Is desynth dead?

I've leveled my desynth and I made gils while leveling it but now at 330+ it isn't worth at all. The Lost Allagan pieces still give pre 70 mats and Battlecraft III which is worth about the vendor's price right now...

Will Desynth ever get useful again? I feel the concept was great during 2.x but it has died down now.

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A simple example is running an expert and I get an armor piece. Well, I get more value turning the item into Grand Company seals and buying ventures and those ventures will bring me more items which I can make profits than the desynth result. Same with turning creations into lost allagan pieces over buying scarlet urushis and make torreya lumbers which are about 40k each on my server.

Battlecraft III became insanely devalued when it became able to drop from white crafted Stormblood items. I have no idea why they did that. It wasn't particularly hard to get to begin with, considering all the stuff it drops from.

Fieldcraft III and Mastercraft Demimateria are quite valuable. You may also be able to get good mileage out of desynthing items that can drop Glass Fibers. I just wish they'd add another desynth-unique item.

On Ultros you can make lots of money desynthing and creating Mastercraft Demimateria and Fieldcraft III. Outside of those two Desynthing is dead on our server.

SE has not added a new desynth commodity forever. Strangely though they keep adding old ones as core ingredients. As far as I can tell SE's goal is to keep Desynthing around as a relic system used for crafting, but not require more than 100 points inside the system, because they have no desire to review its painful leveling process.

Personally I'm ok with this outcome, but it does feel awkward.

They pretty much stopped adding new unique items to desynth starting from HW. No higher grade demis after Field III and Master I. No more primal demis. No exclusive glamors from fish desynth any more.

So raising your desynth skill beyond ARR level now only provides materials that can be obtained outside of desynthesis, and the same existing demi types as lower level desynth.

I still try to cap mine each patch just for, I don't know, ocd raising the bars and possibility that something rewarding may come up eventually.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

They pretty much stopped adding new unique items to desynth starting from HW. No higher grade demis after Field III and Master I. No more primal demis. No exclusive glamors from fish desynth any more.

So raising your desynth skill beyond ARR level now only provides materials that can be obtained outside of desynthesis, and the same existing demi types as lower level desynth.

I still try to cap mine each patch just for, I don't know, ocd raising the bars and possibility that something rewarding may come up eventually.

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Leveling your desynth beyond 100 and on more than one class also has a benefit in that you have more stuff you can obtain without much effort for desynth, like old gear.

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

On Ultros you can make lots of money desynthing and creating Mastercraft Demimateria and Fieldcraft III. Outside of those two Desynthing is dead on our server.

SE has not added a new desynth commodity forever. Strangely though they keep adding old ones as core ingredients. As far as I can tell SE's goal is to keep Desynthing around as a relic system used for crafting, but not require more than 100 points inside the system, because they have no desire to review its painful leveling process.

Personally I'm ok with this outcome, but it does feel awkward.

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so basically there's no point to get to 330 since mastercraft are 2.x items. That's what I thought lol

Rumors say desyn may help with the new relic. But it seems so farfetched. No solid info yet.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Rumors say desyn may help with the new relic. But it seems so farfetched. No solid info yet.

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Well I mean it helped with the original...

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Rumors say desyn may help with the new relic. But it seems so farfetched. No solid info yet.

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Very unlikely. It would be too hard for people with no funds that dont like crafting. I feel the relic will be exclusively for Eureka.

This leaves that Desynth is good until 130150 to get mastercraft demimateria and fieldcrafts III. Not much to be gain to level it beyond that point... I did it because my OCD compels me to max it but that's about the only satisfaction I am getting.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Rumors say desyn may help with the new relic. But it seems so farfetched. No solid info yet.

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Didn't they say in an interview that there was a big outrage with the ARR relic requiring those desynth items to complete so they were going to stay away from that? Even the crafted items in HW you could alternatively get with GC seals. It seems Eureka is the only system in place for the relic.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Didn't they say in an interview that there was a big outrage with the ARR relic requiring those desynth items to complete so they were going to stay away from that? Even the crafted items in HW you could alternatively get with GC seals. It seems Eureka is the only system in place for the relic.

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There was a HUGE outrage. Some of us made absolutely crazy money during the relic desynth because there was zero competition. When things first hit our server basically had one Alchemist and Carpenter desynther and I split the profits 50% with them. Markup stayed 500-1000% for a very long time.

My FC members loved me back then sooomuch because they were able to get their weapons constructed at a fraction of the price.

Hell, there's STILL a huge markup on those items.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Even the crafted items in HW you could alternatively get with GC seals. It seems Eureka is the only system in place for the relic.

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At first the anima crafted items were only obtainable that way, and they just replaced zodiac's desynth requirement with aetherial reduction + specialist requirements for the anima items. But yes later they made them available through GC and also no longer required HQ. In the interview Yoshida noted that crafted requirement saw backlash mostly from the western audience who tend to be more focused on specific kinds of content meaning many do not touch crafting at all, while in Japan players tend to be more comfortable doing everything. Eureka is indeed a new model which may not involve any crafting.

shinryu weapons desynth to shinryu scales which are worth a few million, other primals weapons might result in their appropriate crafting ingredients aswell

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

shinryu weapons desynth to shinryu scales which are worth a few million, other primals weapons might result in their appropriate crafting ingredients aswell

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That is unexpected. I wonder what the desynth rate is. If so it might be well worth having BSM maxed if you like to do bird/doggo farms. I wonder if SE will continue this trend.

I enjoy leveling all my classes, DoH/L/W/M all together, and even I had zero interest in the desynth grind. Hitting that stage of the relic was a bit painful since I had expected, with it being such outdated obsolete content, that I could do it all on my own. Desynth, as well as the mastercrafts in ARR, remained a bit high on the difficulty scale.

Looking at the system from my own bias, I'm pretty glad it hasn't gotten more exclusives. I can respect that players that enjoyed or otherwise invested in getting those levels would rather appreciate having a payoff (and maybe if I were further along in crafting I'd be more likely to agree), but I'd be a little more content with exclusive crafting items coming from content that's at least easier to access.

But, I'm not one to try flipping things for profit, so from my own perspective, I just see leveling desynth as a massive sink with little return on investment.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

I've leveled my desynth and I made gils while leveling it but now at 330+ it isn't worth at all. The Lost Allagan pieces still give pre 70 mats and Battlecraft III which is worth about the vendor's price right now...

Will Desynth ever get useful again? I feel the concept was great during 2.x but it has died down now.

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It's very profitable. Fieldcraft 3 and the mastermateria for fieldcraft go for 40k ~ 80k a piece on my server. I make silver brocade and trade them in for the helm. I desynth that, keep the fc3, sell the master, and turn whatever nuggets I get into rosegold cogs. Any of those tradein's work, though people (myself included) prefer the helm because it's not a unique item for some reason. You can also buy them from GC (though they're pricy that way.)

Well, they like trends pretty often for crafters so... Glass fibers came out in 3.3 as a required item for the crafting set at the time. You could get glass fibers two ways, Moogles which had a daily cap, or from desyn of the blue scrip crafting gear or from the void 24 man drops. So I would not be shocked to see this play out the same way in 4.3 (When we are also likely to get the new crafting beast tribe).

Also GC seals are worth a higher then average amount right now, thanks to Subs and added Housing, but that will normalize over this patch, and if the next few patches require crafter scrip grinding again, the value of that pre 70 mats will once again be very high.

There has to be BC4s coming out soon right? For next weapons made from SB primal drops? I hope so anyway

I wouldn't hold out hope on a 4th demimateria grade, as they didn't add a new one in Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I wouldn't hold out hope on a 4th demimateria grade, as they didn't add a new one in Heavensward.

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While this is true enough, I personally expect them to come out with a new Desynth material, a la the glass fibers in HW. Should be around .. 4.4 or so?

If they do not, then the main relevant items obtainable via Desynth are going to remain items obtainable at “low” Desynth levels. Long gone are the days where you cannot bring everything to the 100 range, and that’s really all that’s necessary to desynth ARR gear for the MCD’s, BC3’s, and FC3’s.

I was under the impression that they shifted III materia to more recent stuff and older desynth remained at I/II. It's likely that demimateria will come back into play at the next crafting patch, but who knows.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

While this is true enough, I personally expect them to come out with a new Desynth material, a la the glass fibers in HW. Should be around .. 4.4 or so?

If they do not, then the main relevant items obtainable via Desynth are going to remain items obtainable at “low” Desynth levels. Long gone are the days where you cannot bring everything to the 100 range, and that’s really all that’s necessary to desynth ARR gear for the MCD’s, BC3’s, and FC3’s.

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Oh, I fully expect that, to get whatever beast tribe material comes out from desynth, but I am not really expecting them adding a new desynth-exclusive item (Fibers weren't desynth-exclusive).

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I was under the impression that they shifted III materia to more recent stuff and older desynth remained at I/II. It's likely that demimateria will come back into play at the next crafting patch, but who knows.

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Not as far as I am aware. My usual go-to for FC3’s has never changed.

It would be nice if they'd offer a nice alternative to BSM désinth leveling because it's a freaking pain to raise