MSQ Roulette becoming more toxic

Ever since we're forced to watch all cut scenes I've noticed a large increase in people being rude, racist and generally mean to others and the new people in the party. I'm to the point that I'll be disabling party chat when running MSQ roulette. It makes me think I'm playing WoW again which is pretty sad.

I haven't noticed this yet, most of the time I see people making cutscene related jokes.

Can't say I've noticed this. Then again, I haven't touched MSQ Roulette since that awful forced-cutscene-watching change was made.

I haven't noticed anything like that during my runs, and I do that roulette almost every day. Usually I just crack story-relevant jokes and try and lighten the mood and help everyone enjoy it more, since it's a pretty long slog no matter which dungeon you get. I usually come out the other end with a commendation or three (despite more often than not being a lowly DPS) so I like to think that I'm succeeding in my goal.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Ever since we're forced to watch all cut scenes I've noticed a large increase in people being rude, racist and generally mean to others and the new people in the party. I'm to the point that I'll be disabling party chat when running MSQ roulette. It makes me think I'm playing WoW again which is pretty sad.

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Have never seen any of the things you claim in MSQ.If anything the changes have made the players in MSQ a lot less toxic i have found.Generally i end up having a nice chat with others in it during cut scenes.
If you are experiencing this on a regularly basis it has nothing to do MSQ.It's just quite clear that your data centre of full of toxic players

I haven't noticed this but that's because I haven't touched it since the changes they made. Only real complaints people seem to have is the time vs reward, neither of which are equal with Main Scenario roulette now. To me it sounds like bad luck. Random people will be random.

i've had the opposite- people having fun talking to each other and having fun in chat, and generally leaving the newbies alone or making it more fun for them.

MSQ roulette still exists?

I haven't see any of this.

I rarely if ever see people even type while doing roulette content beside hello at the beginning.

I've seen quite the opposite and I run this every evening. People are laid back and making jokes and having fun.

I still do MSQ roulette frequently since the CS change. So far there's either people entrance greet then silence throughout the run; or happily chatting and drop newbies instructions/reminders where necessary.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

i've had the opposite- people having fun talking to each other and having fun in chat, and generally leaving the newbies alone or making it more fun for them.

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This has been my general experience as well the couple of times I've touched that particular roulette since the changes. May as well joke around since you're stuck with everyone for 30-60 minutes!

I don't run the roulette - but when I've had too on occasion..generally its not an issue.
If people are being that mean and verbally abusive...you should be reporting them.

Trash talking is inevitable..but SE will only let that go so far before they step in.

I wonder if it's not players who didn't read the patch notes and are doing this roulette for the first time since the change. Because by now most people know what's up and either don't queue for it or know exactly what they're in for so the attitudes should be decent.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

I haven't see any of this.

I rarely if ever see people even type while doing roulette content beside hello at the beginning.

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Have you done MSQ roulette lately? It's not like the others. it has a whole lot of forced cutscene watching, which has led to a dramatic increase in chat because what else are you going to do?

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

I've seen quite the opposite and I run this every evening. People are laid back and making jokes and having fun.

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Yeah you pretty much have to be laid back to the point of not caring what others do to still do this roulette.

i think it smells like you are trying to make false claims to make cutscenes skippable because i almost run everyday, and from the comments here, it became less toxic.

I'm running it right now and all people are doing is laughing at Cid and having fun so idk what you're taking about.

I'd say it affects both MSQ and Alliance Raid Roulette. Alliance Raids bring out the some of the worst players in terms of attitude and laziness. Where as MSQ just brings out irritated people. Though I wonder, if those people are so irritated by the MSQ, why run it with the new changes? Are the reward boosts worth it that much? Does it give like an absurd amount of XP or something?

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Originally Posted by SicariusSeven

I'd say it affects both MSQ and Alliance Raid Roulette. Alliance Raids bring out the some of the worst players in terms of attitude and laziness. Where as MSQ just brings out irritated people. Though I wonder, if those people are so irritated by the MSQ, why run it with the new changes? Are the reward boosts worth it that much? Does it give like an absurd amount of XP or something?

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Agreed on MSQ/Raid - but I don't run MSQ...Raid - only if i im willing to invest the time in Rabanste lol

Why do people do it knowing they have to face cut-scenes? Never mind that...why do people COMPLAIN ABOUT IT AFTER KNOWING is my question.
Rewards/bonsues? Not that great honestly.

People have more time to talk so they do. Being forced to do nothing causes it.

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Originally Posted by SicariusSeven

I'd say it affects both MSQ and Alliance Raid Roulette. Alliance Raids bring out the some of the worst players in terms of attitude and laziness. Where as MSQ just brings out irritated people. Though I wonder, if those people are so irritated by the MSQ, why run it with the new changes? Are the reward boosts worth it that much? Does it give like an absurd amount of XP or something?

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The second dungeon (can't remember the name) of MSQ Roulette gave me 4kk exp at level 66 so not to bad if you ask me. Usually eating during it since the fights only last 1-2 mins which isn't a problem when there is a 5+min cutscene afterwards.

I've only run MSQ roulette a couple of times since the changes & I've not experienced toxic behavior at all. Mostly it has just been silence. Not even a simple greeting. The times that there is chat activity it is infrequent & usually comments along the lines of the rewards are not worth the time or the silver lining of being able to do other stuff during the cutscenes.

I cant say I have encountered toxic behaviour either. I don't do it that much anymore as it takes way too long for my liking, but most of time people are just quiet or you might get one or two people just casually chatting.

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Originally Posted by PerrinTaveren

i think it smells like you are trying to make false claims to make cutscenes skippable because i almost run everyday, and from the comments here, it became less toxic.

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This is exactly what they're doing. Or they have only run it once since the changes were made. I've now run this at last 50-60 times since the cutscenes couldn't be skipped and have not seen ONE instance where people were hostile.

I run this roulette almost every day and it's been pretty laidback, if not silent. If people are talking, they're making jokes during the cutscenes and in general being quite friendly. I'm not sure why your runs haven't been the same.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

Have you done MSQ roulette lately? It's not like the others. it has a whole lot of forced cutscene watching, which has led to a dramatic increase in chat because what else are you going to do?

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lvl-ing my magikarp. Or play play Xenoblade Chronicles 2 on the switch.

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Originally Posted by Yuiipuru

I run this roulette almost every day and it's been pretty laidback, if not silent. If people are talking, they're making jokes during the cutscenes and in general being quite friendly. I'm not sure why your runs haven't been the same.

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I almost never run it anymore because forced cut scene but a few times I miss clicked it or help a friend, and I must say It's quite more toxic too.

Before the change you could speed run and be done with it in 20 mins, almost nobody talked and no toxic everybody was just focusing on the speedrun. But now while waiting quite frequently a fight happens, another annoying thing is that sometimes people go afk because those dreadfull cutscenes but they are still afk when the scene is over.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

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This seems to be more of a data center player base issue than an issue with the unskippable cutscenes. Looking from the comments from those who run MSQ roulette regularly in the Aether data center it seems like it's gotten less toxic over all.

I may be rather new to the game compared to people who have been here for years, but in my experience, speed runs are the most toxic because if something sets back the group even a little, someone starts getting upset. The thing about MSQ roulette is that you gotta go in expecting new players- people who have never run this content before, some of which want to watch the cutscenes as they go through the dungeon the way it was intended without getting locked out of fights because someone who got to already see the cutscenes doesn't wanna wait for them. Going into roulette without expecting that you MIGHT get a new player and that you MIGHT not get to speed run it seems like a given to me, unless you have a full premade party going in.

Msq roulette seems less toxic people go in knowing it's not going to be a speed run. The people who think the exp is worth the time and their patience are there ones who queue up and therefore are (generally) more willing to help out newbies. I've seen friendships get made during chats in cutscenes, maybe a banter here and there about cid's hair, but never once in running MSQ roulette (again, almost every day) have I encountered players getting angry or frustrated with one another

I'm also on the Chaos datacentre, ran it a few times (will potentially run it even more, but the forced cutscenes every time can get tiring), but I've seen no toxicity. Either quietness, general rants about the forced cutscenes, people talking about general stuff, etc. No toxic behaviour.

Never had any issues of the sort. Normally it's quite fun and chatty.

Last time I done it a few were watching the cutscenes for the first time (having run it often enough as speedruns) and there were lots of comments of "oh so that's what happened there...I see" "Ahhhh well that makes sense. I always wondered how we end up here" We were even joking about how jarring it can be when someone up ahead in Castrum activates the cutscene for the final boss and you see your character walking through the doors. Only to jump back to the game and your miles away from the doors you just watched yourself walk through. The things you pick up on and have a laugh about. Anyway, point is, no toxic nature. I'd think anyone of that is either trolling or left because it's not like you don't know wat youre getting into.

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Originally Posted by Yuiipuru

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I'm on Chaos (the EU datacenter).

I honestly cannot remember a MSQ run that wasn't speedrun back in the day. Quite frequently there were new sprouts but you don't really need a full group for MSQ anyway. I didn't mind the new sprouts watching the cutscenes, I was able to continue forwards while they watched so no problem there. Sure there were some bad apples in the group back then but now it's just ... every time I ran it it was toxic (I didn't ran it much after the change because no longer able to fly trough it but every single time it was toxic).

I play tank all the time for experts and I speedrun trough them and never ever has there been toxic in my group. And since the update I died 1 times in an expert dungeon (that was my fault actually), but a lot of times I get healers who're new to it or with low gear (the bare minimum) and they all kept me alive without ever failing, and a few times I also explained what the boss died for a few sprouts that actually asked it.
I just used my cool downs on the correct time.

What's it with people witch-hunting and prejudicing players that like to speed run? If you don't want speed runs then maybe ask SE to actually make the roulette challenging so that I'm no longer able to fly trough it?
If you have to kill 5 boars for a quest will you pull and kill one boar at a time or will you just pull 5 use your AoE and kill them all together and be 5 times faster as you would by taking them one on one?
If one boar is a challenge and can kill you then you pull one at a time. It's the same with dungeons.

There have been a lot of sprouts asking me to do more runs with them. Am I still toxic?

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

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You are taking what I said far too personally. I never said people who prefer speed runs were toxic, nor did I say you in particular were toxic; I said that speed runs- in general- are far more prone to bad experiences (to newer players especially)

I am speaking as someone who runs this roulette regularly that- contrary to what the OP is saying- the /majority/ of the msq roulette runs are not at all hostile. It seems like this is the general consensus to those of us who still run this roulette often in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Yuiipuru

This seems to be more of a data center player base issue than an issue with the unskippable cutscenes. Looking from the comments from those who run MSQ roulette regularly in the Aether data center it seems like it's gotten less toxic over all.

I may be rather new to the game compared to people who have been here for years, but in my experience, speed runs are the most toxic because if something sets back the group even a little, someone starts getting upset. The thing about MSQ roulette is that you gotta go in expecting new players- people who have never run this content before, some of which want to watch the cutscenes as they go through the dungeon the way it was intended without getting locked out of fights because someone who got to already see the cutscenes doesn't wanna wait for them. Going into roulette without expecting that you MIGHT get a new player and that you MIGHT not get to speed run it seems like a given to me, unless you have a full premade party going in.

Msq roulette seems less toxic people go in knowing it's not going to be a speed run. The people who think the exp is worth the time and their patience are there ones who queue up and therefore are (generally) more willing to help out newbies. I've seen friendships get made during chats in cutscenes, maybe a banter here and there about cid's hair, but never once in running MSQ roulette (again, almost every day) have I encountered players getting angry or frustrated with one another

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On Primal, people tend to grumble about "omg why can't I skip" at the beginning, but the type of people you get range from "nobody says anything" to a comedy routine
https://i.imgur.com/OvtHnj6.jpg

(context, two players got left behind, and the one making the jokes is one of them)

The few times I have ran the MSQ roulette have been pretty chill and I haven't seen any of the rampant toxicity the OP is mentioning, if anything people are more laid back and make the occasional joke at Cid's expense, or mention what they are watching on Netflix on their other monitor. :p

Edit: to be honest, this is surprising, coming from Aether data center, which can be a little less than friendly at times!

The only "toxicity" I've seen was my co-tank complaining about the location of one of the scenes in Castrum Meridianum. Right at the start before turning off the search lights, they ran straight through to grab all the mobs like normal before the scenes were unskippable. They bit the dust the second the scene was over, but that was the only negative thing that was said, the rest of it was light hearted fun....and about how the lipstick is painted on the helmet of the final boss there...so does toxicity towards NPCs count?

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Originally Posted by Avatre

The only "toxicity" I've seen was my co-tank complaining about the location of one of the scenes in Castrum Meridianum. Right at the start before turning off the search lights, they ran straight through to grab all the mobs like normal before the scenes were unskippable. They bit the dust the second the scene was over, but that was the only negative thing that was said, the rest of it was light hearted fun....and about how the lipstick is painted on the helmet of the final boss there...so does toxicity towards NPCs count?

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It sounds like the OP may have been referring to player toxicity towards each other, but I may be wrong there. (And yeah I totally know the NPC you are referring to, have seen plenty of comments on their makeup skills! :p)

I just don't do MSQ roulette. Problem solved.