same name so even if someone tried to impersonate you i.e. changing their physical appearance you look like you and so forth, others would know it's not you because their name obviously would be different. just saying.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I'd only get bugged if they pretended to be me.

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Same.

Though being a twin in real life, I'm very much accustomed to their being someone else out there that looks exactly like me as it is.

So yeah, if someone copies my look I'll probably be flattered, but pretending to actually be me is obviously off limits.

I mean.. I wouldn't appreciate it but if you could copy me by just looking at me good on you! I wish I could Fantasia and preview my glamours with it >____<, for this reason I don't even fantasia because I think I'd ruin myself.

On a side note I've twinned before

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Originally Posted by AmurT

90% of male highlanders are clones so I'm probably a bit jaded by this, but I wouldn't care as long as they weren't doing anything malicious. Would I prefer it if people didn't copy my character/glamour, yes, but I'm also not going to let it get to me if they do nor will I stop them if they ask me directly. It's kind of a silly thing to get offended over, really.

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The world needs more sexy highlanders though. =)

I wouldn't care one way or another, so good luck to them. Maybe they'll come up with something I'll copy later.
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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

So my question is simple, what are your opinions on players wanting to use someone else's fantasia without asking?

https://www.strawpoll.me/15490981

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Um... lolwut?

I mean seriously... the character creation tool really doesn't have that many options in this game. The only part of it with good selection is the skin tone - and most of you folks seem to stick to the same narrow band there anyway...

But if you disregard skin tone, with the rest of tools people are going to be bound to copy each other unless they actively try not to... and even then some will be stuck with no option but to repeat what someone else is using...

So I find the entire question a bit absurd.

Never happened to me and personally I wouldn't be to bothered with it because I'm fabulous and if other people wanna copy and be fab then more power to em~

Personally, I don't care, but I can see it as rude if done intentionally without asking.
I had a funny moment where I changed my character's hair color and style after a year and half of playing and same day I bumped at a lala with exact same hair style, color and highlights. I found it amusing lol

I saw a mooncat with solid black eyes, I thought it looked much cooler than my own eye colour so I used my fantasia on it.
That's about the extent of my copying others I think.

lol, it's kind of odd thinking about it. I want people to think my character looks cool, but I don't want them to like it so much the try and copy me :p.

Character creation doesn’t have that many options so it’s bound to happen whether or not someone is intentionally doing it or not. Honestly, everyone who shares the same face and same general skin tone are already pretty close to being clones. You can’t really change facial features within a face preset enough to really make a unique face, and many skin tones probably come out looking about the same once you are in game and not directly comparing tones side by side in the CC.

I feel like I see many characters on a daily basis that look essentially the same. I say just go with whatever design makes you happy to play your character and don’t sweat it.

That said, while I don’t think it’s “wrong” to copy anyone’s look and personally wouldn’t care at all if I saw a clone of my character running around, I feel it would be kind of awkward to Fantasia into the look of a friend/someone you actually see and hang out with in game. If it’s a complete stranger you saw on the fly one day then whatever nothing to worry about.

inspiration is cool, I remember when HW was about to launch and the benchmark was up, I saw posts on how to make the Au Ra umbral ring more "attractive" for certain eye colors; I wasn't creative enough to realize the possibility of such so when I fantasia'd to Au Ra, I based the eye color on that idea.
some stories here about people who straight up tells you they had fantasia'd to look exactly like you is creepy IMHO. I know this is "just a video game" but given that it's an RPG and people do get attached to their character to a certain degree (personally I see it as an extension of my online self), it's like telling the other player you don't put value in self-identity. there is a reason why glamour plays a big part in this game.
apart from that, there's the age-old "poser scam" in MMOs where a new player would pretend to be an alt of another, and would ask to join the guild etc. then eventually this "alt" would have stolen people's stuff. I'd be wary if I know anyone like this.

The actual CC is so limited that the only way to REALLY stand out is by your glamour I feel. It's what you wear that sets you apart from everyone else. and if you're odd like me... no female ava wears baggy anything cause that's not sexy xD so win win? Tho to be serious it's so limited it's more odd when you don't run into a clone.

Honestly with the small amount of faces (and with the Au Ra you even have the horn+ face combination) its not that surprising to even have twins in this game. Heck I saw at least a handful of really similar faces in this forum and mistook them for my character. It might be a bit strange on having a copy but I dont really care much. The only part where it would get a bit strange for me would be them even having the same glamour and/or name. Otherwise it would be fine for me.

I'm a little at fault for this in some respect. Stared as a while skinned Miqo with pink hair but once I began playing the game I noticed that literally every Miqo you come across in this game is almost pale white skinned with pink hair. Once I noticed this I also noticed someone with a darker skin tone and thought their Miqo looked really pretty. So I used my free fantasia changed to a darker skin tone and went with Blue hair and green highlights and overall, it feels pretty unique. Certainly haven't come across many with the same style and even had comments from people about how it's nice to see a Miqo that isn't ghostly white with white or pink hair. Persoally though blue is my favourite colour So you'll see me with blue hair, blue glam riding my blue shiva pony, too much blue? NEVAR! :D

I had a friend blatantly mimick my character design and then would put on furry costumes to events. I post stupid memes of said friend constantly anyway so I didn't care.