Unusual desired slider bar? (NOT buttslider)

It is a bit of an unusual request, and most likely I may be among a minority feeling it, but... I REALLY want a "body fat" slider. Something to add a little pudge to your character. Not so much "look at me, I'm a 500 pound creampuff-looking lalafell", but enough to add a bit of believable pudge to the belly and other areas. Many races look like they haven't ate a meal in decades to me. Not everyone wants to be a buck ten soaking wet, some of us want a bit more realistic, believable body, even in a fantasy world. Thoughts on this?

I kinda feel like this would lead to people fatshaming others in game <.<;

Male/Female bulge slider

Facial sliders. Hip (not butt) slider. More than the super bare minimum sliders we have right now.

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Originally Posted by Mokkabron

Male/Female bulge slider

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Honestly, I'd like to have a system like Aion. You had plenty of sliders, allowing you to create very unique beings. Though, they didn't have as many races as we have so there's that.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Honestly, I'd like to have a system like Aion. You had plenty of sliders, allowing you to create very unique beings. Though, they didn't have as many races as we have so there's that.

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If I recall there were 2 races, then they removed most of the distinctive features of the "demonic" race. It's an interesting system, but it got really silly.

Some more options would be good but I doubt we'll see additional parameters added. If we do I say butt first, then pudge.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

If we do I say butt first, then pudge.

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Pretty much this, or muscle sliders for every race/gender. I support more options period though, so...yeah.

Uhm. Someone who runs around, and does consistent exercise wouldn't really have "pudge". You know what a swimmer or runner body looks like right? Thats what a WoL would look like, most likely. That or a beefcake (see Highlander/Roe).

How would someone who does what the WoL does have any body fat at all?

tbh I wish the muscle sliders actually added bulk. They’re really just tone sliders. You don’t get any bigger with them at 100 vs 0, the shading just becomes more pronounced :c

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Uhm. Someone who runs around, and does consistent exercise wouldn't really have "pudge". You know what a swimmer or runner body looks like right? Thats what a WoL would look like, most likely. That or a beefcake (see Highlander/Roe).

How would someone who does what the WoL does have any body fat at all?

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People like to roleplay, and not every player has their character at peak physical performance.

Also you can gain weight no matter how much you exercise. Sumo wrestlers are wicked strong.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

People like to roleplay, and not every player has their character at peak physical performance.

Also you can gain weight no matter how much you exercise. Sumo wrestlers are wicked strong.

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Sumo wrestlers have a specific diet that allows them to gain body weigh the way they do. If they didn't eat the specific foods that they do they wouldn't gain the weight that they do.

Yes you can gain weight regardless of how much you exercise but it's not more "realistic" than the body types we have now.

Strange a couple of posts had been deleted? All I did was point out that the game was made in Japan where the average weight is fairly low. Maybe it was because I quoted someone.

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I'd just like a bulge for my male toons, a slider would be a luxury.

But I am in favour of more sliders for each race, as long as it's kept within the parameters suited to each race. I'd like the option of beefier midlanders, like the derplander, for example.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I'd just like a bulge for my male toons, a slider would be a luxury.

But I am in favour of more sliders for each race, as long as it's kept within the parameters suited to each race. I'd like the option of beefier midlanders, like the derplander, for example.

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Well, if games like Overwatch and Soul Calibur 6 can at least show masculinity in all its glory then there's no reason why FFXIV can't take steps towards doing the same.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Uhm. Someone who runs around, and does consistent exercise wouldn't really have "pudge". You know what a swimmer or runner body looks like right? Thats what a WoL would look like, most likely. That or a beefcake (see Highlander/Roe).

How would someone who does what the WoL does have any body fat at all?

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Swimmers will tend to store a little more fat than other athletes. So do people who spend more time in cold conditions. Different people's bodies just store fat differently. Body fat isn't a malfunction, though some people might have conditions that make it hard to deal with.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Yes you can gain weight regardless of how much you exercise but it's not more "realistic" than the body types we have now.

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It's not less realistic either. More variety of body types would be more realistic.

Of course realism isn't necessarily the ultimate goal of a fantasy game and there are technical concerns when there is a lot of variety in body shape.

I would like more facial sliders but I also understand some logic to not having them.

We have beautiful 3D models in this game but I highly suspect that if we looked at the wireframe and rigging hidden underneath they would be no more complex than WoW. Maybe even of classic WoW.

Having rebuilt faces with a small set of swappable options means they can get away with lower polygon models and a smaller set of “animation morphs / bones”. That in turn means the game can be faster and require less advanced hardware.

Those of you tuning this game up to ultra settings might be stuck on “middle” or “low” graphics if we had more customization and the people on low would simply be unable to play. Surely the PS3 support would never have existed, and we today might still not have PS4.

It’d be great if I didn’t need to use my imagination.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

It’d be great if I didn’t need to use my imagination.

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Not sure if sarcastic :D

If you really don't want to use you imagination I guess you would be for as much detail as possible.

If you are saying people should just imagine the things they want, then should games even exist? I can just imagine I'm a a cat girl that shoots arrows and magic that lives in Eorzea and there are all these other people and we go on adventures... Why should art even exist?

But one reason people like to have options for character creation/customization is so they can express their imagination in a way that other people can see. So that when people look at your character it looks how you imagine it.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Not sure if sarcastic :D

If you really don't want to use you imagination I guess you would be for as much detail as possible.

If you are saying people should just imagine the things they want, then should games even exist? I can just imagine I'm a a cat girl that shoots arrows and magic that lives in Eorzea and there are all these other people and we go on adventures... Why should art even exist?

But one reason people like to have options for character creation/customization is so they can express their imagination in a way that other people can see. So that when people look at your character it looks how you imagine it.

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No- I was saying-..... I probably should’ve phrased it better. I tend to put on certain pieces of gear so my character looks more pudgy. It’d be great if I didn’t feel like I have to do that. i dunno..

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

No- I was saying-..... I probably should’ve phrased it better. I tend to put on certain pieces of gear so my character looks more pudgy. It’d be great if I didn’t feel like I have to do that. i dunno..

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Oh "There was a third possibility we hadn't even counted upon.." :)

i want a slider wich does NOTHING! :O

oh, wait a moment... i already have that as a female lalafell...

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Uhm. Someone who runs around, and does consistent exercise wouldn't really have "pudge".

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Not necessarily. Have you seen wrestlers? Those are extremely fit people but they do pack some fat.

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Originally Posted by Tint

i want a slider wich does NOTHING! :O

oh, wait a moment... i already have that as a female lalafell...

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Misread that at first, but yeah I think that slider does do a little something. Very little!

Eyebrow angle slider. On one end, Fordola-brows. On the other, you look terrified of life.

I would be interested in a fat slider but I'd also want a muscle slider and no not like the one we have now which is a definition slider. Imagine the type of characters we could make. Pudgy lala waddling about and elezens that aren't all stick figures.

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Originally Posted by AvenoMatt

I would be interested in a fat slider but I'd also want a muscle slider and no not like the one we have now which is a definition slider. Imagine the type of characters we could make. Pudgy lala waddling about and elezens that aren't all stick figures.

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A really buff Lalafell?

I'd like to have tail highlight slider for miqo'tes.
Still frustrated that we only have a small dot at the tip of the tail. :x

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Uhm. Someone who runs around, and does consistent exercise wouldn't really have "pudge". You know what a swimmer or runner body looks like right? Thats what a WoL would look like, most likely. That or a beefcake (see Highlander/Roe).

How would someone who does what the WoL does have any body fat at all?

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This. No one doing what the WoL does has time to put on visible extra pounds.

But we don't have rest periods. We don't have time for bulking phases. We just have near-constant travel and combat.

Edit: I wouldn't be opposed to a body-fat slider if we went from "any bit of customization will implode the servers" to "there are no technical limits to customization; go ham," but I really hope the max and min aren't all that far apart, like from slightly underweight to a bit overweight. I have that same hope for bulge and butt sliders, too, though, so it's not necessarily a general realism concern as it is a relative one -- from "How is the squat guy seemingly with three lalafells in his stomach sprinting as fast as I am?" to "*Looks down.* *Chuckles with pity.*"

I mostly want to see fat pudgy lala cause that just sounds cute but why not buff lala? No reasons lala's can't have some muscle.

Uh, don't we have like enough stuff for RP people already?

I really wouldn't mind this if SE had more staff and more money to give us better and more content updates, but how it's currently going, I don't really like the idea of going even slower because they would need to implement stuff like sliders which is probably going to take a while too knowing SE and the extensive testing they would need to do because somebody sneezing can already crash the servers.

#serverlimitations

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Uhm. Someone who runs around, and does consistent exercise wouldn't really have "pudge". You know what a swimmer or runner body looks like right? Thats what a WoL would look like, most likely. That or a beefcake (see Highlander/Roe).

How would someone who does what the WoL does have any body fat at all?

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We have three foot tall humanesque beings swinging axes and great swords with the same power and speed as seven foot Goliaths of men. Those same Goliaths run at the exact same speed as the three foot little people. People with horns/ears and tails. People with green/purple/red/blue skin.

I understand that the best of fantasy stories are grounded in reality, but the whole "it's not realistic" thing was kind of thrown out the window before 2.0 even started.

Plus different bodies do hold onto fat differently. I've seen more than my fair share of wrestlers and military folks that were perfectly athletic and could perform their duties excellently, yet they maintained some pudge (particularly around the belly/lower belly). Some folks just have permanent pudge. Especially if they're beer drinkers (>__>) Sorry folks: as much ale as gets drank in this game you can bet there would be beer bellies walking around Eorzea.

As for the the slider I'd like to see? Honestly I'd agree with having a "fat" slider and a hip slider. From a perspective on female characters (as a woman), it's incredibly rare to rock C+ breasts yet have a size 0 waist. Some of the models have better limitations to reflect this (like the Au Ra. Even at max their breasts are still proportional to the rest of their bodies, and thus remain pretty small), but several of them look...odd when maxed. Like their backs should be snapping in half (Hello Minfillia!). It's also super rare to have a heavy chest but not have hips. Not even the Roe ladies of this game have hips that actually match their chests. While I'm not a fan of Black Desert Online that was one area they actually did very well: the girls actually looked proportionate to their body builds. My little witch/wizard girl actually had hips and thighs.

Granted that goes against my whole "realism" argument. The characters in this game are all gorgeous as they are, but I do agree if we had some more control over their proportions it would be nice.

Give us a percussion slider so these remixes of old FF tunes can actually sound good.

The bodies of the Hyur and Hyur-with-tails races are realistic. Plenty of people out there with fit, healthy bodies. That said, more character customization in general would be nice, including a body weight slider.

The only slider I want is for ejecting idiots out of my instances.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

This. No one doing what the WoL does has time to put on visible extra pounds.

But we don't have rest periods. We don't have time for bulking phases. We just have near-constant travel and combat.

Edit: I wouldn't be opposed to a body-fat slider if we went from "any bit of customization will implode the servers" to "there are no technical limits to customization; go ham," but I really hope the max and min aren't all that far apart, like from slightly underweight to a bit overweight. I have that same hope for bulge and butt sliders, too, though, so it's not necessarily a general realism concern as it is a relative one -- from "How is the squat guy seemingly with three lalafells in his stomach sprinting as fast as I am?" to "*Looks down.* *Chuckles with pity.*"

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If we are going down this road then why do we have tanks in bikinis? The WoL would be cut to bits. Meh, it would be nice to have differently shaped players