I almost have this fight down. I've made a lot of progress in learning it and how to do stuff. I don't run with a static so I have been at the mercy of party finder a bit (which has, as you can imagine, the best community ever -_-). Here are the tips I e figured out for off tanking this as a paladin. Please help me by adding in anything else you notice.
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Dadaluma: Huge party check. There is an awareness check on both the DPS and healers for aura cannon. There is a tank check for mitigation and pick ups during the time the two adds up, there's a DPS check for how fast the DPS can burn down dada and there's a heal check for dealing with the two aura cannons, a tank buster and Prey. This is the best time to use cooldowns. What I've noticed works is build up a rage of halone combo on Guardian, then provoke dada when he spawns and use it followed by flash. That will guarantee you hold dada even if DPS goes crazy. After that, I use divine veil, clemency, then hallowed ground. Depending on the party DPS I may do another halone combo in sword or just royal authority. Use intervention on the MT and reprisa on Guardian for the buster, then cover the second prey while under rampart. This eats all your cooldowns, but allows you to provide substantial damage mitigation at a key moment (until you heal this fight you won't understand what I'm talking about, but dada has a ton of raid damage goin out.
Bibliotaph: Nothinf special.
Ultros: I don't know why the meta is to drag Ultros through the center. That's a great way to die post Virus, as you basically have to expect everyone will be able to walk through all three missile lanes without hitting one, while damaging Ultros. I pull Ultros to an adjacent corner, reprisal, rampart and passage of arms. . His cannon damage is actually pretty weak and even though this point is "closer", you won't be training folks to run into the missiles.
Air Force: Help DPS with their adds, and heal them!
Virus: OT role in this can be tricky. If you get SW, congrats you got lucky. If you get abandonment you need to have the boss on you almost immediately. If slow to the pull he will walk out of Melee range chasing thebmain tank, andbyou can guarantee everyone will blame you when you wipe to enrage (even if a DPS died). The way I deal with this is build up a rage of Halone on Guardian, then either let it whiff if you get wind, or use it, provoke and flash if you got abandonment. Keep at your position and watch carefully.
Post Virus Dada and Airforce: These are both easier than their before Virus counterparts.
Post Virus Ultros: Remember he spawns West this time. If you pull him through the center you will probably die as it's inevitable someone will run into a missile. If you pull him adjacent, people only have to dodge missiles from two lines, making it much easier.
Post a Virus biblio: Anither high raid damage step, but honestly still easier than Dada. Use Hallowed ground and sentinel.
Any tips?
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03-14-2018, 12:20 AMShaolinzPaladin looking for O7S Tips...
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03-14-2018, 03:11 AMwhiskeybravo
HG for Dada might be overkill, our PLD only uses it on Biblio after sentinel wears off. You're covering the second prey which is the only suggestion I was going to offer here. FYI as War MT I use reprisal on the first 2 busters, so you should be able to focus on Dada. As an ancillary I'm not sure if using HG on first Dad mess up timing for using in on Biblio depending on the order of programs (looks pretty close by the timestamp chart).
Ultros, we don't pull to middle. I take the boss to where ever he spawns and dps stays on boss until he flies up, then dps down ultros while we bait/dodge/move for cannon fire. Cannon damage is not really weak, it hits me for about 35k and can hit twice very easily if you're not careful. 35k on a tank will nearly 1-shot a DPS or healer. My OT does pull Dad and Biblio to the middle, however.
Post-virus Ultros I still have a bit of trouble remembering to position him away from the middle so we can get to bombs easier. Just another consideration to make. He does spawn in different locations, however, SW corner if he's pasted after virus, NE corner if he's last to load. I've found it's pretty safe as long as you run along the wall.
I still have optimizing to do, though. -
03-14-2018, 03:20 AMRLofOBFL
Flash is 600 potency aggro and 0 damage, Halone is 270 damage and 1485 potency aggro. Never ever use Flash Single Target. Never use Clemency either unless its absolutely necessary, basically never outside of prog, I do still pop it off only if I am absolutely certain someone will die w.o it. All these minor things are losing you a lot of damage and as of now, you cannot clear o7s w.o tank and healer dps so that's very detrimental to the group. I only use Halone when adds pop, and only one time, but that's because I trust my dps to cut aggro, if you do not, then use 2 halones. Dada in particular I do build up a Savage blade on boss then Halone Dada right as he spawns as that is where my rotation usually is at the time.
For Virus you voke and OT shirks you which is a strong aggro lead, you don't Halone and especially not Flash. Passage of arms is another heavy dps loss skill if you use it for more than 1 gcd, and is not necessary in that fight.
Besides all of that, your cd rotation is pretty good. I'd personally use Veil at different times when I know people can potentially mess up and that shield would save them, or for airforce adds.
"HG for Dada might be overkill, our PLD only uses it on Biblio after sentinel wears off"
Hallowed is up for Dada and Biblio so why not use it for them both? There's no downside and it gives healers breathing room. -
03-14-2018, 03:31 AMwhiskeybravoCool, just wasn't sure if it'd be back up since I don't main PLD. I assumed it wouldn't be since I'm pretty sure my PLD doesn't use it on Dada. Maybe he should start lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RLofOBFL
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03-14-2018, 10:10 PMXan_Kriegor
I don't have a static too so I do this with the party finder but I'm always playing with a buddy cotank so it makes things easier to me.
About the fight: like the other guys said, avoid using Flash and Clemency. This fight actually requires tanks to do a decent amount of DPS because of its Enrage timer.
There is no downside on using almost every CD you have for the first Dadaluma and if you are using Sentinel and Hallowed Ground there you should also grab Guardian in this phase so the healers can focus on healing the prey and blue markers and also doing as much DPS as they can. What I usually do: In Sword Oath I grab Dada with Shield Lob + 1 Halone and I voke guardian during this rotation. Then my cotank use voke on Dada and Shirk both to me. I use Sentinel and another mitigation if needed, when it ends I use Hallowed Ground. Dadaluma should be dead after this. If you don't trust in your cotank I would recommend you to use 2 Halone on Dadaluma but it is very nice to grab Guardian either way it makes things a lot easier because you will be invulnerable during the TB there. Always use Tempered Will before Shockwave. Don't mind about the cooldowns because everything will be back for Bibliotaph post-virus.
About the Prey Markers: I don't use Cover on the first one so I can have it for the second one (soon after Dadaluma). Also I recommend to use it on the Prey in the Virus Phase. Remember to use Cover as soon as you see the Debuff on the party member otherwise you'll receive no damage from him.
Ultros: I always ask my party to not hit Ultros until Guardian goes invulnerable. We have enough time to kill Ultros later. I always bring with me Interject just to make sure. I grab him with 1 Halone in Sword Oath and I keep him in the corner until Guardian goes up and then you can move it to the other side. I use only "soft mitigations" here.
Airforce: Pay attention in your DPS buddies, if anyone has died and therefore has the debuff or if anyone got hit by a missile you should help him with Holy Spirit. If a DPS is dead during that a Healer will have to replace him with the Airforce so you should do the Bomb mechanic and then help the healer kill his Aircraft. Here is a nice place to use Intervention on your cotank as well because there is a TB after Bomb Deployment.
Virus: You don't need to do Enmity rotation. If you have Abandonment and therefore you need to stay at the middle just voke and keep hitting him. Whoever needs to do the Searing Wind should Shirk the other tank.
Post-Virus: It is not that hard. I think Airforce here is pretty easy for tankers, just pay attention if your DPS friends need help or not. Dadaluma is also pretty easy. For Bibliotaph you must make sure your party members are aware to do the stacks. MT should pull Guardian to North-Northwest to make it faster for the melees and also to remember everyone which is the incoming mechanic. For Bibliotaph add you can do exactly the same thing I said for Dadaluma. It is nice to have ranged or magic LB3 here but it is completely doable without that. I usually see parties using LB1 on the first phase as soon as possible and then saving LB3 for Bibliotaph.
Ultros for me is the hardest part of the post-virus phase. Keep in mind that the add will not spawn early in this phase. But the party have to be aware to stack fast to bait the tentacles. If you got this mechanic as the last one then Ultros will spawn on NE (otherwise it will be the first mech of post-virus phase and he will spawn on SW). If he spawns on NE then it is not hard at all. You can just grab him and move to NW. There are no missiles coming from North so it will be pretty safe for you to do that.
Also remember to ask your cotank about Reprisal on Raid Busters. I usually ask the MT to use it on the first one, OT on the second one, MT third one and so on.
I guess this is it. It is a hard fight but if your party can consistently do a good pre-virus and virus phase you eventually will have your clear. Also communication helps a lot in O7S. -
03-14-2018, 11:55 PMCampi
Dada:
Don't use Flash and Clemency
Fast Blade on Guardian, Provoke and Savage Blade on Dada, HG and Rage of Halone
You maybe have to do 2 Halone Combos, if the DPS don't know how to use Aggro-Tools.
When HG runs out, use Sentinel. Use Intervention for the TB on the MT
Cover shouldn't be up there, as you use it at the Pull.
You can use Devine Veil, to easier the Healing
Fey Union ist enough to heal the DPS with the Prey. Other Preys can be covered
Cover on the First Prey will gain much more DPS for the Healers
Ultros:
You can use Rampart + Bullwark for it.
Normally the other Players hit him, when Guardian disappears, so no Aggro Problems
Pull Ultros to the Grp, then dodge the Cannon, so nobody gets damage
Passage when Ultros is dead and the Dmg from Guardian goes up
Virus:
1 Tank (OT) in the Hitbox from Guardina will get the Fire
1 Tank (MT) max melee Range will get abandonment
Works in my Grp every Time
If it doen't work, you have to work and the other Tank have to Shirk you (If he doesn't know Shirk, kick him out of the Grp)
Air Force:
Nothing special, just help 1 DPS to bring down his Add. No need for Clemency
Normally Tanks and Healer call out which Add they will focus for helping the DPS (OT->NW, MT->NE, H1->SE, H2->SW)
Post Virus Ultros:
Always spawns in the Corner SW
Just talk with your Grp, where they want to go.
The easiest way is from SW to NE
Post Virus biblio:
Pull it to the Boss
Use HG for it.
Normally the DPS should use LB3 on it, to Kill it fast
After HG goes off, use Sentinel
Halone as necessary
You shouldn't use:
Shield Oath, Clemency, Flash
You can also look at the Logs from some good PLDs, to get some Tipps for your Rotation -
03-15-2018, 12:39 AMXan_KriegorIt will spawn either on SW or NE it depends of which pattern he is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Campi
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03-15-2018, 04:31 PMDaniel_Fury
Shirk and intervention the main tank. The lack of this in 7s pug groups is fairly common.
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03-15-2018, 04:46 PMCampiHm, i'm not sure about this^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Xan_Kriegor
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03-15-2018, 06:58 PMTristannIf Bib first then NE 1st SW 2ndQuote:
Originally Posted by Campi
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03-15-2018, 11:07 PMXan_KriegorExactly. These are the two major patterns of this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tristann