Advanced Jobs! Specialization? or Unlockable? Share your thoughts!

Hey people, so as many of you probably know, in the Eorzeapedia interview with Yoshi-P, they touched on their plans for advance classes, the classes that have been named since Letter From the Producer I (In example) are Paladin, White Mage, Black Mage, and Dragoon. You can see the excerpt here.

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I honestly would like either one, but I can only speculate and hope for what can be obtained, and how.

I was thinking that they might take something similar to XI, where you have to level up a certain class to R30 or so, and then do a quest (or series of them) in order to unlock it. Or perhaps it's simply a specialization, of which I can't begin to speculate, as there isn't really anything like that currently in the game that I know of.

But I think that it would be something like Lancer > Dragoon|???, Gladiator >Paladin|Samurai, Pugilist>Ninja|Thief, Archer>Ranger(Crossbows)|Musketeer etc. But I'm probably wrong.

Please share your thoughts!

most of the forums know my thoughts already probably by now.


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Adding the Job System ontop of the Armoury System as an augmentation like a Job Title that gives bonuses when you follow the path of the job you set but still allows you to customize th job should you chose.

I like that idea, but the mapping of the diagram is a little bit fuzzy to me, would you be so kind as to explain it a little bit more?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-Jobs-dev1033

Basically any "Weapon Class" can equip any "Traditional Job" and theres no lock outs like "Oh only Magic Classes can Equip Magic Jobs"

From what I gathered in Yoshi-P's letters, I got the impression that they were not so much looking at adding advanced jobs but rather looking at re-creating the existing jobs, so that Conjurer would become White Mage instead, Lancer replaced by Dragoon etc, and a re-allocation of class-specific abilities to go along with it and re-balance the combat system. Of course, I may have read this wrong, but it was the clear impression I got (and if true, something I would be strongly against).

I would prefer it if we got Musketeer, Arcanist and Shepperd as regular jobs first. Maybe also add a new magic class for Ul'dah's Nald-sect rather than just having the Thal-sect available as Thaumaturges.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

From what I gathered in Yoshi-P's letters, I got the impression that they were not so much looking at adding advanced jobs but rather looking at re-creating the existing jobs, so that Conjurer would become White Mage instead, Lancer replaced by Dragoon etc, and a re-allocation of class-specific abilities to go along with it and re-balance the combat system. Of course, I may have read this wrong, but it was the clear impression I got (and if true, something I would be strongly against).

I would prefer it if we got Musketeer, Arcanist and Shepperd as regular jobs first. Maybe also add a new magic class for Ul'dah's Nald-sect rather than just having the Thal-sect available as Thaumaturges.

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Actually he said in multiple interviews they were not looking to disrupt the current system but augment it.

That perspective certainly makes me feel a little better.

Similar to Catapult, I got the impression that the current Disciplines would be altered in such a way that players would have a chance to reallocate their efforts into this new system. But that's the impression I got from one of the producer letters.

I like the specialization idea better.
Also, I belive Musketeer would definitely be my class.

Regards,
Llan Hana.

Hehe. Maybe the reason they held back Musketeer is because they knew everyone would swamp Limsa otherwise. :p

My idea would be this, since atm all the class are better than other at using their own ability, the new job could be advance job that let you use the ability from 2 or more class with full efficiency. for example Rdm would be good with the buff/debuff from Con/Thm... whm would make use of the Healing skill from Thm/Con etc you see the idea. So once you'd have Thm and Con lvled you could specialise in Rdm Whm or Blm depending if you want to buff/debuff, heal or nuke.

That is pretty much how my system would work Alfinia.

You are proficent with both your Weapon Class and your Job Class affinities and weak at anything outside those scopes but you have free choice between equipping both and mixing and matching.

I would personally love to see an unlock-able system. As others have mentioned as well as myself something along the lines of 30 Gladiator and 20 Conjurer allows you to do a Advanced Job quest for Paladin. Which would then be its own job.

I know they're not going to but i definately wouldnt want to see them change the current classes,what with all the quest lines and all.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

Hehe. Maybe the reason they held back Musketeer is because they knew everyone would swamp Limsa otherwise. :p

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Not exactly. If they were worried about peoples choosing the same thing, they wouldn't add Miqo'tes to the game. As usually is the people preference.

Maybe the idea of the Musketeer class still too raw for a release.

Regards,
Llan Hana.

Personally, it makes more sense to me to focus in (specialization) on a 'job' than to advance up to said 'job'. What we have now in the broad base classes are the components necessary for job specialization. Specialization seems to fit into FFXIV better than advanced jobs. Some will disagree, but that is the way I see it.

I personaly am for an unlock system myself too, advanced jobs unlocked by doing the current ones up to a certain level.
The problem with such a system comes down to how to treat the weapons for them though at this point, unless you create a whole new class of weapons specificaly for the new job(which isnt too hard to do really)

Certain jobs kind of use weapons already in use so it seperates things a bit further, though im sure making weapons specificaly for them too, even if they are the same types wouldnt be too hard to do.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

I personaly am for an unlock system myself too, advanced jobs unlocked by doing the current ones up to a certain level.
The problem with such a system comes down to how to treat the weapons for them though at this point, unless you create a whole new class of weapons specificaly for the new job(which isnt too hard to do really)

Certain jobs kind of use weapons already in use so it seperates things a bit further, though im sure making weapons specificaly for them too, even if they are the same types wouldnt be too hard to do.

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The easiest answer is to have the Job class system be independent of the weapon class system and allow for users to equip any job class to any weapon class.

Just a thought, but perhaps we can have our cake and eat it too...

I for one, am for class specialization. I would like to play a Conjour and based off of the specialize system, turn my Conjour into a white mage, or a black mage. I think that would be a lot of fun. But that's not to say we can't also have "unlock-able classes/job - Advance jobs/classes".

I think that if done right, both systems would work well together. Why can't we have class specialization into Jobs and then down the line, add in quest lines that unlock other classes, or better yet unlock other specializations for that class. For example:
The conjour would have two paths, black mage, white mage.
After completing a quest the conjour could then upgrade their white mage path to white wizard. (Much like from Final Fantasy I) - Just a thought. And the same would be for the black mage.
Or, based off of your levels on specialization you could open up new paths on other classes... (But this might be way to complicated)

Anyway, I would like to see some type of specialization system within the class system, and that people could search and see you by your specialization which would give parties the roles they need to play.

I also hope that the interface for specializing in different jobs is pretty slick, something as pretty as the character creation system. ;)

I just don't like any idea that limits my choices. "Conjurer can be White Mage Or Black Mage" sounds great but right now any of the Weapon Classes can act like a White Mage or Black Mage with variously levels of effectiveness. Some might not be the best at it but that doesn't mean you should limit them from being able too.