RDM DPS for OS1-4

Hello. My static and I are starting are getting into Deltascape. My iLevel is 343. I was able to get 3k dps give or take. Is that sufficient? What should I be pushing for?

At 343 with 0 deaths you should be around 5k dps on RDM. More if raid buffs. 5.3ish max.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

At 343 with 0 deaths you should be around 5k dps on RDM. More if raid buffs. 5.3ish max.

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I died onnce, and had to rez a bunch.

Our party comp is:

WAR
DRK
RDM
SAM
NIN
BRD
SCH
WHM <----- ridiculously good player.

I will try and push for that number. I Was getting super unlucky with procs, and for reference, it was our first clear.

https://discord.gg/CjQkEn3

Join the Balance Discord. It's full of good and helpful people, and there is a dedicated RDM room for helping people figure out how to optimize the job and play better within a team setting as well as tips for how to play in certain fights. Hopefully this helps!

It's hard to provide you some help by only giving you numbers you "should reach".Yes of course it gives you an idea of what you should be aiming for, but it doesn't tell you how to actually reach.
It could have been better if you could give us some logs or even a video so we could see what's wrong in your rotation.

You can try Stone, Sky Sea - if you can down the dummy in time then you can theoretically do passable DPS in real fight.

3k is not enough for o1s to o4s. I believe the strict minimum you should be providing is 4.2k. Also, considering your ilvl you should be around 5k. I suggest you to find some guides to understand the RDM rotation which is essentially about minimizing the use of jolt 2.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

I died onnce, and had to rez a bunch.

WHM <----- ridiculously good player.

it was our first clear.

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its not just about the rotation I think... first the ridiculous good whm, who forces you to res "a bunch" what might be major dps loss as well... on the other hand first clears... rarely provide good numbers, it will change if you and your grp know the fight and pre-handle mechanics and position automatically. But reflecting your rota and reading guides is always good as well. : o

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

I died onnce, and had to rez a bunch.

Our party comp is:

WAR
DRK
RDM
SAM
NIN
BRD
SCH
WHM <----- ridiculously good player.

I will try and push for that number. I Was getting super unlucky with procs, and for reference, it was our first clear.

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As a SMN main when it. Ones to Rezing help I follow a couple of rules...is one healer dead before a big aoe than help raise that other helaer while the other healer is focus on raid healing..

Is both of the healers like bottomed out on mp like barely enough to heal than raise besides those couple instances I try to avoid alot of Rezing so that my dps doesn't drop to much

It's okay to be helpful but unless you are in a progression party don't willingly sacrifice your dps unless it's an emergency which in most cases results in a wipe anyways

RDM with 343 @ 5k DPS? NEVER EVER!!! Even 99% percentile in fflogs is below 5k.

Have a look at fflogs with 75 percentile to get a clue where you should be: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#aggregate=amount

75 percentile is at 4,3k DPS for last 2 week.

With your gear you might be somewhere around 4,5k but not at 5k.

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Originally Posted by TelosNox

RDM with 343 @ 5k DPS? NEVER EVER!!! Even 99% percentile in fflogs is below 5k.

Have a look at fflogs with 75 percentile to get a clue where you should be: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#aggregate=amount

75 percentile is at 4,3k DPS for last 2 week.

With your gear you might be somewhere around 4,5k but not at 5k.

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That is also ilvl 310 - 320 content. I dont think many player run that anymore with ilvl 343 gear so number are probably bit missleading.

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Originally Posted by TelosNox

RDM with 343 @ 5k DPS? NEVER EVER!!! Even 99% percentile in fflogs is below 5k.

Have a look at fflogs with 75 percentile to get a clue where you should be: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#aggregate=amount

75 percentile is at 4,3k DPS for last 2 week.

With your gear you might be somewhere around 4,5k but not at 5k.

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https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21#aggregate=amount Now take a look at a relevant raid tier.

75 percentile is at 5k dps for the last 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by TelosNox

RDM with 343 @ 5k DPS? NEVER EVER!!! Even 99% percentile in fflogs is below 5k.

Have a look at fflogs with 75 percentile to get a clue where you should be: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#aggregate=amount

75 percentile is at 4,3k DPS for last 2 week.

With your gear you might be somewhere around 4,5k but not at 5k.

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It is most definitely 5k, I had a RDM in my static for some of Deltascape and he did 5.1-2k at his best in 340 gear until he swapped to MCH. Hell I did 4.5k in O1S as a RDM in mostly 320 gear with some random 340 parts mixed in and a Shin weapon.

Current Sigmascape logs are based on current Gear. That should be somewhere around 350 and not 343.
So when ppl get about 5k dps with current gear how should someone get 5k with 7 itemlvl below?

I am talking about some good average dps, not about the absolute maximum possible in a perfect fight with a perfect group and when you get pushed.

@Lord_Zlatan
In my opinion you are fine if you can hit 4,5k with your gear. More is possible but depends on group composition and on the specific fight (there are fights with more and fights with less downtime that affects dps a lot).

Yeah, people look at maximum, rather than what is average, and what is above average. (When giving "advice" on what DPS they should be doing.)

Most of the time, the best food, raid buffs, and the best potions make a difference. Along with some lucky line ups in RNG.
An example, my average DPS could be 4.3k at i340 in O6S. Use my cheap food (+35 stats) and cheap Mega Potions, my DPS usually goes up 300 points. Im sure with the best food/potions, I could have been 5k at i340 my 1st clear on O6s. (my last clear, with +45 stat food, and 2 HQ mega potions, was 4.9k DPS) So get some good stuff, if you really wanna raise your DPS, and not be cheap like me. (For comparison, a BLM with similar gear/food as me, did 7k DPS in that clear, DRG tied me, and the BRD did 4.6k with slightly better food than me.)

3k is passable for O1S, but not really passable for O2S+
I think you need 3.5k for O2S, and then closer to 4k+ for O3S and on.

Depending on other factors, u might find urself unable to turret during mechanics which is where most of your DPS loss will be.
Swift cast for those moments, and find the absolute maximum amount of time u can sit still, to try and get that last spell off, so you can dual cast while dodging. (in my case, 90% of all mechanics happen AFTER a dual cast, and require a hard cast, and will hit me if i let the cast bar get to 70%, and only 10% of the time will the cast finish, even if i let it get to 70%, and start running. This alone makes my DPS drop, and i use cheaper food/potions)

with no movement, I can do 5k DPS, but in movement heavy fights, my DPS can drop to 4.4k - 4.8k depending. (Usually includes rezzes/cures so idk, and i usually dont use food/pots in practice.)
but this was in i340-i345 gear.
in i340 gear on O4S, i struggled to get 4k DPS, due to all mechanics lining up at absolute horrible times. (always near the end of a GCD for hard casting.)
my group changed our strategy, so i didnt have to move as much, and if i was lucky enough on the hard casts in 1 part of the fight, my DPS would be 4-4.4k
ONCE my procs actually landed decently and i could use my CDs before the boss would jump away, which lead to nearly 4.8k, but we wiped. (actually almost ever clear, was usually an unlucky run for me, but all my good runs, we never clear :P )

Stop coddling. 3k is absolutely not okay(tho tc did die, Rez peeps, and probably isn't very familiar with the fight so this isn't really directed at him, just saying in general.) Enrage for o1s is 19k rdps. If every dps did 3k that's only 12k. Tanks do the tank equivalent of 3k, 2k. Healers, 500. So that's 17k rdps. That won't clear. And it only gets worse enrage for o2 is 21k, 3 is 23.5, 4 is also 23.5ish but more downtime. That's the end of the 340 line. The ones above it are for being in 341-370 gear but 5 is 25k, idk 6 or 8, but 7 it shoots up to 29k so dps need to be at least 5k, tanks at 3.5k-4k and healers at 1.5k.

In a smooth deathless fight 4.5 is a reasonable number to shoot for @ your ilvl TC. You should be able to push almost 5k as you learn the fights and your class and push limit and then go further beyond that if you have a heavy support comp.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

3k is absolutely not okay(tho tc did die, Rez peeps, and probably isn't very familiar with the fight so this isn't really directed at him, just saying in general.) Enrage for o1s is 19k rdps. If every dps did 3k that's only 12k.

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Interesting, Ive never seen his max HP before to know whats needed, just going by what I was told back when I was 1st doing it and O2S. So its weird to hear it requires more, since I barly hit 3.7k at the time, and was the highest DPS of our raid group, until we cleared O3S, then I stopped being the highest.

Ok after reading some posts :

About the contribution of stuff and food / pots : Don't get the wrong idea. 1 more ilvl (more main stat) is roughly 0.6 % more DPS, and food + pot alltogether is only 0.6% buff. (source : Mike Matrix tool).
Without any offense (I insist on that I'm just stating not calling out), food + pots won't grant 300 more DPS to someone doing 4300, those differences between runs are to be explained on better raid buff window synchronisation, along with crits/dhits landing on your spikes rather than your fillers.
TL;DR : If 350 RDM are at 5k DPS on O6S (a fight with really good uptime and relatively poor mechanics wise), a 343 RDM should be aiming for only 5% less, so 4700-4800.

O1S and O2S are as "easy" btw.

Second point : If you're not checking you e-penis or wanting to play for the records (best DPS? best kill time, etc...), and you feel bad not having a great DPS, just focus on "what DPS is needed", and not "what DPS is expected by fflogs"

O6S requirements are somewhere like what, 28k rDPS ?
Means if the 2 tanks are doing 7k together, and heals 3k together, it leaves 18k on DPS to be dealt with, 4.5K each. Someone not doing 4k5 at i345, doesn't mean he can't clear it, but it surely means he's being carried into the kill by his teammates compensating the lesser participation. But if you're above 4k5 ? You're helping the team. So aiming for those 4k5 would be fine (but of course aim for the highest possible, what I mean is ignore pesky people if you at least do your part of the job ; only listen to advice, not trashtalk).

Hi

im not sure if this is the place to ask. but does anyone know whats the current BiS for RDM? we're currently in Sigmascape v3.0 (Savage) and im still relying to Sigmascape Normal Gears.

RDM still focuses in DH > CRT > DET and 1k SPS?

Thanks :D

General BiS @ 2.47s gcd (Updated: 17/02/2018 4:30 am GMT)

DPS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15GJW

Ultimate/vit melds: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15GKI (some minor left side meld changes)

Higher latency/more clip friendly BiS @ 2.48s gcd (Updated: 17/02/2018 4:30 am GMT)

DPS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15GK2

Ultimate/vit melds: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15GKK (no left side meld changes)

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

General BiS @ 2.47s gcd (Updated: 17/02/2018 4:30 am GMT)

DPS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15GJW

Ultimate/vit melds: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15GKI (some minor left side meld changes)

Higher latency/more clip friendly BiS @ 2.48s gcd (Updated: 17/02/2018 4:30 am GMT)

DPS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15GK2

Ultimate/vit melds: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/15GKK (no left side meld changes)

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hi Thanks for this :D

but is there another version for Progression? like if it has Crafted Gears etc hehe

Thanks