Zenos would make a cool Sith Lord

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Best adversary by far. I like Gaius and Regula well enough, but Zenos' personality and the depth of his character makes him #1 for me. Also yeah, he'd make a good Sith.

Depends on which side of the star wars empire fence you're on. If you value chaos and wanton destruction, Zenos is your man. He's not really here to better the empire's needs, he's just here to do whatever he wants. Luckily for the empire, Zenos wants(and his methods of doing things) just happens to coincide with the empire.

I prefer my sith lords of the Darth Malgus/Marr variety: ruthless but collected, fury always pointed, not spread and most importantly, always working for the betterment of a fully functional and ever advancing empire.

I just don't see what's so great about Zenos. "Hi, I'm Zenos. I'm bored and disgusted with life. Let's fight." This is where I need Nashu with me to fall asleep while he's talking.

What is a Sith lord?

Meh Gaius was a far more interesting villain than Zenos. He had an actual understandable (if wrong) philosophy.

I never liked Zenos either. I always saw him as the boring edgy edgemeister who ended up being his own worst enemy.

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Originally Posted by Sapphire_Dianta

I never liked Zenos either. I always saw him as the boring edgy edgemeister who ended up being his own worst enemy.

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You misspelled Alphinaud.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Meh Gaius was a far more interesting villain than Zenos. He had an actual understandable (if wrong) philosophy.

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I barely even remember Gaius. But to each their own. :-)

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Originally Posted by Lium

I barely even remember Gaius. But to each their own. :-)

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"You could rule the world with your strength and yet you just run around doing fetch quests! Let me lecture you on it for 10 minutes before you have to fight me twice!"

Kind of a funny speech in hindsight considering Zenos is out there murdering everything and he still doesn't really rule the world...

Zenos is a psychotic monster which is why I consider him my favorite villain in FFXIV by far. I like a villain who can really send me running, Zenos fits the bill. His bloodthirsty nature sends shivers down my spine; I was actually shaking when I had to fight him the second time because I was thinking the man was going to kill me even if we have plot armor (HE JUST DOESN'T CARE! @_@).

While Gaius, Regulas, Thordan, etc. thinking they gonna win with their devious plans, we all know what happens to them in the end.

Zenos on the other hand, it's going to take awhile, so we better keep both eyes open and watch our backs..

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

You misspelled Alphinaud.

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Zenos is too "cartoony" of a villain and doesn't actually feel like a real person to me. Giaus on the other hand felt very "alive" and I could understand his motivations. Though anyone is probably better than Kylo Ren at this point in the current abomination of a Star Wars trilogy :/

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

Zenos is too "cartoony" of a villain and doesn't actually feel like a real person to me. Giaus on the other hand felt very "alive" and I could understand his motivations. Though anyone is probably better than Kylo Ren at this point in the current abomination of a Star Wars trilogy :/

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Remind me what Gaius stood for again? That's not snark. I only remember him being manipulated by Lahabrea before getting wiped out quite handily by the WoL (us). I never once feared him.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

Zenos is too "cartoony" of a villain and doesn't actually feel like a real person to me. Giaus on the other hand felt very "alive" and I could understand his motivations. Though anyone is probably better than Kylo Ren at this point in the current abomination of a Star Wars trilogy :/

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What has come out the last three years isnt Star Wars. I refuse to acknowledge it.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Remind me what Gaius stood for again? That's not snark. I only remember him being manipulated by Lahabrea before getting wiped out quite handily by the WoL (us). I never once feared him.

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To my understanding, Gaius was all like, "The people of Eorzea are a bunch of idiots praising these so called "gods" (Yup, the Garleans are atheists). Eikons are dangerous and must be exterminated and we the Garlean Empire shall stop them (more like control them) and survive (take over Eorzea).."

Same @Lium, Gaius didn't scare me one bit.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Remind me what Gaius stood for again? That's not snark. I only remember him being manipulated by Lahabrea before getting wiped out quite handily by the WoL (us). I never once feared him.

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He stood for the betterment of human-kind above all else. If you were to take an unethical and purely objective viewpoint, he's not wrong. Garlean totality would propel the world at large forward at a breakneck pace. Their machinery alone would allow for optimization or resources, transportation, medicine, and science. The extermination of the beast tribes and their primals would protect citizens from internal threats(it doesn't get much more threatening than a mind-control wave). Even should the Garlean Empire collapse or fall into civil war, those countries would still be in a much better place due to the infrastructure that would be put into place.

Of course this is also glossing over genocide, purposeful erasure of cultures, general war horrors, and the Garleans just being general evil dudes.

Also it was pretty natural not to fear him. His entire Legion essentially got dumped by the Empire for their failure of Silvertear Falls, and that's not discounting all of them that died during Project Meteor.

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Originally Posted by DreamAngel-Ren

Same @Lium, Gaius didn't scare me one bit.

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Truth be told, the only villains I can find remotely scary are those that realize that going after the guy with plot armor out his rear is futile and instead go for the NPCs. And even there, with the Scions being our closest associates, there's a high likelihood they'll threaten someone that was on 'my' hit list as well.

Zenos felt a lot like bland fanservice for the guys who wanted to have the WoL taken down a notch to me. I don't quite get the appeal. But I think I have to get the Zenos appeal as much as the Lyse appeal - Namely not at all, since I'm not the target audience.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

He stood for the betterment of human-kind above all else. -snip-

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Also don't forget that sidequest chain in Stormblood! The Empire was developing bioweapons to exterminate the Eorzean population, and Gaius nixed the entire project because he was against the idea of mass genocide. And let's not forget that one of his top men was a Roegadyn, something unheard of amongst the mostly-racist Garleans.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

Of course this is also glossing over genocide, purposeful erasure of cultures, general war horrors, and the Garleans just being general evil dudes.

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It's all slowly starting to come back to me. But this right here is the main issue. Regardless of Gaius' intentions, it doesn't change the fact that he is part of an empire that seeks mass ethnic cleansing. Plus, he was being manipulated by an Ascian.

Also, and this is just personal tastes on my part, I don't like villains who are trying to make the world better by cleansing it. That's boring to me and very cliche. I much prefer villains who are just sick and twisted. Villains who can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Villains that just want to watch the world burn. For no other reason than for the sake of the burning.

Zenos is nothing but a primal to me.. a primal I killed/beat up when the plot actually allowed me too. So he like many others are weak compared to me. The Warrior of Light. There's nothing I fear, nothing in this world that scares me.... except having being qued into AV. Now THAT is scary.

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Originally Posted by ko_

Zenos is nothing but a primal to me.. a primal I killed/beat up when the plot actually allowed me too. So he like many others are weak compared to me. The Warrior of Light. There's nothing I fear, nothing in this world that scares me.... except having being qued into AV. Now THAT is scary.

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32 months into this game, and I still don't understand what makes people just leave AV when they get it in a roulette. Its one of the better dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

32 months into this game, and I still don't understand what makes people just leave AV when they get it in a roulette. Its one of the better dungeons.

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1.0 speedrun PTSD that's become more of a folk myth than any real issue.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

32 months into this game, and I still don't understand what makes people just leave AV when they get it in a roulette. Its one of the better dungeons.

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Even back in 2.X people didn’t drop(if they were dps) as it took like 2 freaking hours to get into before they redid the queue system. So I don’t get it either.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

32 months into this game, and I still don't understand what makes people just leave AV when they get it in a roulette. Its one of the better dungeons.

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I don't mind the dungeon in all honestly... It's the players that leave instantly and cause me to wait for nearly an hour that scares me. It always happen. But my point still stands tho... THAT is way scarier then Zenos could even dream to be :D. Eggman scares me more honestly. - I mean he did blow up the planet so......-

Someone with a true purpose, whether it is misguided, fully understood, evil, good, calculated, impulsive, or a mixture, will strive to see it through. They may be dedicated to the cause or desperate to see it through, which is much scarier than someone that doesn't take their enemies seriously. Zenos doesn't seem to have any true purpose, which gives him a lack of character and makes him not scary at all.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Zenos doesn't seem to have any true purpose, which gives him a lack of character and makes him not scary at all.

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Yeah it always surprised to me when people talk about how deep and nuanced his character is. He flat out tells you to your face how he's completely one dimensional.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

Yeah it always surprised to me when people talk about how deep and nuanced his character is. He flat out tells you to your face how he's completely one dimensional.

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Most people have no idea what nuance or character development truly means.

A perfect example are people that always say they want something different. Then when something different actually happens they lose their crap.

See: The Last Jedi.

I liked Zenos. After all the lies and secrecy all because of the upper class and a doddering old Elezen with Megalomania and literal God Complex I was happy to get my Blood Knight on with a kindred spirit.

Sith? Nah, maybe a follower of one of the 40k Chaos gods. More than likely either Khorne for his bloodlust or Slaanesh with all the pleasure he indulgences in when he fights you/WoL. He oddly enough reminded me of Fulgrim in a way.... just without the personality or and character development the Primarch's all had.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Remind me what Gaius stood for again? That's not snark. I only remember him being manipulated by Lahabrea before getting wiped out quite handily by the WoL (us). I never once feared him.

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Gaius is one who believes in restoring order, even if it seems hopeless to do so at times. He may not be the most toughest of adversaries, but Gauis wasn't Viceroy of Ala Mhigo for a long time doing nothing.

As far as Zenos goes, I agree. His attitude and combat capabilities fit the bill quite well. Though he tends to fight and not deal with politics much, he does not screw around often when it comes to getting the job done (capturing Krile for his experiments and having Fordola use the Castrum Abania's cannon on Specula Imperatoris, among a few.)