I can read here and there the numbers, obviously tenacity will never give us as much dps boost as DET, Crit or DHit do, but at the same time it does boost our mitigation for the same percent.
But i wonder, how about that healing buff part? Why i cant see anywhere the numbers, does tenacity healing buff works at all, does it has the same percent of buff as like it does for mitigation and dmg boost?
I heard also there is effeciency floor from which it start to give us anything, and tenacity brings the value straight away from 1 point, where determination starts to affect damage after 300 or 400 points in.
How does that exactly work? Im most curious about that healing buff part.
Tenacity once again, whats the numbers?
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02-10-2018, 10:39 AMNedkelTenacity once again, whats the numbers?
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02-10-2018, 04:57 PMaqskerorokero
meh...I don't know what numbers are....but tenacity still add a little dps to your raw damage plus healing buff.
My logic is...if you don't critical hit, all crit stats are wasted, same as direct hit if you do not direct hit, and rngesus is bad to me...very bad...
Tenacity in other hand will always affect everything you do, attacking/getting hit/healing....so...it's like you want to be the jack of all. -
02-10-2018, 10:56 PMXan_Kriegor
Tenacity does not increase the healing you receive just the healing you do.
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02-11-2018, 12:34 AMTheCountHah, of course not that would make it genuinely usefulQuote:
Originally Posted by Xan_Kriegor
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02-11-2018, 01:29 AMDeceptusYou sure? Tool Tip says HP restored. It's pretty vague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xan_Kriegor
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02-11-2018, 01:34 AMNedkelWhat would be the point of it. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Xan_Kriegor
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02-11-2018, 02:17 AMXan_Kriegor
It works for self-healing. Yeah it is awful and the writing is bad too. You can read some discussion about this in these links:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...talk_tenacity/
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-vs-DIRECT-HIT -
02-11-2018, 02:27 AMRLofOBFL
At the absolute max melded tenacity (low 2000s) you should get about a 10% damage reduction and it's about 3/4 as strong as det on outgoing damage.
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02-11-2018, 02:42 AMNedkelSo its broken and SE doesnt care about fixing it?Quote:
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02-11-2018, 03:06 AMXan_KriegorIt is not broken. The description of its effect is confusing. But like RLofOBFL said, it is a more defensive alternative to meld instead of Determination. The problem is that we value more DPS than passive mitigation because most of the content is designed for ours active mitigation tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
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02-11-2018, 03:59 AMNedkelSo i believe determination is my way to go for DRK so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xan_Kriegor
Since i cant see tenacity increasing my Life drain from Soul eater and abyssal drain, with determination i will hate more MP and lifesteal.
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02-11-2018, 04:49 AMClaire_PendragonWhile my memory is a tad bad, Im fairly sure people tested it, and it does, but since its such a small difference, same with DET, you're not likely to notice. Though id say the life steal should almost be close to DET with TEN, since its 75% the DPS of DET, + the boost to self healing. (It will still be short, but the gap is less than the gap in DPS)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
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02-11-2018, 06:44 AMNedkelBut lifesdrain is the same as the damage dealt, so i dont think so its working on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon
Dealing X damage with lifedrain ability should grant you X + Y health with tenacity, but that doesnt happen.
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Nah my bad sorry for misleading, lifedrain is not equal to the damage, and tested it with 300 tenacity difference, it is working on the life drain.
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02-11-2018, 03:11 PMIzsha
Its self heals. Ones YOU cast like clemency. Its just like Det. Det increases damage you do and heals you cast on a whm. Tenacity does the same thing. Increases your personal damage, increases your outgoing personal heals, but also decreses damage taken. It does all of these things at the same rate (lower damage and heal increase than det). You gear it if you want passive mitigation. The heal bonus is just as strong as the damage it provides, which are both just weaker versions of det.
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02-13-2018, 01:37 AMXan_Kriegor
I would say that the priority for DRK right now is:
STR > DH > CH or Det >Ten for standard comps or if you want to share your gear with PLD.
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02-13-2018, 08:30 AMWarkupo
Dont' forget that a massive amount of your Tenacity is coming from your gear naturally. I'm of the opinion that if you're going to get into melding you should focus on increasing your offensive capabilities rather than your defensive potential as the game already does a really good job of making sure that you can clear content provided that your gear is up to date.
Personally I like to have enough Skill Speed that I feel "comfortable"; SKS makes tank classes much easier to play. Easier Enmity rotations, faster MP/Resource regeneration, more HOLY/CLEAVE/DARKNESS spam. Then I just go really liberal with Direct Hit and Critical Hit. I flip flop on which I prefer; I like the consistency of Direct Hit, at the same time I play a Paladin, so I really like how a Critical Clemency often means I don't need to use another Clemency. I also *really* like a Direct Hit Critical, so I won't just fully favor one over the other.
I'll meld for SKS first until I get to the number I want, and then if I'm going to get into over-melding territory it will be with DH and Crit. I don't meld for determination/tenacity at all. -
02-13-2018, 11:54 AMSunakoIsnt holy spirit spell? Spell speed affect holy spirit, not skill speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warkupo
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02-13-2018, 12:27 PMNedkelI think i will go with this :Quote:
Originally Posted by Xan_Kriegor
STR > DET > TEN > DH
Simply because i dont believe in the RNGesus, and want a proper and stable numbers. -
02-13-2018, 05:04 PMSylvain
I only tank for fun in pf group or to help friends, so before anything my tank gear is always subpar compared to someone who main a tank and would have higher ilv, more armor, more mitigation.
I'm personaly full Tenacity and I usually end up MT. I do see a difference and even friend healing me see it.
It saved my life quite a few times, the few % don't seem to do that much but in the end, they do. Over the course of a fight that's a lot of health bar your healer didn't have to heal (not that tankheal is remotely taxing in the mp department)
I don't think boss hurt enough to make it really interesting for any serious group.
It's also useless when off tanking (something that should be adressed)
I would only recommend Tenacity if you're not confident into your ability as a tank when it comes to doing proper mitigation or when you have low ilv until you get better geared and if you mostly do pf. (It saved my life sooooo many times) And especially if you intend to MT whenever possible. Because the stat is useless when not tanking. -
02-13-2018, 05:20 PMWarkupoAh let me elaborate real quick: More Skill speed means you are using Riot Blade more often which means your MP regeneration is higher. More MP, More Holy Spirit/Clemency. Occasionally I can pop one outside of Requiescat because otherwise I just have MP chilling in my bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunako
I joke that Paladin has a secret fourth combo called "our healer is dead, our dps is dead, oh god everyone is dead" where you just use Fast Blade > Riot Blade to quickly recover mana to spam Clemency in a vain attempt to stay alive. It works. -
02-15-2018, 05:03 PMaqskerorokeroYea..the old 2.0 little combo I call it.....works sometime during a fight where I have to be the 4th healer (why 4th? cuz there is a rdm XD).Quote:
Originally Posted by Warkupo
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02-17-2018, 06:23 AMwhiskeybravoI have a hard time buying that. I've never died and thought "ah shit, if only I had more tenacity". No, it's either "wtf back to back crit autos", or "why was I sitting at 8k HP for 10 seconds+", or the more common "F**K, I thought I was out of that AoE". Sure, over the course of a fight 10% additional mitigation will add up, but it would only actually make a difference if your healer is perfect and never over heals. 99.99% of the time your healer is healing you for way more damage than you take anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvain
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02-17-2018, 06:03 PMWyti
Actually its less about saving your live than it is about reducing constant damage taken to a level where Regen + fairy is enough to heal you though autos. Not always possible but it feels nice when you only cast a heal on the tank when busters happens.
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02-18-2018, 04:00 AMCoatl
Tenacity's only worth comes from how much more nukes your healers are able to throw out versus healing you from autos. It will never save you from a very telegraphed tank buster.
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02-23-2018, 09:53 PMSylvainI was mostly referring to boss AA eventually killing me because healer wouldn't heal me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coatl
It is also possible they were simply waiting for me to be low enough.
It did save me once from ark morn tho.
However the gain is in fact very weak and with a competent group it will not change a thing in its current state.