I don't think RDM needs specific buffs but QoL changes would be very appreciated

There's really not much to say. I think the power of RDM is in a good space, aside from maybe 10 to 20 potency here or there maybe, but I'd still like to see some improvements to areas where it wouldn't generate too much power. Rather I'd just like to see the gameplay feel be smoothed out around the few edges. Don't get me wrong! I really love this class! But QoL changes should always be welcome for everything in any game.

Here is what I currently dislike about my fancy fencer red man:

• Impact is a seperate skill from Jolt II
• Tether is so extremely niche, its only use comes in PotD to put down an add to deal with something else or in Eureka to make an add lose aggro, while you run
• Acceleration doesn't apply to Scatter

So let me explain why I think these are issues.
Impact is meant (?) to be an upgrade to Jolt II as a kind of safety net, if Verfire or Verstone don't proc. This is a really good thing but why doesn't Impactful simply increase the damage of the next Jolt II? Why doesn't it simply upgrade Jolt II to Jolt III? Why is there a timer on Impact anyway? It rarely happens but when Impactful runs out mid cast, it gets cancelled. This can be very annoying when it happens. Then again, if it happens. You might as well remove the timer all together. This just feels like button bloat what Stormblood greatly reduced for other jobs.
Tether is really simple to identify the problems of. It deals no damage and only binds. That's it...Even Tri-Bind dealt at least some damage pre-Stormblood but Tether is just straight up worse in every way.

As for Acceleration, it just feels unnatural. It's a skill to ensure the next chance for a proc will happen. So I'm a bit confused why doesn't apply to Scatter. Granted it wouldn't do much. I still think it's weird so I won't comment on it further.


So what can be done about these? We can leave it very simple but I'd like suggest something fancy as well.

Impact / Impactful:

• Make Impactful a permanent buff until the next Impact cast
• Rename Impact to Jolt III, make it a natural upgrade to Jolt II when Impactful procs (think Ruin II, Further Ruin and Ruin IV)

Tether:

• Add Enhanced Tether : Deal some damage, remove bind effect and pull adds surrounding your target together
• (Rename it to Magnet / Enhanced Magnet ?)

This is all wishful thinking but I still invite people to talk about this. I love this job and hold it very dearly. I'm already looking soo forward to 5.X and theorizing about potential skills like Verbanish and Verdark, making use of overcharged mana.
Anyway, please share your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by EhvaTaco

• Impact is a seperate skill from Jolt II
• Tether is so extremely niche, its only use comes in PotD to put down an add to deal with something else or in Eureka to make an add lose aggro, while you run
• Acceleration doesn't apply to Scatter

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All are good points except for the last one, because Scatter doesn't proc anything other than Enhanced Scatter. Why Acceleration works on Veraero and Verthunder is because you really do want that 280 potency and extra White/Black Mana from Verstone and Verfire. That said, I'd love Tether and Impact to be at some point replaced by Verwater and Verblizzard for AoE.

That said, Jolt II/III should still be weaker than Verstone/Verfire, simply to encourage usage of those two.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

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Thanks! I changed it now to make it a single post instead of a cluster...Y'know.

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Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

All are good points except for the last one, because Scatter doesn't proc anything other than Enhanced Scatter. Why Acceleration works on Veraero and Verthunder is because you really do want that 280 potency and extra White/Black Mana from Verstone and Verfire. That said, I'd love Tether and Impact to be at some point replaced by Verwater and Verblizzard for AoE.

That said, Jolt II/III should still be weaker than Verstone/Verfire, simply to encourage usage of those two.

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As the name says, Acceleration is there to speed up your rotation to end with a Verholy / Verflare. Impact right now is as strong as the Ver-spells to also keep the average DPS up. But I disagree with replacing Tether and Impact for more Ver-magic as RDM should definitely have some red magic at their disposal instead of just Jolt. But I do agree than Verwater and Verblizzard would be great skills. Especially since water magic is so heavily underpresented, especially by WHMs.

I wish CC was more useful in general. It's nice that it's made sort of a come back with Eureka but I wish it was a tiny bit more useful in dungeons as well. I think it'd be really nice if tether pulled the mobs together. Could be useful for big aoe pulls.

My big issue with rdm is it's utility and what I'd like them to go to. I want embolden to keep it's full potency for longer and extend to other casters as well. I really only end up using this at the start of a fight and then when I'm about to jump out after my melee combo. I'd also like to see us get a haste type ogcd on a long cooldown to assist a healer in a tough spot or give to a dps to burn that last bit of damage before enrage. And I'd like a shield type aoe on ogcd (60sec cooldown) that shields for a small amount and gives me a small buff as well.

I think RDM could use some minor potency increases. And for the love of god Sprint and Pots should not consume dualcast.

Embolden needs changes to perhaps buff both physical+magic and the job itself needs minor buffs like Draycona has stated.
No reason it could not be on par with or exceed jobs that offer more in terms of support

Regarding Tether, curious how this action even made it in to RDM's final action set on release, it's only really useful in low level areas/duties where mobs are not resistant to Bind. At high levels it gets literally no use at all, especially not in most dungeons anyway. Now we had a similar situation with SMN's Tri-Bind, (the DWT adjustments gave it new life), but even before SB it could still inflict damage even if the actual Bind effect didn't work on the target. RDM's Tether however does no damage at all, and pretty much just sits on a hotbar for the sake of being there.

Maybe we need a way to incorporate Tether in to other RDM actions so it could potentially benefit from a similar DWT buff. Some players might suggest using the Mana Gauge, perhaps higher mana gives it a damage boost etc or my own idea was whilst the RDM has Embolden active, Tether gains damage potency of 150 and the MP cost is reduced between 33% to 50%. Yes RDM still has Enchanted Moulinet and Scatter, but most of the time is just spamming the latter, so an alternative aoe could be nice in the long run.

That's why I suggested turning it into Magnet to make it a bit more unique. A skill that pulls units together is certainly something we don't have yet and since RDM shines in terms of utility, I don't see a problem with it having this niche, too.

Tether is actually useful in Eureka, for what its worth.

Buffs lol Red mage is overpowered needs adjustments i suggest its dualcast trait be given too healers a dps class does not need it needs too focus on dps

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Now I get the idea with Magnet, but how useful should it be really? The only reason I ask is because let's say there is mob of enemies, most likely the tank would be fine drawing them together so what use would RDM have if they are already grouped you know. Even if there is no tank but the only the RDM, then the mob would group around them so no need to draw them isn't it.

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Overpowered RDM, wut? Even outside of utility, Dualcast is what makes it unique amongst the casters and allows it more DPS uptime (seeing as it lacks DOTs). Giving it to healers would then completely break them and make them the ones that become OP, say bye to using Presence of Mind or Lightspeed eh.

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Originally Posted by Godofhealing

Buffs lol Red mage is overpowered needs adjustments i suggest its dualcast trait be given too healers a dps class does not need it needs too focus on dps

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How to spot somebody who doesn't look at the actual statistics of the game, step 1.

Also it can't simultaneously "be overpowered" and "need to focus on dps". It's underpowered right now, and its dualcast raise matters very...VERY little for this tier.

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How to spot somebody who doesn't look at the actual statistics of the game, step 1.

Also it can't simultaneously "be overpowered" and "need to focus on dps". It's underpowered right now, and its dualcast raise matters very...VERY little for this tier.

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Or simply put, someone who most likely has never even played a caster dps.
Anyone that has actually played Red Mage would not state that it is OP, never was actually... At release of SB there was a bug (which they fixed) that made it seem OP, certainly not so anymore